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I am a recently admitted MD student from a nontraditional background, and I wanted to share my experiences with online coursework (specifically biochemistry) because I don't want future students to have to go through the same ordeal that I did. I graduated from a regular brick-and-mortar 4-year university a few years ago and realized that I needed to take biochemistry before matriculation to my #1 school of choice. However, no brick-and-mortar biochem course was available in my area, so I settled on taking an online course (for the very first time). After some initial research, I went with UC Berkeley Online Extension, with Nidhi Ahuja as my 'instructor,' due to the flexible timeline and name-recognition of Berkeley.

This was a major mistake, and one that cost me almost a thousand dollars. I assumed (though I shouldn't have) that the course consisted of lectures and reading with a midterm and final exams, in addition to regular assignments. In reality, the course consists only of reading the textbook (not included in tuition cost), busy-work 'homework' assignments, and two vaguely worded exams. There are no lectures whatsoever, or any real source of information other than the book (with which you'll become very familiar, given that the homework is most often to paraphrase the entire reading selection, which sometimes took me 10-15 pages single-spaced). The exams are hastily written, and they are graded in such a way that you'll lose points over semantic issues even if you give a correct answer. Also, there is no review material for the exams, even though you're accountable for ~200 pages of text. The one midterm is taken at-home and is unproctored.

Obviously, I can't speak for every instructor, but I can only hope that mine was the exception and not the rule. Dr. Ahuja responded to maybe one out of three or four messages, and was generally absent from the course other than to grade. When she would respond, I found her to be condescending and unhelpful, offering 1-sentence responses to page-long emails from me. She stopped responding to me altogether in the latter half of the course, probably in some connection to what came next.

After I took the exam and received my (very low) grade, I wrote to her to ask for a regrade on a question where I had misunderstood the format but had answered correctly. I lost 20% of my midterm score on this question alone, and it had wrecked my grade in the class. She responded by accusing me of cheating based on similarity of my answers to the textbook (of course, I didn't cheat--the textbook was all I had to study from), without actually responding to my issue with the exam question. I couldn't prove my innocence because the exam is unproctored and, furthermore, I would have hoped to get a better grade than a D if I had actually cheated. Next, she tried to force me to sign a form confessing to cheating, which I naturally refused. I took the issue to the administrators and eventually the dean of UCB Extension, and they were all totally apathetic and unhelpful. Ultimately, I was forced to withdraw, losing my tuition payment of $850 in the process.

It's hard for me not to see this as a kind of scam, especially since I spoke to other students in the course before I left who had had similar experiences. It felt like the institution was just waiting for an opportunity to kick me out after I complained, rather than actually deal with the issue. It seems like they're aware of these institutional issues but allow them to persist. Meanwhile, students can't organize to ask for better treatment, because they lose access to the forums when they're pressured to withdraw. They wouldn't even allow me to submit a formal complaint, so I'm putting it on SDN to hopefully deter at least a few other prospective med students.

My experience may not be universal, but I've seen enough to know that 1) UCB Extension is relying on Berkeley's name recognition to get away with very poor academic conduct and 2) it's very difficult to learn biochemistry from reading a textbook alone. If you're in need of a biochemistry course, and you have to take it online, save yourself the time, money, and energy and don't take this one.

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I just want to put in that, though I make no commentary whatsoever on the online components of UCBX, I have always found their classroom lecture sections to be very satisfactory. Good courses, (mostly) good professors, good location/time offerings, and a general air of understanding towards students who have other time commitments/expenses on their plates.

I'm sorry to the OP that the online component was so unsatisfactory. I hope that it is a professor-specific thing, rather than a UCBX-specific thing, and I commend OP for recognizing that possibility in the midst of their frustration. I hope that both of these viewpoints are helpful to future students moving forward.

Wishing you luck, OP!
 
Sorry for you experience. I have been a student at HES (Harvard Ex School), and have loved the structure and support. Yes, you're treated like a 2nd class student but I found that this motivated me, and appreciated the generous discount over regular classes.

Some professors were brilliant, others were not. I do not think an individual professor is a representation of an institution, you can only make that gauge after taking many classes at said institution.
 
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I am a recently admitted MD student from a nontraditional background, and I wanted to share my experiences with online coursework (specifically biochemistry) because I don't want future students to have to go through the same ordeal that I did. I graduated from a regular brick-and-mortar 4-year university a few years ago and realized that I needed to take biochemistry before matriculation to my #1 school of choice. However, no brick-and-mortar biochem course was available in my area, so I settled on taking an online course (for the very first time). After some initial research, I went with UC Berkeley Online Extension, with Nidhi Ahuja as my 'instructor,' due to the flexible timeline and name-recognition of Berkeley.

