Astro Career Center and "A Roadmap for Recruiting Medical Students into Radiation Oncology during a Period of Waning Interest"

[fiji128]

Most medical students aren't stupid and consider their career prospects when deciding on what specialty to pursue. With Astro coming up this is typical the heart of the recruiting/hiring season. There are probably 190 residents finishing residency this year in addition to all those board certified rad oncs that maybe looking to change positions. There are currently a total of 29 positions posted on the Astro Career Center today. The only road map you need as a medical student is the one that shows the bypass route around this specialty.

ASTRO Career Center Jobs on 10/05/2020 in Order of Posting


1) Derm/Rads with a staffing agency (The Villages, FL).
2) Rad Onc employed with Mercy Hospital (Joplin, MO).
2.5) Partnership track Rad Onc with West County Radiology Group, same job as above ? (Joplin, Mo).
3) Rad Onc community academic with Washington University (St. Louis area, MO).
4) Rad Onc private practice with Radiation Oncology Care (Portland, OR).
5) Rad Onc academic 60% clinical 40% research with Mass Gen (Boston, MA).
6) Rad Onc private practice covering a Sutter Health facility (30 miles from the Bay Area).
7) Rad Onc private practice with Cancer Care Specialists (Southern and Central IL).
8) Rad Onc private practice with Summit Medical Group (Metro NYC area in NJ).
9) Rad Onc private practice with Associated Medical Professionals (Central Upstate, NY).
10) Rad Onc community academic with West Virginia University (Elkins, WV).
11) Rad Onc academic with Medical College of Wisconsin (Milwaukee, WI).
12) Rad Onc community academic with UNC (Wake/Johnston County Division, NC).
13) Rad Onc academic with UNC (Chapel Hill, NC).
14) Rad Onc community academic with Medical College of South Carolina (Myrtle Beach, SC).
15) Rad Onc community academic with Brown University (Bristol, RI).
16) Rad Onc community academic with University of Pittsburgh (Western and Central Pennsylvania Region including Altoona, Erie, and Harrisburg, PA).
17) Rad Onc associate medial director 100% remote with EviCore (Anywhere, USA).
18) Uro/Rads with the Dattoli Cancer Center (Sarasota, FL).
19) Rad Onc private practice with Radiology Medical Group of Napa (Napa Valley, CA).
20) Uro/Rads with Regional Urology (Shreveport, LA).
21) Rad Onc private practice with Anova Cancer Center (Metro Denver, CO).
22) Rad Onc private practice with Southeast Radiation Oncology Group (Shelby, NC and Lancaster, SC ).
23) Rad Onc private practice with Watson Clinic (Central, FL).
24) Rad Onc hospital employed with Methodist Health System (Omaha, NE).
25) Rad Onc community academic with Allegheny Health Network (Erie, PA).
26) Rad Onc Chair at University of Oklahoma College of Medicine (Oklahoma City, OK).
27) Rad Onc academic with LSU Shreveport (Shreveport, LA).
28) Rad Onc private practice with Cancer Care Group (Oklahoma City, OK).
29) Rad Onc private practice with Cancer Care Group (Terre Haute, IN).

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[RickyScott]

Compared with other specialty job sites, this is horrible. When job market was better 7 years ago, didn’t Dan Golden state on SDN that he applied to 50 jobs and only had a handful of interviews? He doesn’t seem to see be aware of hypocrisy.

 

[deleted941485]

With all these MD-PhDs that were recruited into the specialty it’s so disappointing how little has been done

Innovation problems
Demand problems
Payor problems
Over Supply problems

There really isn’t an upside to the specialty at all.

Oh yeah and most of these jobs posted have been on and off the board for years

 

[thecarbonionangle]

i know the details about a couple of these jobs, they are fake news postings, already filled internally or know who they are hiring. around this time last yr there were more jobs posted.

 

[medgator]

Compared with other specialty job sites, this is horrible. When job market was better 7 years ago, didn’t Dan Golden state on SDN that he applied to 50 jobs and only had a handful of interviews? He doesn’t seem to see be aware of hypocrisy.

