At what point do numbers stop mattering?

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[libertyyne]

The application process is so comprehensive and admissions offices look at so much more than just your numbers now, so at what point do they really stop mattering? So many people here talk about numbers like their "LizzyM" score like they're some magical key to getting into schools, but I personally don't see any usefulness in numbers like that. If your stats are higher than a school's 10th percentiles, then it might be worthwhile to apply there. Most admissions people are older and the majority probably don't even know what things like that are, let alone use them as part of the admissions process.

1. It's kinda offensive that you think older adcoms don't have a way of evaluating numbers in their rubric. This is factually disproven when you look at matriculant medians for schools as they tend to stay relatively stable without wide variations one would expect if it was random.
If you have scores greater than 10th percentiles you are literally within the lizzyM range for those schools. Also lizzyM helps if there are variations between mcat and GPA. Say your GPS is lower than the schools 10th percentile yet your mcat is above their 80th . LizzyM gives a meaningful way to see if they may still look at your app. Do you honestly think adcoms have no sophistication in the way they look at these factors?

Also even if adcoms are not talking about lizzyM scores by talking about numbers they are in function talking about the same thing.

Numbers tend to get you the II provided there isn't any red flags or any other green flags like urm or veteran.

Once you interview that's when numbers probably matter less.

BTW, Numbers will never stop step scores class rank and such.

 

[RogueBanana]

Numbers stop mattering the second you walk into your interview and say something stupid.
If they invite you for an II, then you meet their number criteria.
The interview is to see if they can deal with being around you for the next 4+ years

 

[LuluLovesMe]

Numbers start mattering less at GPA >3.8 or MCAT >520

 

[Goro]

Just how stupid do you think we are?

The application process is so comprehensive and admissions offices look at so much more than just your numbers now, so at what point do they really stop mattering? So many people here talk about numbers like their "LizzyM" score like they're some magical key to getting into schools, but I personally don't see any usefulness in numbers like that. If your stats are higher than a school's 10th percentiles, then it might be worthwhile to apply there. Most admissions people are older and the majority probably don't even know what things like that are, let alone use them as part of the admissions process.

 

[Lucca]

Depends on the school. For Penn and WashU? Probably never. For other places? Maybe after LizzyM 70

 

[Hospitalized]

The application process is so comprehensive and admissions offices look at so much more than just your numbers now, so at what point do they really stop mattering? So many people here talk about numbers like their "LizzyM" score like they're some magical key to getting into schools, but I personally don't see any usefulness in numbers like that. If your stats are higher than a school's 10th percentiles, then it might be worthwhile to apply there. Most admissions people are older and the majority probably don't even know what things like that are, let alone use them as part of the admissions process.

Did you just suggest that "older" admissions people don't know how to evaluate the two basic metrics of a student's academic capability?

 

[Dr. Jan Itor]

Just because adcoms might not call it "LizzyM" doesn't mean they don't look at the numbers.


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[skrolls]

Just how stupid do you think we are?

Just how stupid do you think we are?

Meh,

 

[skrolls]

Did you just suggest that "older" admissions people don't know how to evaluate the two basic metrics of a student's academic capability?

Not really,

 

[skrolls]

1. It's kinda offensive that you think older adcoms don't have a way of evaluating numbers in their rubric. This is factually disproven when you look at matriculant medians for schools as they tend to stay relatively stable without wide variations one would expect if it was random.
If you have scores greater than 10th percentiles you are literally within the LizzyM range for those schools. Also lizzyM helps if there are variations between mcat and GPA. Say your GPS is lower than the schools 10th percentile yet your mcat is above their 80th . LizzyM gives a meaningful way to see if they may still look at your app. Do you honestly think adcoms have no sophistication in the way they look at these factors?

Also even if adcoms are not talking about lizzyM scores by talking about numbers they are in function talking about the same thing.

Numbers tend to get you the II provided there isn't any red flags or any other green flags like urm or veteran.

Once you interview that's when numbers probably matter less.

BTW, Numbers will never stop step scores class rank and such.

Eh, you'll never know who I am.

 

[Hospitalized]

It's okay to have questions about the process, seriously. Just present them in a way that is easy to answer and not offensive.

 

[mcatjelly]

At my school, your app generates a certain number of points and stats factor into those points. So.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Just how stupid do you think we are?

Well Goro you are an old dude...so...

 

[ChrisMack390]

"Most admissions people are older and the majority probably don't even know what things like that are, let alone use them as part of the admissions process."


You don't think a physician (or PHD or nurse or MA-Edu) can look at 2 numbers and compare them to other people's 2 numbers? Whether or not they choose to multiply by 10 and add them together is completely irrelevant.

 

[Dagrimsta1]

Just because adcoms might not call it "LizzyM" doesn't mean they don't look at the numbers.


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That's interesting, do adcoms look at the lizzyM scores of applicants?

 

[wizzed101]

About 6.4

 

[DameJulie]

Depends on the school. For Penn and WashU? Probably never. For other places? Maybe after LizzyM 70

Could you elaborate on Penn and WashU?

 

[skrolls]

It's okay to have questions about the process, seriously. Just present them in a way that is easy to answer and not offensive.

Meh,

 

[Lucca]

Could you elaborate on Penn and WashU?

Was just referring to them and other schools with median numbers in the 95-th %ile and above range. At those numbers, brings 4.0/40+ candidate might make a difference over being a 3.8/35 candidate. We call these schools "number ******"

 

[libertyyne]

Eh, you'll never know who I am.

Don't worry buddy, I am an expert haxor here is some footage of me at work. I already know who you are where you live and what your amcas id is

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Eh, you'll never know who I am.

And no one cares who you are. It's just the Internet. And your OP was quoted, so I'm not sure why you bothered erasing it.

 

[MustBeTrue]

Not even worth it

 

[skrolls]

And no one cares who you are. It's just the Internet. And your OP was quoted, so I'm not sure why you bothered erasing it.

Because I can.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Because I can.

Do you, booboo.