This was a major mistake, and one that cost me almost a thousand dollars. I assumed (though I shouldn't have) that the course consisted of lectures and reading with a midterm and final exams, in addition to regular assignments. In reality, the course consists only of reading the textbook (not included in tuition cost), busy-work 'homework' assignments, and two vaguely worded exams. There are no lectures whatsoever, or any real source of information other than the book (with which you'll become very familiar, given that the homework is most often to paraphrase the entire reading selection, which sometimes took me 10-15 pages single-spaced). The exams are hastily written, and they are graded in such a way that you'll lose points over semantic issues even if you give a correct answer. Also, there is no review material for the exams, even though you're accountable for ~200 pages of text. The one midterm is taken at-home and is unproctored.

Obviously, I can't speak for every instructor, but I can only hope that mine was the exception and not the rule. Dr. Ahuja responded to maybe one out of three or four messages, and was generally absent from the course other than to grade. When she would respond, I found her to be condescending and unhelpful, offering 1-sentence responses to page-long emails from me. She stopped responding to me altogether in the latter half of the course, probably in some connection to what came next.

After I took the exam and received my (very low) grade, I wrote to her to ask for a regrade on a question where I had misunderstood the format but had answered correctly. I lost 20% of my midterm score on this question alone, and it had wrecked my grade in the class. She responded by accusing me of cheating based on similarity of my answers to the textbook (of course, I didn't cheat--the textbook was all I had to study from), without actually responding to my issue with the exam question. I couldn't prove my innocence because the exam is unproctored and, furthermore, I would have hoped to get a better grade than a D if I had actually cheated. Next, she tried to force me to sign a form confessing to cheating, which I naturally refused. I took the issue to the administrators and eventually the dean of UCB Extension, and they were all totally apathetic and unhelpful. Ultimately, I was forced to withdraw, losing my tuition payment of $850 in the process.

It's hard for me not to see this as a kind of scam, especially since I spoke to other students in the course before I left who had had similar experiences. It felt like the institution was just waiting for an opportunity to kick me out after I complained, rather than actually deal with the issue. It seems like they're aware of these institutional issues but allow them to persist. Meanwhile, students can't organize to ask for better treatment, because they lose access to the forums when they're pressured to withdraw. They wouldn't even allow me to submit a formal complaint, so I'm putting it on SDN to hopefully deter at least a few other prospective med students.

My experience may not be universal, but I've seen enough to know that 1) UCB Extension is relying on Berkeley's name recognition to get away with very poor academic conduct and 2) it's very difficult to learn biochemistry from reading a textbook alone. If you're in need of a biochemistry course, and you have to take it online, save yourself the time, money, and energy and don't take this one.

I had Professor Ahuja for an in-person Microbiology class at UC Berkeley Extension and thought she was a wonderful instructor. I loved that class. Can't speak to her online courses though. Sounds like this situation was poorly handled.
 
I just want to put in that, though I make no commentary whatsoever on the online components of UCBX, I have always found their classroom lecture sections to be very satisfactory. Good courses, (mostly) good professors, good location/time offerings, and a general air of understanding towards students who have other time commitments/expenses on their plates.

I'm sorry to the OP that the online component was so unsatisfactory. I hope that it is a professor-specific thing, rather than a UCBX-specific thing, and I commend OP for recognizing that possibility in the midst of their frustration. I hope that both of these viewpoints are helpful to future students moving forward.

Wishing you luck, OP!

I'm currently doing a DIY post-baccalaureate through UCBEx and am taking Biochemistry in a classroom setting with Geoffrey Sargent. The course is difficult because there is a lot of content, but I don't find the instruction overly vague or superfluous. Some of the course material that we focused on is very helpful for the new MCAT (emphasis on amino acids and scientific papers, for example). I have some small complaints regarding the organization of the course, such as assignments not being graded in a super timely manner. However, for the most part I have found the quality of instruction to be acceptable and would recommend it to others.

Note that formal UCBEx post-bacc requires all classes to be taken in person, so online classes do not count. I'm guessing that the quality of instruction in online classes is set at a much lower bar. For example, I've gathered that Nidhi Ahuja is fairly good in person, but terrible online. I do think there is an advantage to taking these classes in a classroom, especially if you're paying the same tuition.
 
I am not sure how Berkeley Extension classes are in person, but the online ones suck real bad. I received an A in Medical Biochemistry and other first year classes in medical school, and the grading in med school is even easier than that of Berkeley extension online courses - not to mention almost non-existent feedback. I believe some of these professors are there just to collect some extra money because research money is not enough, esp in the bay area.

If I were a premed trying to get into med school, I would avoid Berkeley extension, especially online. I would take courses at easier four year school to maximize my chances.
 
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I am not sure how Berkeley Extension classes are in person, but the online ones suck real bad. I received an A in Medical Biochemistry and other first year classes in medical school, and the grading in med school is even easier than that of Berkeley extension online courses - not to mention almost non-existent feedback. I believe some of these professors are there just to collect some extra money because research money is not enough, esp in the bay area.