I think he only said 1-2 were in major metros that would work for his SO. Lucky him

 

[StIGMA]

i know the details about a couple of these jobs, they are fake news postings, already filled internally or know who they are hiring. around this time last yr there were more jobs posted.

I can confirm this for some of these as well.

 

[medgator]

i know the details about a couple of these jobs, they are fake news postings, already filled internally or know who they are hiring. around this time last yr there were more jobs posted.

A couple are flat out bad practices as well with a history of churn and burn

 

[RickyScott]

Irvine and Salina havent posted in a few months

 

[Haybrant]

Ya actually this posting board looks better than usual, it’s usually alot worse than even this. Waiting for those posters that say the majority of jobs are filled by word of mouth only not from the astro job board - never really bought into that argument, there’s no reason that would be so significantly more prevalent in rad onc than other fields

 

[RickyScott]

Ya actually this posting board looks better than usual, it’s usually alot worse than even this. Waiting for those posters that say the majority of jobs are filled by word of mouth only not from the astro job board - never really bought into that argument, there’s no reason that would be so significantly more prevalent in rad onc than other fields

Every reason to believe word of mouth jobs are less prevalent in radiation since majority of radoncs employed, often in large systems, that are required to post.

 

[fiji128]

This above list is illustrative the severely unbalanced supply and demand dynamics currently present in this field. When just about any decent job can be filled via word of mouth that further supports the demand for open position is vastly greater then supply. This is killing our specialty but Astro doesn't want to weigh in because some folks in the academic ivory towers might not like to admit to their poor stewardship of the field. Instead we get panels offering a "how to" on gaslighting medical students into rad onc, which is of course is utterly pointless if the root cause is not acknowledged/addressed.

 

[deleted941485]

This above list is illustrative the severely unbalanced supply and demand dynamics currently present in this field. When just about any decent job can be filled via word of mouth that further supports the demand for open position is vastly greater then supply. This is killing our specialty but Astro doesn't want to weigh in because some folks in the academic ivory towers might not like to admit to their poor stewardship of the field. Instead we get panels offering a "how to" on gaslighting medical students into rad onc, which is of course is utterly pointless if the root cause is not acknowledged/addressed.

There’s more moral outrage over giving a few more fxs of RT than about this.

 

[scarbrtj]

There’s more moral outrage over giving a few more fxs of RT than about this.

Ha. The moral outrage is crocodile teary ‘cause most academic centers I know of are giving 21 fractions to most post lumpectomy breast patients. And how much randomized data is there to directly support 21 fractions, versus several fractions less? Zero. But with APM presumably the Era of Fraction Outrage is ending.

That said there is a line in the APM final rule that says something like “Most physicians give 5-10 fractions for bone met patients when 1 fraction is proper.” Outrage plus lack of knowledge is a potent mix.

 

[deleted941485]

Ha. The moral outrage is crocodile teary ‘cause most academic centers I know of are giving 21 fractions to most post lumpectomy breast patients. And how much randomized data is there to directly support 21 fractions, versus several fractions less? Zero. But with APM presumably the Era of Fraction Outrage is ending.

That said there is a line in the APM final rule that says something like “Most physicians give 5-10 fractions for bone met patients when 1 fraction is proper.” Outrage plus lack of knowledge is a potent mix.

Outrage among uninformed is the hallmark of my entire experience in higher ED and Medicine. I guess Medicare is no different.

 

[Haybrant]

Outrage among uninformed is the hallmark of my entire experience in higher ED and Medicine. I guess Medicare is no different.

It’s funny it’s hard to fully comprehend the moral outrage crews until you are in the know enough to understand the full situation yourself which in medicine takes a long time. Is there more information about such a state, seems like it’s a phenomenon present is so many areas once you see it in your own (for example you just know Facebook has that group of people but that totally overlook the harm they cause When it’s helping their bottom line and run themselves into some funny circles) that you have to assume it’s something that’s well described and studied. Maybe it’s just called hypocrisy but it feels more like a psychiatric trait

 

[deleted941485]

My other question is why are they fretting over this? They still get their warm bodies just warm bodies who also need visa sponsorship and also the bottom barrel stateside grads.

 

[DebtRising]

Only weak applicants use a job posting site. All the best pgy-5 candidates get their jobs delivered by word of mouth into their email.

