Cowboy DO said:"Full-time PAs worked an average of 44.0 hours a week for their primary employers."
"The mean total annual income from primary employer for PAs working at least 32 hours a week at their primary clinical job was $81,129 in the 2005 census."
Now i KNOW i picked the wrong profession.
Cowboy DO said:"Full-time PAs worked an average of 44.0 hours a week for their primary employers."
"The mean total annual income from primary employer for PAs working at least 32 hours a week at their primary clinical job was $81,129 in the 2005 census."
Now i KNOW i picked the wrong profession.
PublicHealth said:To emedpa and others:
Is this figure higher for specialist PAs (dermatology, surgery)?
Is it common for PAs to have two jobs?
PublicHealth said:To emedpa and others:
Does this mean that PAs who work 60+ hours/week make $160K+? This is the equivalent (if not more than) most primary care docs! Is this figure higher for specialist PAs (dermatology, surgery)?
Is it common for PAs to have two jobs?
emedpa said:if you follow monica's link you will see that the mean for em pa salaries for 32-40 hrs is around 90k. if an em pa wanted to work 60 hrs a week 125-150 k+ wouldn't be out of the question without a bonus. many pa's who work in places with a bonus structure make > 110k for a 40 hr week and a real go-getter in this scenario can make close to 200k. I work in a 12 pa em group with bonus structure and the slowest guy in the group makes 110k for a 35 hr week and the fastest(not me) probably makes around 200 k for 60-70 hr/week( the guy works almost every day of the month. probably takes off 3 days/month. it is not unheard of for a surgical pa to make this kind of money as well. the top pa surgical salary I have heard
of is 250k for a guy who did a pa surgical residency and had 25 yrs of experience with the same cardiothoracic surgical group in which the docs all make 500k+/yr
these salaries are by no means typical and represent the top 10% or so of pa's working in selected specialty fields(surgery, em, ortho, derm).
also consider 125-150k goes a lot farther with no student debt or minimal student loans.....and no need to buy malpractice as it is always worked in as a benefit.....and no need to pay any ovwerhead unless you run your own clinic(which is an option for pa's now in several states- you just hire a doc to review the min # of charts required and refer out anything you are not comfortable with.)PublicHealth said:Jeez, that's awesome for PAs!
emedpa said:also consider 125-150k goes a lot farther with no student debt or minimal student loans.....and no need to buy malpractice as it is always worked in as a benefit.....and no need to pay any ovwerhead unless you run your own clinic(which is an option for pa's now in several states- you just hire a doc to review the min # of charts required and refer out anything you are not comfortable with.)
many...the 2 I am most famailiar with are ca and ncPublicHealth said:Dammit...should I just drop out of med school!?
Which states allow PAs to practice independently with minimal supervision (have doc sign min # of charts)?
emedpa said:many...the 2 I am most famailiar with are ca and nc
ca requirement: only charts for which a sch 2 narcotic was written require cosignature
nc: 30 min meeting with an md every 6 months to discuss the practice. no chart review required. pa may be 100% owner of a clinic.
also..oregon allows for 10% of charts as chosen by the pa to be reviewed within 1 month.
most staes allow a pa to work at a clinic without an md present on site. some of these states still require 100% chart review but it occurs after the fact.most states at this point do not require 100% chart review. 10-25% is the most common arrangement.
chirodoc said:When I'm done with this chiro gig and get out of PA school I can finally retire to NC my home state. Of course by then there will be 500,000 PA's and the average salary will drop to my abismal salary of $40K a yr. Just kidding, I think being a PA is a great profession short of being a physician and I look forward to being able to make that change.
most premeds wouldn't get into pa school as prior medical experience is an important prereq at most quality programs. also there are several course requirements at a typical pa program not taken by the typical premed....but if you happen to be a premed who is an emt and have taken psych, a+p with labs, microbiology, etc check www.aapa.org for info on the pa professionOrpheus333 said:soo...how would one go about becoming a PA?
haha, but really. I'm only in undergrad so if anything I could become a PA if med school doesn't work out? I'm looking for nice alternatives if I dont do med school...unless i need to either way, hence my first question
emedpa said:most premeds wouldn't get into pa school as prior medical experience is an important prereq at most quality programs. also there are several course requirements at a typical pa program not taken by the typical premed....but if you happen to be a premed who is an emt and have taken psych, a+p with labs, microbiology, etc check www.aapa.org for info on the pa profession
Do you know what NY's requirements are as far as chart review and practice ownership?emedpa said:many...the 2 I am most famailiar with are ca and nc
ca requirement: only charts for which a sch 2 narcotic was written require cosignature
nc: 30 min meeting with an md every 6 months to discuss the practice. no chart review required. pa may be 100% owner of a clinic.
also..oregon allows for 10% of charts as chosen by the pa to be reviewed within 1 month.
most staes allow a pa to work at a clinic without an md present on site. some of these states still require 100% chart review but it occurs after the fact.most states at this point do not require 100% chart review. 10-25% is the most common arrangement.
niko327 said:Do you know what NY's requirements are as far as chart review and practice ownership?
feb- pay a visit to physicianassistant.netFebrifuge said:Once again, I know I'm picking the right career. Sweeeeeet.
(I might have just had my first-ever 4.0 semester, by the way.)
Orpheus333 said:apology for hijacking the thread.
alright, your proposition further side tracks me. Would it be possible to attain EMT certification during summer months, winter break..ect.. while doing undergrad as a comprehensive microbiology major (...for pre-med)? so long as necessary classes are offered in the summer I could take them at a local tech college (its a really good one actually) and Assuming I could get hired during summer months it would make a great job/learning experience that med school would enjoy- or the aforementioned PA idea.
schoolastic/time/sleep suicide? or something to look into? I'm really trying to get ideas as to what will give me the advantage in the medical feild during undergrad. Mind you, im only a freshman, but a determined one at that...
*edit*
I took a+p I (I haven't taken a+p II yet) through the tech school my senior year of HS (bought the book because I loved it). I took AP psyc in HS am taking psyc next semester...that being said it doesn't seem impossible. Just really really hard.
emedpa said:many...the 2 I am most famailiar with are ca and nc
ca requirement: only charts for which a sch 2 narcotic was written require cosignature
nc: 30 min meeting with an md every 6 months to discuss the practice. no chart review required. pa may be 100% owner of a clinic.
also..oregon allows for 10% of charts as chosen by the pa to be reviewed within 1 month.
most staes allow a pa to work at a clinic without an md present on site. some of these states still require 100% chart review but it occurs after the fact.most states at this point do not require 100% chart review. 10-25% is the most common arrangement.
emedpa said:many...the 2 I am most famailiar with are ca and nc
ca requirement: only charts for which a sch 2 narcotic was written require cosignature
nc: 30 min meeting with an md every 6 months to discuss the practice. no chart review required. pa may be 100% owner of a clinic.
also..oregon allows for 10% of charts as chosen by the pa to be reviewed within 1 month.
most staes allow a pa to work at a clinic without an md present on site. some of these states still require 100% chart review but it occurs after the fact.most states at this point do not require 100% chart review. 10-25% is the most common arrangement.
pa's who own their own clinics DO pay their own malpractice as well as buy a policy for their supervising md and any employees they have who deliver clinical services. I know several folks in this situation....GMO2003 said:I think if you have 100% owner of a clinic you should also have 100% liability and be responsible for your own malpractice insurance..I have no problem with physician assistant wanting more autonomy...however, I think it should come at the price of more liability as well