If I were a premed trying to get into med school, I would avoid Berkeley extension, especially online. I would take courses at easier four year school to maximize my chances.
Since you admittedly have not taken the in-class sections, I would think it would make sense to limit your suggestion to the online courses and not comment on the other.
 
Since you admittedly have not taken the in-class sections, I would think it would make sense to limit your suggestion to the online courses and not comment on the other.

We get it, you took courses at UC Berkeley extension and you did well. Posting essentially the same stuff multiple times isn't adding anything to this thread. Plus with the same professors teaching both online and in-person it makes sense to run into similar problems.
 
We get it, you took courses at UC Berkeley extension and you did well. Posting essentially the same stuff multiple times isn't adding anything to this thread. Plus with the same professors teaching both online and in-person it makes sense to run into similar problems.
I never said whether I did well or not. I just stated that the irl courses were decent.
I also never once put forth an opinion on the online versions...because I don't have experience with them, so it would be foolish of me to do so.

Thus far, I've simply put forth my review of UCBX (because OP lumped the irl and online courses together in the end despite recognizing that they were separate early on) and then posted once requesting people review what they actually have experience with and refrain from bashing something that they've never participated in. I'm not sure what you're objecting to in there. Yes, I echoed one portion of my initial comment in my later post, but that was because people clearly did not 'get it', as they continued lumping the online and irl courses together.

As to your final comment - that conclusion does not seem to be supported by at least 2 separate posts in here contrasting the irl experience and online experience of the same prof. The overriding difference here seems to be the online vs classroom setting.

I just don't want people to write the entire institution off due to issues with the online courses, when the irl courses are perfectly good. Yes, UCBX has its flaws, but it also offers good courses at locations and times which are definitely helpful for someone trying to combine work+school. It would be a shame for someone to miss an opportunity because they read a review which was not even based on the classroom experience.
 
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I can also vouch for UCBx offline classes. I took a handful of them and they were just fine compared to my undergrad institution. I took biochem (offline) as well and it was plenty challenging and I learned a lot. Me and all my friends in the offline program did great on the mcat with only ucbx instruction in pre reqs. Take that for what it's worth.
 
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I can't speak for Berkeley, but I took online courses through the Community College of Colorado online system and I have zero complaints. They were excellent and all of my credits transferred to a brick and mortar with no problem.
 
I know this is an old thread, but I wish I had seen it before.
Just wanted to thank you for posting and also warn others because I had practically the same experience and, yes, also ended up dropping it and losing $850. I was accused of cheating on the midterm and received a zero, which was not much of a loss because I wouldn't have received a passing grade anyway - I think I scored about 56%. Which, were I cheating, would like to think I'd do a little better at least. I guess finding this discussion is slightly comforting because before I just thought I was missing something.

Anyway, in other interactions with Berkeley Extension I find the administration very unhelpful and apathetic; but due to a limitation of other offerings I'm trying another section in a classroom setting and so far it seems a lot better. I have nothing good to say about Dr. Ahuja's teaching skills or her character. The online racket does actually feel like some kind of basement scam and has given me a very bad impression of the entire Berkeley institution.
 
Has anyone taken the online Genetics course (MCELLBI X143 - 027 Genetics) with SUSAN PARKINSON from UCB Extension?
Link: http://extension.berkeley.edu/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=41578
I have seen such horrible reviews of UCB Extension but have also taken an in-person class that was good and need to take Genetics and am hoping someone can shed light on this online course and professor. Thank you.

Additionally, if anyone has had any experience with Genetics and Mary Alice Young, for the same class, I would appreciate the input. Thank you!
 
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I also had a bad experience with the online biochemistry classes at UC Berkeley. Eventually had to withdraw. Now taking the course online at another institution and it's a total 180. I feel like I'm actually learning things instead of pandering to the professor's bizarre expectations.
 
I also had a bad experience with the online biochemistry classes at UC Berkeley. Eventually had to withdraw. Now taking the course online at another institution and it's a total 180. I feel like I'm actually learning things instead of pandering to the professor's bizarre expectations.
Where are you taking it? Perhaps they have a good Genetics class, as well. I keep finding schools that "used to offer" Genetics or that have horrible professor reviews and am just trying to find more options. Thanks!
 
I also had a bad experience with the online biochemistry classes at UC Berkeley. Eventually had to withdraw. Now taking the course online at another institution and it's a total 180. I feel like I'm actually learning things instead of pandering to the professor's bizarre expectations.

Who was the teacher ?


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Where are you taking it? Perhaps they have a good Genetics class, as well. I keep finding schools that "used to offer" Genetics or that have horrible professor reviews and am just trying to find more options. Thanks!
I'm taking it through Iowa State University.
 