#radoncrocks

 

[elementaryschooleconomics]

When just about any decent job can be filled via word of mouth that further supports the demand for open position is vastly greater then supply.

What a great point.

We're led to believe medicine is a meritocracy and if you work hard you'll be rewarded.

When your job outlook depends on word of mouth, it comes down to luck and timing. You could be the best Radiation Oncologist on the planet but if the right attending didn't go to bat for you at the right time...sorry champ.

 

[Chartreuse Wombat]

What a great point.

We're led to believe medicine is a meritocracy and if you work hard you'll be rewarded.

When your job outlook depends on word of mouth, it comes down to luck and timing. You could be the best Radiation Oncologist on the planet but if the right attending didn't go to bat for you at the right time...sorry champ.

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

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If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

 

[elementaryschooleconomics]

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

I strongly agree with this sentiment - it just took me being steeped in academia for almost two decades to really internalize it, yet senior folks in academic medicine (or really, anywhere) continue to use it as a carrot to attract younger folks.

I guess to make my point without invoking the questionable term "meritocracy": talking with my friends and colleagues in other specialties (admittedly from the outside looking in), there's a hundred-fold higher dose of "luck" needed to get a job in Radiation Oncology. As I write this post I'm concurrently texting with my friend in a different specialty who absolutely cannot understand what it takes to get a job in RadOnc. We have this conversation every month or so - "who would have thought the job market in RadOnc could be so bad" is my favorite quote from him.

Who indeed?

 

[Lamount]

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

I agree with you from an ethical perspective... but pragmatically, it is human nature for the successful to believe their good fortune was earned, deserved, or ordained by G-d. Any brief instance of equality/equity is like an unstable equilibrium... sooner or later, a gust of wind will blow and gravity will do its work.

This tendency is only heightened in America in because of the promise of the "American dream". Those who are less fortunate are inclined to protect the country clubs for that intrepid day when they finally 'make it big'.

 

[Haybrant]

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

This isn’t really what’s up for debate though, no question this is something that’s important to know as real life info but the issue is and has been for a few years whether one should willingly enter the field knowing what those who are willing to be transparent provide to med students, it’s not like they have no option. And The answer is obvious, you can take the risk but you’ll be taking one of the biggest gambles w your future in all of medicine

 

[theradiator]

I strongly agree with this sentiment - it just took me being steeped in academia for almost two decades to really internalize it, yet senior folks in academic medicine (or really, anywhere) continue to use it as a carrot to attract younger folks.

I guess to make my point without invoking the questionable term "meritocracy": talking with my friends and colleagues in other specialties (admittedly from the outside looking in), there's a hundred-fold higher dose of "luck" needed to get a job in Radiation Oncology. As I write this post I'm concurrently texting with my friend in a different specialty who absolutely cannot understand what it takes to get a job in RadOnc. We have this conversation every month or so - "who would have thought the job market in RadOnc could be so bad" is my favorite quote from him.

Who indeed?

Sadly anyone who has been reading this Forum for the past several years!

 

[ramsesthenice]

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

So many issues here. It’s sad how far some people will go to deny the existence of anything external to themselves for fear it will somehow cheapen their egocentric vision of success. Look no further than all the old millionaires telling us they know what’s best for us because they worked so hard to get where they are...

In our field, I want to say hard work is necessary but not sufficient for success but even that is BS. A couple of the laziest residents I’ve worked with over the last 10 years landed the sweetest PP gigs in major metro areas. Luck can easily trump hard work.

 

[ramsesthenice]

A couple of the laziest residents I’ve worked with over the last 10 years landed the sweetest PP gigs in major metro areas. Luck can easily trump hard work.

I really should clarify that came off more harsh than it should have. I truly envy people who are completely immune to shame and political BS. You all know the kind I am talking about. Super smart people with a laser focus on the bottom line. They will always accomplish the minimum but almost never anything more. Its not a good look while in academics but as long as people come out competent at the end that is what really matters. Can make for very efficient and decent clinical partners (as long as the issue isn't truly laziness). My point was they did not pull them selves up from their boot straps or ever even pretend they did. Luck matters.

