Average RN salary = 80k

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My wife is a nurse and this article is complete bull****. They don't make anywhere near this much (on average). That's like best case locums nursing average.

They definitely deserve this much though. Don't bash nurses. They will save your patients lives.

and your ass

 

[Psai]

The conversations about people "deserving" a certain salary in any profession confuses the hell out of me.

Compensation is not dictated by difficulty of work or even years of education; compensation is a simple result of supply and demand. Output must justify the input in any business, and the revenue nurses generate says they're worth what they're paid.

Sorry but the real world doesn't work like a microeconomics 101 class

 

[goodlord123]

Sorry but the real world doesn't work like a microeconomics 101 class

Absolutely. But someone (employer) decides how much value each employee provides (via the work they do) and then try's to pay the minimum amount possible to maintain that value provided. What people deserve has very little to do with it.


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[Azete]

Sorry but the real world doesn't work like a microeconomics 101 class

Oh ok, my 10 years working in finance must have been an illusion. Jesus, now I don't know what's real and what isn't.

 

[goodlord123]

Oh ok, my 10 years working in finance must have been an illusion. Jesus, now I don't know what's real and what isn't.

I mean, calm down dude. 10 years in finance is like MAYBE microecon 102. And the world doesn't work like microecon 102 haha jk jk


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[Goro]

Just noticed this post, Psai.

There's enough jealousy and resentment of nurses here on SDN as well. I think the ire is better saved for Big Pharma.

RNs are not midlevels. And we don't resent midlevels. You have it backwards

 

[psychMDhopefully]

The conversations about people "deserving" a certain salary in any profession confuses the hell out of me.

Compensation is not dictated by difficulty of work or even years of education; compensation is a simple result of supply and demand. Output must justify the input in any business, and the revenue nurses generate says they're worth what they're paid.

So primary care docs are in great demand, but still paid like crap relative to other physicians, why isn't their pay soaring? Which brings me to my next point, is there really a great need for more primary care "providers"? System seems to me making due with NPs and PAs.

 

[goodlord123]

So primary care docs are in great demand, but still paid like crap relative to other physicians, why isn't their pay soaring? Which brings me to my next point, is there really a great need for more primary care "providers"? System seems to me making due with NPs and PAs.

Doctors are a bit more complicated in my opinion due to the multiple layers in which they have to go through administratively to get paid. But, where is the demand greatest for primary care docs? Rural areas (generally) and where do primary care docs get paid by far the most? Rural area. Doctors being primarily not salaried and not being paid by their customers (patients) but instead by insurance and the gov. Have a more regulated market, but in areas of greater demand, they often do get paid more.


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[Psai]

Oh ok, my 10 years working in finance must have been an illusion. Jesus, now I don't know what's real and what isn't.

Yeah that excel and powerpoint training will sure come in handy when understanding anything about how health care workers get paid oh wait

 

[Azete]

Yeah that excel and powerpoint training will sure come in handy when understanding anything about how health care workers get paid oh wait

Yeah man, spreadsheets all day. I'm surprised I can even figure out how to read a forum thread, this internet machine is hard.

 

[Azete]

So primary care docs are in great demand, but still paid like crap relative to other physicians, why isn't their pay soaring? Which brings me to my next point, is there really a great need for more primary care "providers"? System seems to me making due with NPs and PAs.

1) Revenue per patient
2) In high demand areas some PCPs do make significantly more than urban specialists. See rural Arkansas for example.

 

[giantswing]

Work as a nurse for a month. Don't just look at the supposedly all-inclusive job description and think you can suddenly be the judge of their monetary worth. Work a 12 hour night shift and then the 12 hour day shift because the retirement home is short staffed and the first shift nurse is puking her guts out at home and if you don't cover for her there won't be a first shift nurse to take care of your patients. Deal with patients who are literally trying to assault you in the behavioral health unit because they are hallucinating and haven't been taking their medications due to financial restrictions. You work under the "holier-than-thou" doctors who have their nose to the ceiling and couldn't care less that you just worked your ass off trying to do damage control on their patient, who then blame and ridicule you for intruding upon their sacred time even though they are the on-call doctor anyway. You be the case manager for hospice where you are given patients who are GOING TO DIE under your care, where you give them comfort in their final, agonizing days, tell their families that their loved one is declining faster than expected, and go to funeral after funeral for people you grew to love as you watched them die.

Do that, and then tell me nurses aren't worth their weight in gold. I dare you.

Lazy nurses, not that you are one, are not worth the toilet paper they use. Good nurses, few and far between where i am, are worth their weight in gold.

 

[jl lin]

Lazy nurses, not that you are one, are not worth the toilet paper they use. Good nurses, few and far between where i am, are worth their weight in gold.

Trust me, as an RN, especially in CC, I will tell you that many of us loathe working with lazy nurses--that includes those that are lazy with their brains as well.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

My wife is a nurse and this article is complete bull****. They don't make anywhere near this much (on average). That's like best case locums nursing average.

They definitely deserve this much though. Don't bash nurses. They will save your patients lives.

Agreed. In my area they are between $25-$30/hour. 36 hour weeks for 48 weeks still only gets you just shy of 52k.

 

[dadaddadaBATMAN]

Work as a nurse for a month. Don't just look at the supposedly all-inclusive job description and think you can suddenly be the judge of their monetary worth. Work a 12 hour night shift and then the 12 hour day shift because the retirement home is short staffed and the first shift nurse is puking her guts out at home and if you don't cover for her there won't be a first shift nurse to take care of your patients. Deal with patients who are literally trying to assault you in the behavioral health unit because they are hallucinating and haven't been taking their medications due to financial restrictions. You work under the "holier-than-thou" doctors who have their nose to the ceiling and couldn't care less that you just worked your ass off trying to do damage control on their patient, who then blame and ridicule you for intruding upon their sacred time even though they are the on-call doctor anyway. You be the case manager for hospice where you are given patients who are GOING TO DIE under your care, where you give them comfort in their final, agonizing days, tell their families that their loved one is declining faster than expected, and go to funeral after funeral for people you grew to love as you watched them die.

Do that, and then tell me nurses aren't worth their weight in gold. I dare you.

Nurses are worth a great deal, and I am completely ok with them receiving the compensation the title suggests (although I think it's total bullsh*t).

However, with the exception of the whole "going to the funeral" bit, do you really think those things are unique to nursing? Even as a someone who just completed third year I have literally experienced every one of them. The residents have way less protections than I do, and work significantly harder. The attendings vary based on specialty.