Has anyone taken the online Genetics course (MCELLBI X143 - 027 Genetics) with SUSAN PARKINSON from UCB Extension?
Link: http://extension.berkeley.edu/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=41578
I have seen such horrible reviews of UCB Extension but have also taken an in-person class that was good and need to take Genetics and am hoping someone can shed light on this online course and professor. Thank you.

Additionally, if anyone has had any experience with Genetics and Mary Alice Young, for the same class, I would appreciate the input. Thank you!

Hi @bombai, if you are still looking for input - I took UCBX Genetics online (different instructor) and really, really liked it. The curriculum was good, the expectations were clear and the grading was fair. I learned a ton and it is helping me immensely with MCAT prep. I have also taken Mary Alice Yund in classroom, but for Biochem. She is very knowledgeable and she grades generously, but she is not the best teacher. Some of my classmates were taking her Genetics course at the same time and said it was pretty frustrating. If you feel like you will have a knack for the material, though, the in-person course would probably look better on your application. Genetics was my second UCBX online course. One challenge with online is that when you hit material that you just aren't getting, it can be hard to "talk it through" online. The rest of my courses through UCBX have been in classroom. I've taken quite a few, at this point, and most of my instructors were great. There are a few to avoid; ratemyprofessor.com has been pretty accurate, for me. Let me know if there's anything else I can tell you. Good luck with Genetics!
 
Hi @bombai, if you are still looking for input - I took UCBX Genetics online (different instructor) and really, really liked it. The curriculum was good, the expectations were clear and the grading was fair. I learned a ton and it is helping me immensely with MCAT prep. I have also taken Mary Alice Yund in classroom, but for Biochem. She is very knowledgeable and she grades generously, but she is not the best teacher. Some of my classmates were taking her Genetics course at the same time and said it was pretty frustrating. If you feel like you will have a knack for the material, though, the in-person course would probably look better on your application. Genetics was my second UCBX online course. One challenge with online is that when you hit material that you just aren't getting, it can be hard to "talk it through" online. The rest of my courses through UCBX have been in classroom. I've taken quite a few, at this point, and most of my instructors were great. There are a few to avoid; ratemyprofessor.com has been pretty accurate, for me. Let me know if there's anything else I can tell you. Good luck with Genetics!

ps - in UCBX Genetics online, all of the instructors use the same syllabus and textbook. I think there are 3 or 4 instructors, and they rotate sections.
 
ps - in UCBX Genetics online, all of the instructors use the same syllabus and textbook. I think there are 3 or 4 instructors, and they rotate sections.

Oh my goodness THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RESPONDING! While I would like to take the class in person, I am planning to take it when I may be doing interviews so I wanted to find an "at-your-own-pace" course. I was comparing it with the UNE course.

Would you say that you were well-prepared for the exams and that with a decent amount of effort you could get an A? I've heard about many UCB Extension courses being great until the final exam.

Would you say the professor was responsive? I am nervous about "teaching myself" the material, but hope that I can find online videos somewhere to help me with any topics that might be difficult.

You say Mary Alice Yund grades generously. What do you mean by that?

What are the best "tips" you could give someone who is taking the course? I am a hard worker and am willing to put in the effort. At the same time, if the exams are on ridiculous, unimportant little details (as I have heard for some of them), I am not sure this would be a good course.

I have taken a UCB Extensions course before (in person). It wasn't the best experience, but I got through it in one piece.

The professor for this Genetics course does not have very good reviews on ratemyprofessor.com, and that was another reason I was hesitant. I have not found any online Genetics courses that have good reviews. There was one for Oklahoma State, but it appears they are no longer offering the course.
 
This is mostly an older post but I wanted to echo some of the above experiences. I've taken 2 classes in person at UCBX and had great experiences with both of them. I guess I got lucky enough to have great professors. But I've read time and time again on SDN in older threads that their online classes are not good so I've tried my best to avoid them.
 
This is mostly an older post but I wanted to echo some of the above experiences. I've taken 2 classes in person at UCBX and had great experiences with both of them. I guess I got lucky enough to have great professors. But I've read time and time again on SDN in older threads that their online classes are not good so I've tried my best to avoid them.

Thanks mountainpeak! I had read the same--hence, my reason for asking anyone who has more recently taken a course. Online may be my only good option and I am looking to see if things have changed.
 
Oh my goodness THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RESPONDING! While I would like to take the class in person, I am planning to take it when I may be doing interviews so I wanted to find an "at-your-own-pace" course. I was comparing it with the UNE course.

Would you say that you were well-prepared for the exams and that with a decent amount of effort you could get an A? I've heard about many UCB Extension courses being great until the final exam.

Would you say the professor was responsive? I am nervous about "teaching myself" the material, but hope that I can find online videos somewhere to help me with any topics that might be difficult.

You say Mary Alice Yund grades generously. What do you mean by that?

What are the best "tips" you could give someone who is taking the course? I am a hard worker and am willing to put in the effort. At the same time, if the exams are on ridiculous, unimportant little details (as I have heard for some of them), I am not sure this would be a good course.