 

[deleted941485]

Perhaps off topic but since you brought it up.

Meritocracy is largely a myth that is perpetuated by those fortunate enough to "win" the birth lottery and then are fortunate to "succeed".

Hard work alone doesn't guarantee success. The sooner people understand this the better for all of us.

I bet that many will disagree with the statements above.

I recommend that you look into the issue and perhaps even read the following books.

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

Amazon product

If you don't have the time then a short primer can be found at the link below

The Insufferable Hubris of the Well-Credentialed

A four-year college degree has become necessary for dignified work. Michael Sandel says that’s a huge mistake.

www.chronicle.com

.

Money quote

Meritocratic hubris is the tendency of the successful to inhale too deeply of their success, to forget the luck and good fortune that helped them on their way. It goes along with the tendency to look down on those less fortunate, and less credentialed, than themselves.

Meritocracy is BS. Academics have been playing this mind game with students since the beginning of time. They need to make whatever it is they are doing seem exclusive. In rad onc, it’s even more of a joke. Literally have nothing to hold over you.

 

[thecarbonionangle]

We are the bed bath and beyond of specialties. We are begging you to consider us and will send you a 20 pct off coupon every single day!!!

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

One can see just how creative our leadership is based on the virtual locale of virtual ASTRO

Instead of Miami it's in virtual Miami?

Why not Mars, or

 

[radiaterMike]

... except they did not use the names of the Miami Convention Center halls but rather have a "T. J. Eichler Theater"
ugh

 

[Lamount]

To ask the obvious question that no one has asked... what are they supposed to? Does anyone honestly expect a complete freeze on residency recruitment?

 

[RickyScott]

To ask the obvious question that no one has asked... what are they supposed to? Does anyone honestly expect a complete freeze on residency recruitment?

I am going to keep raising this because 100% right here. Even with complete freeze, there will still be a large oversupply well into 2030s. Hole just keeps getting bigger the more you dig!
I don’t expect a complete freeze and it is certainly not medstudents problem as long as they avoid the field.

 

[thecarbonionangle]

a while back i went to Appalachia (save story for another day) and i ended up in a bar. An old man was there sipping on “the champaign of beers”. Eventually we got to talkin’ and i asked him after a few buttery nipples, what’s with all the incest around here? He took a big long pensive chug of his Don Perignon, and said “just folks getting by” in a very raspy voice. I think this is very applicable to rad onc. Many here wonder what is with all the screwing up with the field and leading it to doom? The answer folks, let me take a long sip of my purple drank: just folks getting by!

 

[elementaryschooleconomics]

a while back i went to Appalachia (save story for another day) and i ended up in a bar. An old man was there sipping on “the champaign of beers”. Eventually we got to talkin’ and i asked him after a few buttery nipples, what’s with all the incest around here? He took a big long pensive chug of his Don Perignon, and said “just folks getting by” in a very raspy voice. I think this is very applicable to rad onc. Many here wonder what is with all the screwing up with the field and leading it to doom? The answer folks, let me take a long sip of my purple drank: just folks getting by!

That old man sounds like a Silver Bullet of radical candor

 

[DebtRising]

To ask the obvious question that no one has asked... what are they supposed to? Does anyone honestly expect a complete freeze on residency recruitment?

I would hope that the senior physicians of this field could look out for the well being of medical students to junior faculty by realistically evaluating the data and on supply and demand and responsibly steward this field.

Instead the general landscape I see is willful ignorance of this and a more and more predatory approach because it benefits them over us.

 

[medgator]

To ask the obvious question that no one has asked... what are they supposed to? Does anyone honestly expect a complete freeze on residency recruitment?

Sure. Good way to bring Balance back to the force would be to match no one next year. That's exactly what happened in the 90s when they basically extended training for a year (same effect.... No one hit the job market that year)

This isn't something new. The job market has been crappy and terrible before. The difference is that the leadership then acknowledged the problem and tried to address it

 

[Radonc90]

OK,

So ASTRO 2020 meeting is 2 weeks away:

ASTRO 2020

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PS: My only gripe is as mentioned above, why not call something "Miami Virtual Convention Center" instead of "T. J. Eichler Theater"?
This is a meeting for all ASTRO members (and others), why call it John Doe Theater? They may as well call it RW theater lol...

