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Heads up for anyone considering pharmacy school, think twice. I graduated one year ago and I am still looking for a full time position. It is a disaster out here. DO NOT LISTEN to anyone that says you will find jobs because you are going to be screwed taking pay cuts and joining a corporation with high turnover rates. Do your research before there is currently 0% job outlook from now until 2028
 
Heads up for anyone considering pharmacy school, think twice. I graduated one year ago and I am still looking for a full time position. It is a disaster out here. DO NOT LISTEN to anyone that says you will find jobs because you are going to be screwed taking pay cuts and joining a corporation with high turnover rates. Do your research before there is currently 0% job outlook from now until 2028
What experience did you have? Residency? Internships?
 
Pharmacy school recruiters should be on the list of "least trusted professions" along with Members of Congress and car salespeople.
To be fair, pharmacy school recruiters don’t lie about the job market, they just don’t talk about it. Instead, they focus on red herrings such as “provider status”, “our curriculum is unique/3 years only/has certificate tracks”, “we are the only pharmacy school in ________ area”, “70% of our graduates match for residency [but can’t find jobs after],” and “this is where our alumni are working now [never mind that these alumni profiles are cherry picked and they graduated 10-15 years ago before saturation became a problem].”
 
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To be fair, pharmacy school recruiters don’t lie about the job market, they just don’t talk about it. Instead, they focus on red herrings such as “provider status”, “our curriculum is unique/3 years only/has certificate tracks”, “we are the only pharmacy school in ________ area”, “70% of our graduates match for residency [but can’t find jobs after],” and “this is where our alumni are working now [never mind that these alumni profiles are cherry picked and they graduated 10-15 years ago before saturation became a problem].”
Lol can’t believe I fell for that. I was in denial when I started thinking everyone that told me stay away from pharmacy, just didn’t want me to succeed, wish I listened to them. Good luck to whoever is going into pharmacy school, you just played yourself
 
To be fair, pharmacy school recruiters don’t lie about the job market, they just don’t talk about it. Instead, they focus on red herrings such as “provider status”, “our curriculum is unique/3 years only/has certificate tracks”, “we are the only pharmacy school in ________ area”, “70% of our graduates match for residency [but can’t find jobs after],” and “this is where our alumni are working now [never mind that these alumni profiles are cherry picked and they graduated 10-15 years ago before saturation became a problem].”

Hey at least that 70% have that chance of working for half the potential salary with double the work for a year lol
 
Hey at least that 70% have that chance of working for half the potential salary with double the work for a year lol
We can dissect it even further. 70% [of the 50% of students in your class who actually applied for residencies] matched with a residency program. This means that in reality, only 35% of your class ended up with a residency. The remaining 65% either didn’t match or is in the hunger games fighting for a per diem retail job 3 hrs away from civilization.
 
We can dissect it even further. 70% [of the 50% of students in your class who actually applied for residencies] matched with a residency program. This means that in reality, only 35% of your class ended up with a residency. The remaining 65% either didn’t match or is in the hunger games fighting for a per diem retail job 3 hrs away from civilization.
I would say that the same goes for hospital/clinical pharmacist per diem jobs. Kaiser Permanente posted up an opening for that particular position just recently and received over 300 applications in just a matter of days.
 
Everyone, this is the TRUTH. I just graduated last year from UHCOP. I was lucky to get a residency, but many of my friends are at home with their parents or significant others. Asking me and so many others for jobs.

Pharmacy is OVER saturated. It’s a good profession, but not anymore. Schools are pumping out kids like a pill mill.

Do NOT trust anyone that says jobs will be available. Maybe for retail, but do you really want to go through 4 years of school to be a seasoned cashier? Making about 70-80k starting? No.

Do medicine or something else. I regret this but I’m stuck with my decision.
 
Everyone, this is the TRUTH. I just graduated last year from UHCOP. I was lucky to get a residency, but many of my friends are at home with their parents or significant others. Asking me and so many others for jobs.

Pharmacy is OVER saturated. It’s a good profession, but not anymore. Schools are pumping out kids like a pill mill.

Do NOT trust anyone that says jobs will be available. Maybe for retail, but do you really want to go through 4 years of school to be a seasoned cashier? Making about 70-80k starting? No.

Do medicine or something else. I regret this but I’m stuck with my decision.

Houston? You are in one of the worse cities for pharmacists to find a job.
 
Everyone, this is the TRUTH. I just graduated last year from UHCOP. I was lucky to get a residency, but many of my friends are at home with their parents or significant others. Asking me and so many others for jobs.

Pharmacy is OVER saturated. It’s a good profession, but not anymore. Schools are pumping out kids like a pill mill.