I have taken a UCB Extensions course before (in person). It wasn't the best experience, but I got through it in one piece.

The professor for this Genetics course does not have very good reviews on ratemyprofessor.com, and that was another reason I was hesitant. I have not found any online Genetics courses that have good reviews. There was one for Oklahoma State, but it appears they are no longer offering the course.

The self-paced courses can be a blessing and a curse. I started off with the best of intentions, then found myself 4.5 months later with just under 3 of the required 10 modules done, plus the final which you might know is 30% of your grade and you need a score of at least 70% on the final to pass the course. The 6-mos deadline is FIRM. I was prepared to take a W and repeat the course, but I surprised myself and not only finished on time, but I got an A! (This is for Genetics; my other online course had a fixed schedule.) So - yes, with decent effort, you can get an A. Keep in mind that Genetics was my absolute favorite course material so far, I feel like I have a knack for it, and a good portion of it covered the same ground as my Bio I lecture, although often in greater detail. I thought the final was fair, but hard. One challenge is that because there are several different professors using the same syllabus and final, the terminology and question style wasn't always a perfect match, e.g., my professor (and the textbook) usually used "heterozygote" but the final referred to "monohybrid." Manageable if you know the material, but it gave me a flash of panic at first.

My professor for online Genetics was John Placyk. He was incredibly prompt in grading and responding to questions. I reached out to him when I realized I was going to have to crank though about two modules a week to make my deadline, and he had more faith in me than I did in myself! He was very encouraging. There were a couple of points of frustration where I just couldn't get my question across clearly enough electronically; I'd ask a follow-on question for clarification, and the response would relate to that piece of the question only, rather than the whole thread. It's definitely easier to get clarification in person in a real-time conversation - no avoiding that. If I had it to do again, I might have looked for a tutor. Also, you can't really confer with the other students since everyone is working at a different pace, and the online forum isn't really set up for that, or maybe I just didn't crack the code. I think this is the nature of online. Things worked out well in the end for me so I was pretty happy.

Re: Mary Alice Yund's grading - first, her exams are open book and open notes. She will claim that it won't help you, but it definitely helped me. BUT, this was for Biochem. I don't think her Genetics exams were open book. In Biochem, she set the B+/A- cutoff at 85% right out of the gate, and said she would curve in our favor only, i.e., the cutoff might drop to 82%, but it would never climb above 85%. Again, not sure if this is true for Genetics; I think my classmates said it wasn't. What probably does stay constant across all her courses is her philosophy of giving you credit where she can for any demonstration of correct understanding, versus having a punchlist of points that you have to cover in your answer (excepting T-F and multiple choice, of course). She wants to give you a good grade. Genetics is probably a different beast since the material is more black and white, but it never hurts to have a professor who will give you the benefit of the doubt as often as possible. I really underperformed in Biochem (totally my own fault), but still got a B. On the other hand, her final was crazy hard - even students who'd been right on top of the material the whole semester were thinking, "Were we in the right classroom?" Hard to say if I could have gotten an A if I'd worked harder, but things could have definitely been much worse. A friend taking Biochem from a different UCBX instructor at the same time put in way more work than I did, and ended up having to drop the course and repeat it.

My biggest tip for Genetics is to do all of the suggested practice problems and understand the explanations from the Solutions Manual. Don't worry too much about being able to derive the answers without help, but understand the answers given, keeping in mind that the Solutions Manual is a little hinky. Then before the exams, repeat all of the relevant worksheets, discussion questions, and "In Depth Questions." Before the final, go over 100% of the homework and the previous quizzes. The questions on the final were definitely detailed, as is the nature of genetics, but I wouldn't say they were obscure. More like comprehensive. I prepped for the final by collating all of the questions from the homework and previous quizzes and working them all from scratch again. Some of them I went through twice. I wasn't sure this was going to pay off, especially since it took almost a whole day of my very limited remaining time to assemble everything, but it ended up working well.

Last suggestion - if you have a flexible timeline, consider holding off on enrolling until John Placyk's section opens up again. The UCBX online office might be able to tell you when that will be. Like Yund, Placyk wants you to do well in the course. I guess one more thing - PM me if you have any questions on the material! Obviously I can't share the answers, but I'll do what I can to help clarify the concepts.

Let me know what you decide!

Actually, even one more thing (I can't stop typing!) - one other recco for online would be for Monica Ranes-Goldberg. I'm taking a second online course from her because she is phenomenal. Crazy experienced in online teaching (something like 20 yrs experience teaching online), prompt grader, very skilled at giving detailed feedback and explanations on the material. She will expect a lot and has high standards, so it will consume a lot of time, but she puts in a ton of effort to help you understand things. Big thumbs up for her. Like with Genetics, she rotates in among other instructors. I think she teaches Immunology online, Hematology, and the Advanced Biosciences courses, possibly others. In case you need/want another online course. 🙂
 
@jazzmetal thanks for the informative post!! Have you ever taken any in-person classes at UCBX? I'm debating on taking a couple this summer but seem quick (I think ~6 weeks) and I'm wondering if taking 2 upper levels at a time + working would be doable. Maybe I can message you about the specific classes.
 
