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Hey guys,

Do you know of any post bacc programs or minority programs that give an automatic acceptance into medical school?

I know Wake Forest has one, but there has to be more.
 
What a horrible thread.. I hate minorities like you that make the rest look bad. Why do you think you deserve a shortcut?
 
JAMP

For Texan residents.
You have to have MCAT at least 21, and gpa I think 3.2.
+ Pell grant is requirement.
 
msa786 said:
Hey guys,

Do you know of any post bacc programs or minority programs that give an automatic acceptance into medical school?

I know Wake Forest has one, but there has to be more.
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I doubt you would want an automatic acceptance. You would never live it down.
 
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Physio Doc 2 Be said:
Why? Once you matriculate it doesn't matter how you got there. Everyone is in the same place, which is to say the bottom of the poo pile.
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yeah, i'm willing to bet that anyone on SDN would take an automatic acceptance rather than having to go through the uncertain med school application process
 
msa786 said:
Hey guys,

Do you know of any post bacc programs or minority programs that give an automatic acceptance into medical school?

I know Wake Forest has one, but there has to be more.
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MSU's ABLE program is specifically for disadvantaged students who, upon meeting the minimum requirements of the program, are automatically enrolled in the following year's med school class.

http://mdadmissions.msu.edu/main/able.htm
 
Jamp is the most obnoxious program available. Not only is it politically incorrect but it undermines the medical field. I understand the financial aid, and I understand people getting help because well not all of us have had the same playing field. But to level that playing field by lowering scores (21 MCAT and 3.2 GPA)?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?

Give the disadvantage kids money and help them out NOT guarantee them a spot in medical school! I know Jampers and they're all nice and everything but seriously this is ridiculous. By associating financial disadvantage kids with low scores basically means that you think poor people are stupid which of course is anything but true!

Jamp needs to be canceled (so that kids who really work for it can get into medical school)😡
 
I knew of someone at my undergrad who was in a similar program...

Super minimal requirements (3.0/24, I think) to get a free seat in med school.... I do not believe they made the MCAT requirement, after two attempts.

I agree that something ought to be done to level the playing field, but lowering MCAT and GPA expectations that significantly isn't something I agree with either.
 
BranMed said:
Jamp is the most obnoxious program available. Not only is it politically incorrect but it undermines the medical field. I understand the financial aid, and I understand people getting help because well not all of us have had the same playing field. But to level that playing field by lowering scores (21 MCAT and 3.2 GPA)?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?

Give the disadvantage kids money and help them out NOT guarantee them a spot in medical school! I know Jampers and they're all nice and everything but seriously this is ridiculous. By associating financial disadvantage kids with low scores basically means that you think poor people are stupid which of course is anything but true!

Jamp needs to be canceled (so that kids who really work for it can get into medical school)😡
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I understand your frustration, but I think that their scores are generally significantly higher than those "minimum requirements." Also, not sure where the other person got 21 as a minimum MCAT score, but the "minimum MCAT" as told to me by a friend who was in the program and as confirmed by their website is "acceptable for admission to a school." So, while that is quite broad and could very likely include some 21s, it is not saying they all get a 21 and sail into med school. They are required to take a KAPLAN class, also. I couldn't find overall average stats, but for the ones at TAMU SOM they had an average GPA of 3.74 and average MCAT of 27.75. So, while yes this is SLIGHTLY lower of an MCAT (right at average for GPA) for TAMU SOM matriculants, it is not significantly different. Most of these kids are working their butts off right along with you and getting into a school they deserve.

So, whether it's right or wrong as a program is likely going to be debated as long as they are around, but they aren't really all that different from other applicants. I also say this from a stand point of at one point being quite frustrated when said friend with similar stats as me (actually slightly lower) matriculated at a great school and I had to re-apply. So, I'm not debating that this program is great or fair, only making sure the real facts get out there. She worked very, very hard in school and deserved her acceptance.
 
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Its interesting, I have heard of one program. While I was doing research at my school, they had a girl from a different college working in our Lab. The school she came from had some sort of partnership with Brown University. Apparently, all she had to do was graduate from her school with above a 3.8, and she would automatically be given an acceptance to Brown Medical without taking the MCAT. Yes she was URM and yes her school was very small school with a large demographic for select minorities.
 
BranMed said:
Jamp is the most obnoxious program available. Not only is it politically incorrect but it undermines the medical field. I understand the financial aid, and I understand people getting help because well not all of us have had the same playing field. But to level that playing field by lowering scores (21 MCAT and 3.2 GPA)?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?

Give the disadvantage kids money and help them out NOT guarantee them a spot in medical school! I know Jampers and they're all nice and everything but seriously this is ridiculous. By associating financial disadvantage kids with low scores basically means that you think poor people are stupid which of course is anything but true!