 

[medgator]

Had a chance to read the description. Farking terrible

 

[fiji128]

Had a chance to read the description. Farking terrible

Wow that’s real head in the sand type stuff. Obviously a total waste of time. Is Astro really this clueless about why rad onc has become so toxic to medical students? It’s not direct exposure to med students, which is the same as it was 5 and 10 years ago.

To quote myself:

“Most medical students aren't stupid and consider their career prospects when deciding on what specialty to pursue.”

 

[RickyScott]

Hitting up/onundergrads is not a good look for the specialty. Has any specialty ever proposed something this creepy?

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

Had a chance to read the description. Farking terrible

it won't matter. med students apparently get it. that's why interest is waning. they're not saying "what's radonc?," they're saying "meh."

 

[DebtRising]

Wow that’s real head in the sand type stuff. Obviously a total waste of time. Is Astro really this clueless about why rad onc has become so toxic to medical students? It’s not direct exposure to med students, which is the same as it was 5 and 10 years ago.

To quote myself:

“Most medical students aren't stupid and consider their career prospects when deciding on what specialty to pursue.”

It’s not head in the sand. It’s deliberate looking out for their self interest. Older physicians / academic centers / professional society is benefited with more applicants, cheaper salaries, desperation of new graduates, and increased fellowship.

It’s in their best interest to exploit us relative to them for as much and as long as possible if the baseline assumption is that the ball is winding down for the whole field in the next decade or two. Not necessarily extinction mind you, but less indications, less fractions, less centers needed, bundled payment forced cuts, and yes, AI. There will be only a few that control this field due to logical changes in workflow and high capital entry costs, and their mission now is to take advantage of the other side as much as possible.

If you are ASTRO or a big academic center in a senior or leadership position, it only benefits you more to have more and more people interested because it’s more leverage and bargaining power while keeping the rewards more and more to yourself. ASTRO knows no credible alternative organization has been formed so more members is more $$.

And it’s all so infuriating because it does not have to be this way. Fields can work together to help all. People can strive to be treated equally, even in “privileged” professions like medicine. But that outreach has not happened in this field. Departments increase fellowship and residencies, hear the junior members of the field are stressed and getting worse and worse jobs, and respond by “oh geez we better start hooking them younger!”

What a joke

 

[Chartreuse Wombat]

I think this is a slight over simplification. Downward pressure on wages happens to all in the market. Academic institutions are not immune (except perhaps the 11 exempt hospitals). This reduction in wages has already started in some academic centers and COVID has accelerated this. Chairs can exploit for a period of time but eventually the bill comes due. We will all be working harder for less.

 

[thecarbonionangle]

I think this is a slight over simplification. Downward pressure on wages happens to all in the market. Academic institutions are not immune (except perhaps the 11 exempt hospitals). This reduction in wages has already started in some academic centers and COVID has accelerated this. Chairs can exploit for a period of time but eventually the bill comes due. We will all be working harder for less.

it will be “just be happy you have A job because there are 60 very eager applicants on my desk who would work for less and have three fellowships”

 

[DebtRising]

I think this is a slight over simplification. Downward pressure on wages happens to all in the market. Academic institutions are not immune (except perhaps the 11 exempt hospitals). This reduction in wages has already started in some academic centers and COVID has accelerated this. Chairs can exploit for a period of time but eventually the bill comes due. We will all be working harder for less.

Chairs have a shortened timeline working heavily in their favor. Hospital admins who own the machines have everything to gain in the aspects of economics they control. Admins will cycle through chairs and reward the individual for keeping the group “down”. The words can sound extreme but it really is that simple.

And “down” can be less pay, less benefits, less time, harder path to advancement, however you define it

Edit - thinking through this, I may have misunderstood your point. If your point is that “it’s not just academics” - then I totally agree. Replace chair with “ownership stake senior private partner” and the situation and benefit is the same.

 

[Chartreuse Wombat]

Chairs have a shortened timeline working heavily in their favor. Hospital admins who own the machines have everything to gain in the aspects of economics they control. Admins will cycle through chairs and reward the individual for keeping the group “down”. The words can sound extreme but it really is that simple.