@jazzmetal thanks for the informative post!! Have you ever taken any in-person classes at UCBX? I'm debating on taking a couple this summer but seem quick (I think ~6 weeks) and I'm wondering if taking 2 upper levels at a time + working would be doable. Maybe I can message you about the specific classes.

Yes, quite a few. Feel free to PM me. Two courses over the summer would be a challenge, but I know many people who have done it while working. I took two courses one summer, but my work hours were minimal at the time. Usually summer session is 8 weeks and each course meets two nights a week. I took one lecture and the related lab, both lower division courses. The lab was a ton of work (first time instructor); the lecture was time-consuming too, although I don't read as fast as I should. This summer I'm planning to take one upper division course that meets 2x per week in person, and am considering starting a self-paced online course. Wish I could take a second in-person course, but my work hours tend to be ridiculous (I'm lucky to get to a 6:30pm lecture on time) and my job has nothing to do with healthcare so it's a big mental shift. Anyway, I hope this gives you a sense of the workload. It's doable depending on how much your day job carries over into the rest of life. Btw, the semester when I got a B in Biochem, I was taking two in-person lecture courses and working full time (40-hr week). This was during a regular semester, so only two nights of class per week. It did seem like a lot. Biochem got the short straw that semester.
 
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The self-paced courses can be a blessing and a curse. I started off with the best of intentions, then found myself 4.5 months later with just under 3 of the required 10 modules done, plus the final which you might know is 30% of your grade and you need a score of at least 70% on the final to pass the course. The 6-mos deadline is FIRM. I was prepared to take a W and repeat the course, but I surprised myself and not only finished on time, but I got an A! (This is for Genetics; my other online course had a fixed schedule.) So - yes, with decent effort, you can get an A. Keep in mind that Genetics was my absolute favorite course material so far, I feel like I have a knack for it, and a good portion of it covered the same ground as my Bio I lecture, although often in greater detail. I thought the final was fair, but hard. One challenge is that because there are several different professors using the same syllabus and final, the terminology and question style wasn't always a perfect match, e.g., my professor (and the textbook) usually used "heterozygote" but the final referred to "monohybrid." Manageable if you know the material, but it gave me a flash of panic at first.

My professor for online Genetics was John Placyk. He was incredibly prompt in grading and responding to questions. I reached out to him when I realized I was going to have to crank though about two modules a week to make my deadline, and he had more faith in me than I did in myself! He was very encouraging. There were a couple of points of frustration where I just couldn't get my question across clearly enough electronically; I'd ask a follow-on question for clarification, and the response would relate to that piece of the question only, rather than the whole thread. It's definitely easier to get clarification in person in a real-time conversation - no avoiding that. If I had it to do again, I might have looked for a tutor. Also, you can't really confer with the other students since everyone is working at a different pace, and the online forum isn't really set up for that, or maybe I just didn't crack the code. I think this is the nature of online. Things worked out well in the end for me so I was pretty happy.

Re: Mary Alice Yund's grading - first, her exams are open book and open notes. She will claim that it won't help you, but it definitely helped me. BUT, this was for Biochem. I don't think her Genetics exams were open book. In Biochem, she set the B+/A- cutoff at 85% right out of the gate, and said she would curve in our favor only, i.e., the cutoff might drop to 82%, but it would never climb above 85%. Again, not sure if this is true for Genetics; I think my classmates said it wasn't. What probably does stay constant across all her courses is her philosophy of giving you credit where she can for any demonstration of correct understanding, versus having a punchlist of points that you have to cover in your answer (excepting T-F and multiple choice, of course). She wants to give you a good grade. Genetics is probably a different beast since the material is more black and white, but it never hurts to have a professor who will give you the benefit of the doubt as often as possible. I really underperformed in Biochem (totally my own fault), but still got a B. On the other hand, her final was crazy hard - even students who'd been right on top of the material the whole semester were thinking, "Were we in the right classroom?" Hard to say if I could have gotten an A if I'd worked harder, but things could have definitely been much worse. A friend taking Biochem from a different UCBX instructor at the same time put in way more work than I did, and ended up having to drop the course and repeat it.

My biggest tip for Genetics is to do all of the suggested practice problems and understand the explanations from the Solutions Manual. Don't worry too much about being able to derive the answers without help, but understand the answers given, keeping in mind that the Solutions Manual is a little hinky. Then before the exams, repeat all of the relevant worksheets, discussion questions, and "In Depth Questions." Before the final, go over 100% of the homework and the previous quizzes. The questions on the final were definitely detailed, as is the nature of genetics, but I wouldn't say they were obscure. More like comprehensive. I prepped for the final by collating all of the questions from the homework and previous quizzes and working them all from scratch again. Some of them I went through twice. I wasn't sure this was going to pay off, especially since it took almost a whole day of my very limited remaining time to assemble everything, but it ended up working well.