Do NOT trust anyone that says jobs will be available. Maybe for retail, but do you really want to go through 4 years of school to be a seasoned cashier? Making about 70-80k starting? No.

Do medicine or something else. I regret this but I’m stuck with my decision.
Yeah they ask a lot of people for jobs. Are they still living with their parents and spouse jobless for a year already?
 
I guess, but medicine is one field where health of the patient should be the biggest priority.

How many docs would do their jobs if their pay was cut in half? How many pharmacists? MDs have one of the highest burnout rates in the industry at current pay scales. Coincidentally also the highest paid in the industry.
 
How many docs would do their jobs if their pay was cut in half? How many pharmacists? MDs have one of the highest burnout rates in the industry at current pay scales. Coincidentally also the highest paid in the industry.
USC used to have an admissions interview question of “Do you still want to become a pharmacist if your salary was $50k?”

Wonder what people would say.
 
Heads up for anyone considering pharmacy school, think twice. I graduated one year ago and I am still looking for a full time position. It is a disaster out here. DO NOT LISTEN to anyone that says you will find jobs because you are going to be screwed taking pay cuts and joining a corporation with high turnover rates. Do your research before there is currently 0% job outlook from now until 2028
Same with medicine
 
Docs are getting sick of the models where the salary is guaranteed for a few years and then dropped by a great deal. Unfortunately, many have moved their families into the town and there are restrictive covenants.
 
Docs are getting sick of the models where the salary is guaranteed for a few years and then dropped by a great deal. Unfortunately, many have moved their families into the town and there are restrictive covenants.
like you work for 250,000 starting then a new grad will take lower pay? or the hospital is brought out?
 
Everyone, this is the TRUTH. I just graduated last year from UHCOP. I was lucky to get a residency, but many of my friends are at home with their parents or significant others. Asking me and so many others for jobs.

Pharmacy is OVER saturated. It’s a good profession, but not anymore. Schools are pumping out kids like a pill mill.

Do NOT trust anyone that says jobs will be available. Maybe for retail, but do you really want to go through 4 years of school to be a seasoned cashier? Making about 70-80k starting? No.

Do medicine or something else. I regret this but I’m stuck with my decision.
do you think optometry is better
 
Depends on the field
Yes, this all depends on the field. I would argue that it's unhelpful to have this type of conversation when painting with such a broad brush. For one thing, a large proportion of docs aren't employed by hospitals at all. Moreover, a physician should lawyer up before signing any employment contract and this drop in salary that you're referring to should not come as a surprise when the time comes.
 
Yes, this all depends on the field. I would argue that it's unhelpful to have this type of conversation when painting with such a broad brush. For one thing, a large proportion of docs aren't employed by hospitals at all. Moreover, a physician should lawyer up before signing any employment contract and this drop in salary that you're referring to should not come as a surprise when the time comes.
Do you have the stats on the number of employed docs? It may be much larger than you think. And with increasing govt regulations, it just gets bigger.
My friends do have lawyers. It doesnt matter with these large corporations. They always include a clause that they can change the contract at anytime. The doc is free to leave.
And hospitals can only pay what is shown thru MGMA data. If they pay more, they face an audit, they are toast.
 
do you think optometry is better

Optometry is oversaturated, and completely run by corporations.

For one thing, a large proportion of docs aren't employed by hospitals at all..

This may be area dependent, but from what I've seen, the vast majority of doctors now work for hospitals. Roughly estimating, I would say in my area 99% of family doctors/internists/pediatricians/OB's work for hospital, and around 60% of other specialists work for hospitals. 10 years ago the numbers were quite different, with most doctors being independing or working in a self-owned group with other doctors, but things have changed quickly.
 
Everyone, this is the TRUTH. I just graduated last year from UHCOP. I was lucky to get a residency, but many of my friends are at home with their parents or significant others. Asking me and so many others for jobs.

Pharmacy is OVER saturated. It’s a good profession, but not anymore. Schools are pumping out kids like a pill mill.

Do NOT trust anyone that says jobs will be available. Maybe for retail, but do you really want to go through 4 years of school to be a seasoned cashier? Making about 70-80k starting? No.

Do medicine or something else. I regret this but I’m stuck with my decision.
Even UHCOP graduates? Jeeez, what about other Texas COP graduates? Do y'all exclusively look around H-Town only?
 
Optometry is oversaturated, and completely run by corporations.



