Avg number of interview invites per program

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  1. ChessMaster3000

    ChessMaster3000 5+ Year Member

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    Did a pretty extensive search on this and couldnt find anything. Was wondering for most IM programs, how many interview invites are sent out. I realize programs vary in size, so it might best be thought of as number of interviews per spot. For example, many of the prominent IM programs have 35-50 residents per program. For these, how many do you suppose are interviewed?
     
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  3. Stedari

    Stedari 2+ Year Member

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    It looks like 10 interviews per categorical spot is pretty standard.
     
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    jdh71 epiphany at nine thousand six hundred feet 7+ Year Member

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    You didn't search very hard.
     
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    jdh71 epiphany at nine thousand six hundred feet 7+ Year Member

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    If by "extensive" (in quotes for a reason) means: "I didn't know so I decided to start a thread"; then I buy the story you're trying to sell.

    If by "extensive" you actually used the forum search feature and decided not to read anyway, I'm calling "horse****"

    You can piss on my back and tell me it rain but don't crap on my back and tell me it's just warm, soft hail.
     
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    thehundredthone 2+ Year Member

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    Look it up on FREIDA.
     
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    Raryn Infernal Internist Gold Donor 7+ Year Member

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    To concur with the above, the average program interviews approximately 10 candidates per spot.
     
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    So I need at least ten interviews and I am guaranteed a spot?
    Good to know! I'm going to apply to more programs.
     
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    You're kind of asking a different question than the OP but, if you're an AMG, the answer is yes. The chance of matching asymptotically approaches 100 at 10 programs. For "Independent Applicants" it's more like 18 to get the same chances.
     
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    Raryn Infernal Internist Gold Donor 7+ Year Member

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    The answer to that is yes, but not for the reason that you think.

    The average program goes down 6.5 spots on it's rank list for every spot they have. That means a program with 10 spots who interviews 100 applicants will, on average, fill the 10th spot with the applicant ranked #65. Why do they interview the other 35 applicants? Because half of the programs in this country will go further down their list than average and programs would like to have a buffer. So if you're ranked 35th percentile or higher, you're likely to match.

    If it was completely random where in the distribution of the rank list any individual applicant would fall, having 10 interviews would give you a 1-0.35^10 chance of matching, or 99.99%. Hell, three interviews would give you a 95% chance of matching. But of course, it is NOT completely random where applicants fall. Some weak applicants who apply to reach programs and squeak by to get an interview might consistently be ranked near the bottom of the respective programs rank lists. Perhaps some applicants don't interview well. Or whatever else.

    Look at the charting outcomes data and you see pretty clearly that throughout the distribution, people are matching somewhat less often than you would assume if ranking were random. Once you get to about 7-8 interviews, it gets to almost 100% match rate and anyone who didn't match probably had a pretty specific reason they didn't. So does your chance of matching approach 1? Sure. But you don't care about the population of people with X number of interviews. You only care about n=1. If you are an incredibly awkward person, you might be one of the 4 unlucky souls who did not match IM even with >15 interviews last year. So you still have to try.
     
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    I was only kidding, but this is pretty cool info.
    Oh shiiiiii
     
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    WTF is this nerd ****?!
     
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  14. ChessMaster3000

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    Actually I spent at least 20 minutes searching sdn as well as the greater web. There was extensive discussion on related questions. But not this specific one that I could tell, although I acknowledge I could have missed a thread with the wrong search terms. "Sorry" (in quotes for a reason) if 20 minutes wasn't enough time before I should have decided that it was time to post.
     
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    So what you are saying was "extensive" was a "bit" of hyperbole.

    Noted.

    Apology accepted.
     
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    but you didn't think to check FREIDA…this is pretty well documented for each program…shouldn't have taken more than 5 mins.
     
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    I wasn't familiar with freida, and just searched a couple IM programs and didn't see the number of interviews offered listed.
     
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    Did you look through all the tabs of information? There is a lot of it.
     
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    I did it earlier on my phone and it wasnt showing, but yes, I did find it after checking on a real computer. Thanks
     
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    It actually isn't.
     
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    There are many programs that don't provide that information. Case in point: https://freida.ama-assn.org/Freida/user/programDetails.do?pgmNumber=1401621119
     
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    yes, some do, some don't...but your statement is that they actually don't...one example of FREIDA doing so proves you wrong...

    jeez peasy? do y'all really need EVERYTHING laid out in front of you?....millennials...
     
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    Excuse me, but you wrote that "this [#interviews/spot or program] is pretty well documented for each [emphasis added] program..."

    My statement in post #20 is perfectly accurate.
     
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    fair enough...guess programs are getting lazy too...all the programs listed that information when i applied for residency (though in all fairness was in 2007).
     
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    Fair enough. It would be very helpful for all the programs to get on board and/or update their profiles.
     

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