Jamp needs to be canceled (so that kids who really work for it can get into medical school)😡
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Disagree with the statement that I bolded. It's been shown again and again that low-income young people regardless of intelligence consistently perform poorly on standardized tests. It's not a lack of intelligence, it's a lack of preparation, and preparation is a significant factor in performing well on a standardized test. That's not to say that you don't have to be intelligent to perform well (you do) but you also have to be well prepared. That's particularly true on the MCAT, and adequate preparation is much more difficult for financially disadvantaged students.
 
So, what happens when it comes to taking the boards? Are these individuals granted leniency in obtaining residency spots?
 
TheMightySmiter said:
Disagree with the statement that I bolded. It's been shown again and again that low-income young people regardless of intelligence consistently perform poorly on standardized tests. It's not a lack of intelligence, it's a lack of preparation, and preparation is a significant factor in performing well on a standardized test. That's not to say that you don't have to be intelligent to perform well (you do) but you also have to be well prepared. That's particularly true on the MCAT, and adequate preparation is much more difficult for financially disadvantaged students.
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But isn't the entire point of medicine preparation of knowledge so you can practice effectively? How can you quantify that someone has the ability to think and retain information w/o a test everyone takes?

My point is that shouldn't everyone be held to the same standard, becuase the standard for patient care needs to be consistent among whomever is practicing.
 
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I am kind of disappointed in some of the above statements. It is a fact that the amount of urm doctors does not reflect the diversity of the population. I am a urm I dropped out of hs i am a woman not raised at home etc etc . If the field was leveled maybe there would have been different opportunities available to me I never said to myself oh I do not have to try because I am a minority....but I did say my 7 in verbal 3 times will be acceptable for me to get a seat
 
link2swim06 said:
But isn't the entire point of medicine preparation of knowledge so you can practice effectively? How can you quantify that someone has the ability to think and retain information w/o a test everyone takes?

My point is that shouldn't everyone be held to the same standard, because the standard for patient care needs to be consistent among whomever is practicing.
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The MCAT does not reflect your abilities in patient care nor medical practice.
I am sure that once those people are in medical school they are expected to achieve the same amount.

How is anyone going to know how how they got accepted?

In theory all medical schools provide the SAME preparation for the boards, which can not be said for all schools and prep for the MCAT.
 
Whether or not you think it's right for schools to have auto acceptance programs for minorities, why would you front on someone from choosing that avenue? Getting into medical school is tough for anyone. What's wrong with taking a guaranteed option?
 
sassilysweet said:
The MCAT does not reflect your abilities in patient care nor medical practice.
I am sure that once those people are in medical school they are expected to achieve the same amount.

How is anyone going to know how how they got accepted?

In theory all medical schools provide the SAME preparation for the boards, which can not be said for all schools and prep for the MCAT.
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I guess my point is what will change in medical school that will let low scoring people to suddenly catch up. Also isn't the entire point of the MCAT to predict medical school performance?
 
Give the disadvantage kids money and help them out NOT guarantee them a spot in medical school! I know Jampers and they're all nice and everything but seriously this is ridiculous. By associating financial disadvantage kids with low scores basically means that you think poor people are stupid which of course is anything but true! Jamp needs to be canceled (so that kids who really work for it can get into medical school):mad:[/QUOTE said:
It's not that they're saying the disadvantaged kids are stupider. they're acknowledging the fact that DISADVANTAGED KIDS CANT AFFORD THE $1200 KAPLAN COURSES OR THE $50,000 TUITION FOR AT THAT PRIVATE SCHOOL WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE YOU AND YOUR 10 OTHER CLASSMATES SUCCEED....
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ahmede19 said:
What a horrible thread.. I hate minorities like you that make the rest look bad. Why do you think you deserve a shortcut?
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Do you know something you didn't demonstrate to anyone else? If not, that's awful!! I'm a truly "disadvantaged" student who isn't considered to be marginalized by race, but grew up poor, and I believe that those who have had exceptionally difficult circumstances deserve slightly different recognition. That said, I'm irritated when ANYONE who doesn't have a 3.5, or a 35+ MCAT, or a first-author publication, or SOMETHING, gets special consideration when applying to medical school. Colleges give so much to disadvantaged students (well, not so much those of us who are returning at 30, but most...) that there's no excuse for less than excellent performance in SOME aspect of undergrad...
 
I'm not in JAMP, but i have 3 good friends that are. The MCAT score requirement is not a 21, its a 24; and they need a 7 or above in each section too. Also, JAMP is a really competitive program to get into, so the students are def. not "stupid". Of those three friends i mentioned, two of them scored flat 30's and the other scored a 32... very average for med school matriculants.

To the OP: Texas has other similar conditional acceptance programs other than Jamp. UTMB has MSEMP, UTHSCSA has FASTS, and Baylor has PHC. All are very competitive programs designed to facilitate acceptance to superior students. You do NOT need to be a minority/poor for MSEMP, FASTS, or PHC... so idk why people are complaining about these programs being unfair. Everyone is eligible.
 
