Authorship vs. Getting mentioned

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May anybody explain what the difference is between these two? The lab I'm currently at is going to give someone authorship and others mentions, so I wanted to know if there was any major difference, or if it was just that one gets mentioned and one gets authorship.

Thanks.
 
Its a HUGE difference and one that I have unfortunate experience with.

Authorship means that your name will actually be listed as one of the authors, which is searchable in any publication database. What order you are in will depend on your contribution and the ego of the PI, but it is much more impressive.


Getting mentioned means that there will be some tiny type 4 font, usually at the end of the article which says something like, "The authors would like to thank boxasaurus for his contributions to this work by picking up our laundry and washing the glassware."

Students need to be aware that a lot of trickery goes on in labs; PIs know that your goal is often publication to improve your CV, your chances at medical school, etc. The trouble is, that sometimes they have no interest in helping you do that or for whatever reason, so they "stretch the truth" and tell you, "you'll be on the article" or use other such vague comments. You need to be specific about what that means for you, and accept whatever it is, depending on your goals. They rely on your cheap labor.

In case it wasn't obvious, I spent years in a certain Neuroscience lab, only to come out with a couple of measly pubs, and of course, many many "mentions of gratitude". At the end, the current Neurology fellow was so disgusted by what he saw, that he actually apologized to me and told me how embarassed he was to be associated with them, even if the issues had long been a problem before his arrival. And it wasn't just me; this happened to many friends of mine, all over the country.

So yes, the two terms are totally different.
 
Authorship usually refers to being listed at the top of the article, and implies that you made significant intellectual contribution to the project. On primary research articles, authors are in order of the importance of their contributions, so first author contributed the most, then second author, etc. Last author is the PI, who funded the study and is usually given credit for the idea if it ends up being Nobel-worthy.

Being mentioned probably means that the person will be listed at the end of the article under 'Acknowledgements.' This implies some sort of role in the project but not significant intellectual contribution, and from what I've seen can be given to anyone from a spouse as a sort of dedication to a lab tech who did almost all of the experiments but was not responsible for the intellectual decisions behind them. Just my understanding of it, hope that helps!
 
Its a HUGE difference and one that I have unfortunate experience with.

Authorship means that your name will actually be listed as one of the authors, which is searchable in any publication database. What order you are in will depend on your contribution and the ego of the PI, but it is much more impressive.


Getting mentioned means that there will be some tiny type 4 font, usually at the end of the article which says something like, "The authors would like to thank boxasaurus for his contributions to this work by picking up our laundry and washing the glassware."

Students need to be aware that a lot of trickery goes on in labs; PIs know that your goal is often publication to improve your CV, your chances at medical school, etc. The trouble is, that sometimes they have no interest in helping you do that or for whatever reason, so they "stretch the truth" and tell you, "you'll be on the article" or use other such vague comments. You need to be specific about what that means for you, and accept whatever it is, depending on your goals. They rely on your cheap labor.

In case it wasn't obvious, I spent years in a certain Neuroscience lab, only to come out with a couple of measly pubs, and of course, many many "mentions of gratitude". At the end, the current Neurology fellow was so disgusted by what he saw, that he actually apologized to me and told me how embarassed he was to be associated with them, even if the issues had long been a problem before his arrival. And it wasn't just me; this happened to many friends of mine, all over the country.

So yes, the two terms are totally different.

Is the mention the same as the Acknowledgements section?
 
Is the mention the same as the Acknowledgements section?

I'm pretty sure it is. Here's an excerpt of the Acknowledgements from the most recent article in nature. Has the same phrasing that Winged alluded to, and I've never seen or heard of any other form of 'mentioning' someone in an article in anything I've read..

Acknowledgements
We would like to thank XXXXX and members of his laboratory for their technical support and suggestions. We would also like to thank XXXXX and XXXXX for their comments on the manuscript. This research was supported by National Institutes of Health (NIH) grants XXXXXXXX and the XXXXXX Trust.

source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23263185
 
Yep in cases I am familiar with.

Do you know how beneficial an authorship is? I'm deciding whether I should continue helping because I feel as though the amount of time I put in will negatively affect my gpa and sanity.
 
Do you know how beneficial an authorship is? I'm deciding whether I should continue helping because I feel as though the amount of time I put in will negatively affect my gpa and sanity.

Depends:

1) where you are in the pecking order; ie, first, second or 43rd (not unusual in a large multi-center trial);

2) what you are published in; NEJM? Great. Joe's Biochem Journal? Not so much.

3) what your goals are.

Real publications are not necessary to get into medical school or residency. Do it because you enjoy it; do it because you can get some money and be published. But if its taking its toll on your gpa and your health/sanity, its not worth it IMHO.
 
Depends:

1) where you are in the pecking order; ie, first, second or 43rd (not unusual in a large multi-center trial);

2) what you are published in; NEJM? Great. Joe's Biochem Journal? Not so much.

3) what your goals are.

Real publications are not necessary to get into medical school or residency. Do it because you enjoy it; do it because you can get some money and be published. But if its taking its toll on your gpa and your health/sanity, its not worth it IMHO.

Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it 🙂
 
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