This may be area dependent, but from what I've seen, the vast majority of doctors now work for hospitals. Roughly estimating, I would say in my area 99% of family doctors/internists/pediatricians/OB's work for hospital, and around 60% of other specialists work for hospitals. 10 years ago the numbers were quite different, with most doctors being independing or working in a self-owned group with other doctors, but things have changed quickly.
I went to a corporate place, they said the eye dentist was tele! Eek no!
 
Do you have the stats on the number of employed docs? It may be much larger than you think. And with increasing govt regulations, it just gets bigger.
My friends do have lawyers. It doesnt matter with these large corporations. They always include a clause that they can change the contract at anytime. The doc is free to leave.
And hospitals can only pay what is shown thru MGMA data. If they pay more, they face an audit, they are toast.
No, this isn't really a thing. Just stop.
 
Yes, this all depends on the field. I would argue that it's unhelpful to have this type of conversation when painting with such a broad brush. For one thing, a large proportion of docs aren't employed by hospitals at all. Moreover, a physician should lawyer up before signing any employment contract and this drop in salary that you're referring to should not come as a surprise when the time comes.

To be fair they never said the drop in salary was a surprise, just that docs don’t like that setup. I am skeptical and take the whole thing with a grain of salt but still, no need to put words in their mouth to make your point.
 
Pharmacy is definitely a trap right now. I got licensed a month ago and applied just about anything and everything I could and haven't heard anything of a replied till very recently. Jobs out there currently aren't looking much into new graduates because why take in a new grad with no experience as an actual pharmacist when there are plenty of pharmacist with experience actively seeking jobs too? I spoke to some pharmacy managers I am close with and their only response are like...Yeah it is tough times right now, they aren't hearing much about people hiring new grads unless it is internal and most the people getting jobs right now did so being because they personally are familiar with a district manager or the job was one in a location with very few pharmacist and they had to relocate to that location.
 
Pharmacy is definitely a trap right now. I got licensed a month ago and applied just about anything and everything I could and haven't heard anything of a replied till very recently. Jobs out there currently aren't looking much into new graduates because why take in a new grad with no experience as an actual pharmacist when there are plenty of pharmacist with experience actively seeking jobs too? I spoke to some pharmacy managers I am close with and their only response are like...Yeah it is tough times right now, they aren't hearing much about people hiring new grads unless it is internal and most the people getting jobs right now did so being because they personally are familiar with a district manager or the job was one in a location with very few pharmacist and they had to relocate to that location.

This is the truth but these pre-pharm kids don't believe any of it lol. They talkin about early decision admissions and stuff.
 
Pharmacy is definitely a trap right now. I got licensed a month ago and applied just about anything and everything I could and haven't heard anything of a replied till very recently. Jobs out there currently aren't looking much into new graduates because why take in a new grad with no experience as an actual pharmacist when there are plenty of pharmacist with experience actively seeking jobs too? I spoke to some pharmacy managers I am close with and their only response are like...Yeah it is tough times right now, they aren't hearing much about people hiring new grads unless it is internal and most the people getting jobs right now did so being because they personally are familiar with a district manager or the job was one in a location with very few pharmacist and they had to relocate to that location.

This is so true. A buddy of mine applied to about 55 job listings In about a 2 months span and heard back from none. His uncle is best friends with a CVS DL, he gave the DL a call and he had an interview 2 days later. Got offered for a PT floater position and that’s the best they can do right now. They told him
He has to work his way up and prove himself. At this point you’re only getting a chance if you have a big connection or if you’re interning for a company (and that’s only if they like you and you bust your ass). Who knows it might be better down the line if the pharmacy field takes on new roles and gets reimbursed, but for now keep hoping for the best. What a sad time to be educated
 
This is so true. A buddy of mine applied to about 55 job listings In about a 2 months span and heard back from none. His uncle is best friends with a CVS DL, he gave the DL a call and he had an interview 2 days later. Got offered for a PT floater position and that’s the best they can do right now. They told him
He has to work his way up and prove himself. At this point you’re only getting a chance if you have a big connection or if you’re interning for a company (and that’s only if they like you and you bust your ass). Who knows it might be better down the line if the pharmacy field takes on new roles and gets reimbursed, but for now keep hoping for the best. What a sad time to be educated

He only applied to 55 jobs in 2 months? That's less than one application per day. He doesn't deserve a job for that minimal effort. If you're unemployed, then it's your job to apply to jobs. He should have applied to at least 10 per day everyday.
 
Heads up for anyone considering pharmacy school, think twice. I graduated one year ago and I am still looking for a full time position. It is a disaster out here. DO NOT LISTEN to anyone that says you will find jobs because you are going to be screwed taking pay cuts and joining a corporation with high turnover rates. Do your research before there is currently 0% job outlook from now until 2028
Where exactly is “here”?
 
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