Last suggestion - if you have a flexible timeline, consider holding off on enrolling until John Placyk's section opens up again. The UCBX online office might be able to tell you when that will be. Like Yund, Placyk wants you to do well in the course. I guess one more thing - PM me if you have any questions on the material! Obviously I can't share the answers, but I'll do what I can to help clarify the concepts.

Let me know what you decide!

Actually, even one more thing (I can't stop typing!) - one other recco for online would be for Monica Ranes-Goldberg. I'm taking a second online course from her because she is phenomenal. Crazy experienced in online teaching (something like 20 yrs experience teaching online), prompt grader, very skilled at giving detailed feedback and explanations on the material. She will expect a lot and has high standards, so it will consume a lot of time, but she puts in a ton of effort to help you understand things. Big thumbs up for her. Like with Genetics, she rotates in among other instructors. I think she teaches Immunology online, Hematology, and the Advanced Biosciences courses, possibly others. In case you need/want another online course. 🙂
Oh my goodness.... you have explained things so well... I am actually inclined to take this course! I am looking at taking it in December/January, so maybe I will get another teacher. But it sounds like I will be able to pace things well. I assume tests are NOT open book, though?

Another question--I am always afraid my Internet will disconnect. Did you ever (or has anyone ever) had this issue? If so, was your teacher responsive to let you continue your exam?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
 
Oh my goodness.... you have explained things so well... I am actually inclined to take this course! I am looking at taking it in December/January, so maybe I will get another teacher. But it sounds like I will be able to pace things well. I assume tests are NOT open book, though?

Another question--I am always afraid my Internet will disconnect. Did you ever (or has anyone ever) had this issue? If so, was your teacher responsive to let you continue your exam?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
@jazzmetal
Susan Parkinson is the teacher for the online section now. Have you had her or know anyone who has? I'm wondering if she is a good teacher (fair, responsive, etc).
 
@jazzmetal
Susan Parkinson is the teacher for the online section now. Have you had her or know anyone who has? I'm wondering if she is a good teacher (fair, responsive, etc).
I don't know anything about Susan Parkinson, sorry!

Correct, the quizzes are closed book (taken online), and the final is proctored (pencil and paper). The homework is all open book, including what the syllabus calls "worksheets" which are set up like quizzes, but aren't the official quizzes. There was a closed-book quiz every 2 or 3 modules. I did have one scare when my home internet signal dropped. Luckily the signal came back quickly and I was able to finish on time. I don't think the instructors would be able to grant extra time for internet connection issues - the syllabus says you're required to take your quizzes on a wired connection and that loss of connection won't be an excuse for not finishing. The instructions say that the system will log you out of the quiz after the 60-min time limit is up, regardless of whether you have finished. When my signal dropped, it wasn't a matter of losing the wireless signal, but of my internet service going down completely. There happens to be an unlocked wifi signal near my house, so I re-connected through whomever's signal it was and finished. I would try to find a wired connection if you can.
 
I don't know anything about Susan Parkinson, sorry!

Correct, the quizzes are closed book (taken online), and the final is proctored (pencil and paper). The homework is all open book, including what the syllabus calls "worksheets" which are set up like quizzes, but aren't the official quizzes. There was a closed-book quiz every 2 or 3 modules. I did have one scare when my home internet signal dropped. Luckily the signal came back quickly and I was able to finish on time. I don't think the instructors would be able to grant extra time for internet connection issues - the syllabus says you're required to take your quizzes on a wired connection and that loss of connection won't be an excuse for not finishing. The instructions say that the system will log you out of the quiz after the 60-min time limit is up, regardless of whether you have finished. When my signal dropped, it wasn't a matter of losing the wireless signal, but of my internet service going down completely. There happens to be an unlocked wifi signal near my house, so I re-connected through whomever's signal it was and finished. I would try to find a wired connection if you can.
So are you saying that your dropped your signal, was logged out, and then logged back in (time still ticking?). That is better. I have called the Internet company as my connection seems to jump on and off sometimes and they said it was not me, but the Internet. They said the entire Internet system is being transitioned right now from IpV4 to IpV6. It just makes me nervous, but if I can log out and log in right away and the test doesn't go in, that is a bit more comforting! I do have a wired connection (and wireless), but they do jump in and out. I can usually get right back on, though.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
 
Yeah, it was something like that. I didn't actually get booted out of the online system and have to log back in, but I might have had to manually connect to that other wifi signal. My internet gets flaky when it rains so I had emailed my professor ahead of time to let him know it might be a problem. He confirmed right away that all the answers had come through. I don't think that losing your connection would trigger the test to submit. Pretty sure it submits itself only when the time is up, or if you submit it manually.