And “down” can be less pay, less benefits, less time, harder path to advancement, however you define it

Edit - thinking through this, I may have misunderstood your point. If your point is that “it’s not just academics” - then I totally agree. Replace chair with “ownership stake senior private partner” and the situation and benefit is the same.

That was my point. Academic departments are not immune (except the 11 exempt hospitals)

 

[medgator]

Did anyone attend?

ASTRO 2020

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[elementaryschooleconomics]

Did anyone attend?

ASTRO 2020

plan.core-apps.com

I did, it was very tame and straight forward. It was basically a "how to and why" about faculty getting involved with the medical school curriculum and medical student mentorship. You could actually have replaced "Radiation Oncology" with most other specialties and the presentation would have still worked for the most part.

At the opening they brought up the other issues on a single slide (hypofrac, job market, reimbursement, etc) and said "these are also issues" but COMPLETELY stayed away from it. They also did acknowledge that the goal wasn't to flood programs with residency applications, but to give a deeper sense of RadOnc to future physicians in other specialties.

I felt like there was nothing controversial at all...maybe others have different opinions?

 

[deleted605854]

I did, it was very tame and straight forward. It was basically a "how to and why" about faculty getting involved with the medical school curriculum and medical student mentorship. You could actually have replaced "Radiation Oncology" with most other specialties and the presentation would have still worked for the most part.

At the opening they brought up the other issues on a single slide (hypofrac, job market, reimbursement, etc) and said "these are also issues" but COMPLETELY stayed away from it. They also did acknowledge that the goal wasn't to flood programs with residency applications, but to give a deeper sense of RadOnc to future physicians in other specialties.

I felt like there was nothing controversial at all...maybe others have different opinions?

Sounds toothless and as expected

 

[fiji128]

ASTRO Career Center Jobs on 11/16/2020 in Order of Posting.





1) Rad Onc part time private practice with strong possibility of becoming full time in the future with Radiation Oncology Associates (Arlington Heights, IL).
2) Rad Onc private practice with Associates in Radiation Medicine (Rockville, MD).
3) Rad Onc academic with City of Hope (Duarte, CA).
4) Rad Onc private practice with Radiation Oncology Group (Flint, MI).
5) Rad Onc part time private practice with possibility of becoming fulltime with The Permanente Medical Group (San Francisco Bay Area).
6) Uro/Rads private practice (Greater Philadelphia Area).
7) Rad Onc private practice with the Northwest Permanente (Portland, OR).
8) Derm/Rads with a staffing agency (The Villages, FL).
9) Rad Onc private practice with Cook Radiation Oncology (Chicago, IL).
10) Rad Onc academic with Columbia University (New York, NY).
11) Rad Onc associate medical director 100% remote with EviCore (Anywhere, USA).
12) Rad Onc with private practice Tanner Health System (Carrollton, GA).
13) Rad Onc community academic with MDACC (Jacksonville, FL).
14) Rad Onc with the VA (Cleveland, OH).
15) Rad Onc private practice with Inspire Oncology (Naples, FL).
16) Rad Onc community academic with University of Washington (Poulsbo, WA).
17) Rad Onc private practice with Advanced Radiation Oncology Associates (Bethlehem, PA).
18) Rad Onc academics with University of Washington (Seattle, WA).
19) Rad Onc private practice with Tampa Bay Radiation Oncology (Sun City Center, FL).
20) Rad Onc private practice with Whittier Oncology (Los Angeles, CA).
21) Rad Onc private practice with GenesisCare (Las Vegas, NV).
22) Derm/Rads part time with a confidential employer (Several Western States, NOS).
23) Rad Onc private practice with Central CT Radiation Oncology (Middletown, CT).
24) Rad Onc community academic with University of Pittsburgh (Western and Central Pennsylvania Region including Altoona, Erie, and Harrisburg, PA).
25) Rad Onc private practice with 21st Century Oncology (Corbin and London, KY).
26) Rad Onc private practice with US Oncology (Louisville, KY).
27) Rad Onc employed with Mercy Hospital (Joplin, MO).
28) Rad Onc private practice with Radiation Oncology Care (Portland, OR).
29) Rad Onc private practice with Summit Medical Group (Metro NYC area in NJ).
30) Rad Onc academic with Medical College of Wisconsin (Milwaukee, WI).
31) Rad Onc academic with UNC (Chapel Hill, NC).
32) Rad Onc community academic with Brown University (Bristol, RI).
33) Uro/Rads with the Dattoli Cancer Center (Sarasota, FL).
34) Rad Onc private practice with Charleston Radiation Therapy Consultants (Charleston, WV).
35) Rad Onc private practice with Watson Clinic (Central, FL).
36) Rad Onc hospital employed with Methodist Health System (Omaha, NE).
37) Rad Onc Chair at University of Oklahoma College of Medicine (Oklahoma City, OK).
38) Rad Onc community academic with Allegheny Health Network (Erie, PA).