That was an unnecessary comment, it doesn't matter if the starter of this thread is a minority or what, you cannot judge because you do not know that person's situation. I hope you aren't trying to become a doctor, are you going to reject your patients who are looking for a shortcut in payment because they cannot afford it but really need medical help? Think about that for a second!
 
ahmede19 said:
What a horrible thread.. I hate minorities like you that make the rest look bad. Why do you think you deserve a shortcut?
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That was an unnecessary comment, it doesn't matter if the starter of this thread is a minority or what, you cannot judge because you do not know that person's situation. I hope you aren't trying to become a doctor, are you going to reject your patients who are looking for a shortcut in payment because they cannot afford it but really need medical help? Think about that for a second!
 
faith2 said:
I am kind of disappointed in some of the above statements. It is a fact that the amount of urm doctors does not reflect the diversity of the population. I am a urm I dropped out of hs i am a woman not raised at home etc etc . If the field was leveled maybe there would have been different opportunities available to me I never said to myself oh I do not have to try because I am a minority....but I did say my 7 in verbal 3 times will be acceptable for me to get a seat
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Explains the 7 I suppose...
 
Mr Rehab said:
That was an unnecessary comment, it doesn't matter if the starter of this thread is a minority or what, you cannot judge because you do not know that person's situation. I hope you aren't trying to become a doctor, are you going to reject your patients who are looking for a shortcut in payment because they cannot afford it but really need medical help? Think about that for a second!
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Oh dear god we have a future EM doc!
 
There's a program at Ohio State, but my understanding is that it's invite-only and invitations only go out to students who first apply through the normal process.

http://medicine.osu.edu/students/diversity/Programs/medpath/Pages/index.aspx is the link for information on it.

Some people in this thread seem quite upset that such things exist, but the students I know who went through the program are all nice, intelligent individuals and appear to be doing well in school. Never heard anyone at the school complain about it though.

For further listings, I'd assume the poster who listed p.5 of the MSAR above probably referred you to a correct location (no longer have a copy).
 
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BranMed said:
Jamp is the most obnoxious program available. Not only is it politically incorrect but it undermines the medical field. I understand the financial aid, and I understand people getting help because well not all of us have had the same playing field. But to level that playing field by lowering scores (21 MCAT and 3.2 GPA)?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?

Give the disadvantage kids money and help them out NOT guarantee them a spot in medical school! I know Jampers and they're all nice and everything but seriously this is ridiculous. By associating financial disadvantage kids with low scores basically means that you think poor people are stupid which of course is anything but true!

Jamp needs to be canceled (so that kids who really work for it can get into medical school)😡
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For startes let me start of by saying that I am a "disadvantage student" and there is about 6 or seven JAMPers on my campus and you know what pisses me off the most... most of these kids drive new Cadillacs, jeeps, and luxury cars. the girls in the JAMP program all have designer handbags and walk around the bio dept like theyre big s**t. Im 20 yrs old working 2 jobs and going to school full time just to help out my family at home. I applied to the JAMP program and did not even get an interview, with my FAFSA saying I need all the financial help I can get, and a 3.8 GPA. The saddest part is that even now that they have been blessed with belonging to this program they are the worst college students you can possibly find. I have alot of them for classes and most of the time theyre sucking up to profs or cheating. come on where are the ethics there. I know most of them took their MCATS this month and theyre all complaining about the crappy 24 that they have to score. Im taking the same Kaplan class they took and Im getting scores in the 30's. Its sad that this program instead of helping harms them, and most of the times if they dont get their score they are kicked out, or get into theyre last choice. now that i think about it im glad im not in... i want to have a say so about where I get into med school. my GPA is still in the 3.8 and im good. 😀
 
Grand said:
JAMP

For Texan residents.
You have to have MCAT at least 21, and gpa I think 3.2.
+ Pell grant is requirement.
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Wrong!!!! You have to gave an MCAT of 23+ and a gpa of 3.25. Check the site. I'm too lazy to post the link.
 
Necro thread. Start a new discussion if you're going to, but replying to people who posted 2 years ago = not WINNING
 
msa786 said:
Hey guys,

Do you know of any post bacc programs or minority programs that give an automatic acceptance into medical school?

I know Wake Forest has one, but there has to be more.
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The University of Colorado has (or had two years ago) a program like this. I worked with a girl from S. Africa who applied, didn't get in, and then was offered this post-bacc position designed for minorities. As long as she kept her gpa up (something like a 3.5), she would automatically be enrolled at the med school.
 
UNM BA/MD program requires you to have a 22/3.0 at the end of the BA.

One kid scored a 21. They let him stay in anyway. A 21.

21.

<facepalm>


EDIT: USMLE=the great equalizer?
 
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