The whole internet is in transition? That is... disconcerting! 🙂
 
Yeah, it was something like that. I didn't actually get booted out of the online system and have to log back in, but I might have had to manually connect to that other wifi signal. My internet gets flaky when it rains so I had emailed my professor ahead of time to let him know it might be a problem. He confirmed right away that all the answers had come through. I don't think that losing your connection would trigger the test to submit. Pretty sure it submits itself only when the time is up, or if you submit it manually.

The whole internet is in transition? That is... disconcerting! 🙂
It is! The IT person explained all of the details. It should't be this way for long, but it could be at least through the end of the year or something. I'm not exactly sure. But since I now now I can ask about signing back in if I get logged out it makes me less nervous 🙂.
 
Just finished the online intro biochem course here and wanted to express my satisfaction with the program.

I am happy with my outcome and would be willing to answer any questions. I ended up choosing this course over the UNE course to fulfill a requirement for my matriculation this summer.
 
Just finished the online intro biochem course here and wanted to express my satisfaction with the program.

I am happy with my outcome and would be willing to answer any questions. I ended up choosing this course over the UNE course to fulfill a requirement for my matriculation this summer.
Thanks for your feedback! That's wonderful to hear. It's nice to finally see some good feedback on UCB Ext courses. I already took Biochem (from another school)--just looking to take Genetics online now 🙂.
 
I've finished about 1/3 of the course and I find it to be pretty easy and straightforward. The practice questions are practically the same as the graded ones and the first checkpoint quiz was easy and fair. Unless the paper final exam is a lot different, I highly recommend this course.
 
I've finished about 1/3 of the course and I find it to be pretty easy and straightforward. The practice questions are practically the same as the graded ones and the first checkpoint quiz was easy and fair. Unless the paper final exam is a lot different, I highly recommend this course.
Which course? The UCB Extension Genetics Course (ONLINE?) Or Biochemistry?
 
I'm currently doing a DIY post-baccalaureate through UCBEx and am taking Biochemistry in a classroom setting with Geoffrey Sargent. The course is difficult because there is a lot of content, but I don't find the instruction overly vague or superfluous. Some of the course material that we focused on is very helpful for the new MCAT (emphasis on amino acids and scientific papers, for example). I have some small complaints regarding the organization of the course, such as assignments not being graded in a super timely manner. However, for the most part I have found the quality of instruction to be acceptable and would recommend it to others.

Note that formal UCBEx post-bacc requires all classes to be taken in person, so online classes do not count. I'm guessing that the quality of instruction in online classes is set at a much lower bar. For example, I've gathered that Nidhi Ahuja is fairly good in person, but terrible online. I do think there is an advantage to taking these classes in a classroom, especially if you're paying the same tuition.
Hey I will be taking this course with Sargent in a couple of weeks. How did you do in the course? Could you give me some pointers on how to do well in the course?
 
Hey I will be taking this course with Sargent in a couple of weeks. How did you do in the course? Could you give me some pointers on how to do well in the course?

Are you taking the in person Biochem?


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I took the online Biochem if you have any questions.
 
I don't recommend that professor


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Did you have this professor? Could I email you my questions?

I did not have the professor named above, but I think online they all use the same structure.

Feel free to PM me, I will answer what I can.
 
Just finished the online intro biochem course here and wanted to express my satisfaction with the program.

I am happy with my outcome and would be willing to answer any questions. I ended up choosing this course over the UNE course to fulfill a requirement for my matriculation this summer.
I also just finished the online biochem through UCBX, with Professor Wei Wei Gu, and also had a good experience. I wanted to share it, as I almost didn't enroll in this course after reading all the comments on this thread! Professor Gu was very responsive and helpful, and I found the final exam reasonable (easier than I expected, with appropriate questions based on the material in textbook/lectures). I'd also be happy to answer questions! I ended up choosing this course purely for financial reasons, but would definitely recommend it as a good online option for biochem. The self paced part worked great for me, as I was working a weird full time schedule in the ED through the course. It was great to be able to work when I could and not stress about it when I was too busy/tired.
 
Has anyone taken (or is anyone currently taking) the online Genetics class with Susan Parkinson? If so, can you elaborate on your experience? Thanks!
 
@jazzmetal
Susan Parkinson is the teacher for the online section now. Have you had her or know anyone who has? I'm wondering if she is a good teacher (fair, responsive, etc).
Has anyone taken (or is anyone currently taking) the online Genetics class with Susan Parkinson? If so, can you elaborate on your experience? Thanks!

Have you taken this class yet with Susan Parkinson? I'm wondering how it is. Needing an online genetics course to take in January, but not sure how I would do in this class. I've read a lot of bad things.
 
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