 

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ASTRO Career Center Jobs on 11/16/2020 in Order of Posting.





1) Rad Onc part time private practice with strong possibility of becoming full time in the future with Radiation Oncology Associates (Arlington Heights, IL).
2) Rad Onc private practice with Associates in Radiation Medicine (Rockville, MD).
3) Rad Onc academic with City of Hope (Duarte, CA).
4) Rad Onc private practice with Radiation Oncology Group (Flint, MI).
5) Rad Onc part time private practice with possibility of becoming fulltime with The Permanente Medical Group (San Francisco Bay Area).
6) Uro/Rads private practice (Greater Philadelphia Area).
7) Rad Onc private practice with the Northwest Permanente (Portland, OR).
8) Derm/Rads with a staffing agency (The Villages, FL).
9) Rad Onc private practice with Cook Radiation Oncology (Chicago, IL).
10) Rad Onc academic with Columbia University (New York, NY).
11) Rad Onc associate medical director 100% remote with EviCore (Anywhere, USA).
12) Rad Onc with private practice Tanner Health System (Carrollton, GA).
13) Rad Onc community academic with MDACC (Jacksonville, FL).
14) Rad Onc with the VA (Cleveland, OH).
15) Rad Onc private practice with Inspire Oncology (Naples, FL).
16) Rad Onc community academic with University of Washington (Poulsbo, WA).
17) Rad Onc private practice with Advanced Radiation Oncology Associates (Bethlehem, PA).
18) Rad Onc academics with University of Washington (Seattle, WA).
19) Rad Onc private practice with Tampa Bay Radiation Oncology (Sun City Center, FL).
20) Rad Onc private practice with Whittier Oncology (Los Angeles, CA).
21) Rad Onc private practice with GenesisCare (Las Vegas, NV).
22) Derm/Rads part time with a confidential employer (Several Western States, NOS).
23) Rad Onc private practice with Central CT Radiation Oncology (Middletown, CT).
24) Rad Onc community academic with University of Pittsburgh (Western and Central Pennsylvania Region including Altoona, Erie, and Harrisburg, PA).
25) Rad Onc private practice with 21st Century Oncology (Corbin and London, KY).
26) Rad Onc private practice with US Oncology (Louisville, KY).
27) Rad Onc employed with Mercy Hospital (Joplin, MO).
28) Rad Onc private practice with Radiation Oncology Care (Portland, OR).
29) Rad Onc private practice with Summit Medical Group (Metro NYC area in NJ).
30) Rad Onc academic with Medical College of Wisconsin (Milwaukee, WI).
31) Rad Onc academic with UNC (Chapel Hill, NC).
32) Rad Onc community academic with Brown University (Bristol, RI).
33) Uro/Rads with the Dattoli Cancer Center (Sarasota, FL).
34) Rad Onc private practice with Charleston Radiation Therapy Consultants (Charleston, WV).
35) Rad Onc private practice with Watson Clinic (Central, FL).
36) Rad Onc hospital employed with Methodist Health System (Omaha, NE).
37) Rad Onc Chair at University of Oklahoma College of Medicine (Oklahoma City, OK).
38) Rad Onc community academic with Allegheny Health Network (Erie, PA).

I know of several PGY5s who have signed and some of the jobs were not posted on ASTRO. Others were though