Not data or technicalities to back this up but I will say this. People have been talking about CRNAs, Death of Anesthesia, etc. for 30 years. Anesthesia remains strong. Additionally there's pain fellowship, etc. unlike EM which is limited to lesser paying fellowships and admin positions.
I was actually offered a job there in ICU. Almost took it. And down the street where UF is they had started one too.Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.ocalahealthsystem.com
If you do not think HCA and the CMGs will not flood all hospital based specialties to drive down pay, then just look at this. One of many HCA anesthesia residencies. What a stellar group of med students they got. Much easier group to mold, setting the pay bar low. Actually brilliant of them. 4 yrs of low pay residents. Watch them match these programs with large CRNA programs, another cheap work force.
I found about 10 Anesthesia programs, watch these grow and filled by the caribbean mecca schools.
Like EM, you guys better make your money soon because these 100 per year hungry residents will soon be 500/yr.
Really? Where are these groups? Or do you gotta know the right people? Or be stellar applicant? Or some other BS. Are they advertising?
Would love to know as well because those aren’t jobs I have heard of or seen. I only know one guy who got that type of number as a new hire and it was an “eat what you kill” model.
There's a private group in my town not too dissimilar to that. I'm FM so can't speak to exact money,. But my kids are in the same class as two of the partners' kids. Judging by when they came to town and when we came back and knowing they were partners by then I think it is just a two-year thing.
Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.
If you do not think HCA and the CMGs will not flood all hospital based specialties to drive down pay, then just look at this. One of many HCA anesthesia residencies. What a stellar group of med students they got. Much easier group to mold, setting the pay bar low. Actually brilliant of them. 4 yrs of low pay residents. Watch them match these programs with large CRNA programs, another cheap work force.
I found about 10 Anesthesia programs, watch these grow and filled by the caribbean mecca schools.
Like EM, you guys better make your money soon because these 100 per year hungry residents will soon be 500/yr.
Some USMD’s there. Surprised someone from UCSD ended up there.
wow you weren’t kidding. People staffing these programs should be ashamed. I see 5 faculty listed for 16 residents? Wtf?Surgeon's think they are safe? More fine Caribbean dominated hungry residents coming to flood the market.
Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.
The radiologist who thought it would be hard to start a rad residency? Say hello to yesterday. 1st pilot one likely to have many more to follow
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Orthopedics - Got them too filled with bunch of caribbean grads
You think Dermatology is hard to get into. Wait 10 yrs when there are 50 HCA derm programs
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You think anyone is safe? HCA has the vast majority of specialties covered and I am quite sure more to come.
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saw that as well. equally surprised
Could be residents that SOAP from another specialty
Where are these groups paying 500K/year for pre-partner pay?
Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.
If you do not think HCA and the CMGs will not flood all hospital based specialties to drive down pay, then just look at this. One of many HCA anesthesia residencies. What a stellar group of med students they got. Much easier group to mold, setting the pay bar low. Actually brilliant of them. 4 yrs of low pay residents. Watch them match these programs with large CRNA programs, another cheap work force.
I found about 10 Anesthesia programs, watch these grow and filled by the caribbean mecca schools.
Like EM, you guys better make your money soon because these 100 per year hungry residents will soon be 500/yr.
Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.
If you do not think HCA and the CMGs will not flood all hospital based specialties to drive down pay, then just look at this. One of many HCA anesthesia residencies. What a stellar group of med students they got. Much easier group to mold, setting the pay bar low. Actually brilliant of them. 4 yrs of low pay residents. Watch them match these programs with large CRNA programs, another cheap work force.
I found about 10 Anesthesia programs, watch these grow and filled by the caribbean mecca schools.
Like EM, you guys better make your money soon because these 100 per year hungry residents will soon be 500/yr.
They probably took their experience with the few academic hospitals they’ve purchased and generalized to all their random sites.
Can you perhaps imagine a scenario where these graduates have a series of bad outcomes working for a PE backed AMC and the hospital drops the company in favor of a safer model?
What's wrong with Caribbean grads?Surgeon's think they are safe? More fine Caribbean dominated hungry residents coming to flood the market.
Ocala Hospital
Our full-service hospital offers a range of services, including a 24/7 emergency room, cardiac care and a Level II Trauma Center.
The radiologist who thought it would be hard to start a rad residency? Say hello to yesterday. 1st pilot one likely to have many more to follow
Diagnostic Radiology Residency Program | MountainView Hospital
Read more about the training, benefits and highlights provided by our Diagnostic Radiology Residency in Las Vegas, NV.
Orthopedics - Got them too filled with bunch of caribbean grads
You think Dermatology is hard to get into. Wait 10 yrs when there are 50 HCA derm programs
Graduate Medical Education Programs at HCA Healthcare
With 300+ residency and fellowship programs across 16 states, HCA Healthcares GME program offers extensive training for the next generation of physicians.
You think anyone is safe? HCA has the vast majority of specialties covered and I am quite sure more to come.
Graduate Medical Education Programs at HCA Healthcare
HCA offers innovative, high-quality graduate medical education programs.
Not how groups in my part or the country work. There is one contract everyone gets. Same buyin. Same terms.
Yah. Elon just won’t return my calls regarding the technical issues I am having.
We don’t “pay” anything. You earn your wage through your production and you pay a buyin for 2 years.
You are missing the point but ok. Your group is a unicorn where nothing will change
Read your first sentence. Tell us it doesn’t sound contradictory.
AMCs that have been mentioned on here
And this is exactly how it should be
There's truth here. These places not only have anesthesiology residencies but also surgery, ortho, etc. All these grads will get employment somewhere, but that's part of the problem. Simple economics. Increase the supply and market forces drives the demand down. The demand becomes so low that 'specialist' are no longer specialist because surgeons, anesthesiologist, radiologist, and ER docs are growing on trees. Now you need something that really sets you apart (whispers: fellowship) and then hope there's a demand for your subspecialty.
I totally get what you're saying. However, I would skim the cream of the crop, hard working Caribbean grad any day of the week over an entitled, middle of the pack US grad. That's how many mid tier residency programs get amazing residents.
Why the need to get so defensive? I just stated that your statement was contradictory, that is all.
Yeah. I see where the wording threw you off. His group doesn’t technically “pay” the salary (neither does mine) in as much you earn whatever salary commiserate to how much you work. You do “pay”’a buy in, and there’s various ways that’s is done.
So if I just pay the buy-in on day 1, do i start making partner salary?
Theoretically you should
They already kind of are
Of course nobody ever does that, but if you showed up and said "here's $100k, now quit charging me buy-in," we'd say sure.
This is exactly what's happening in nephrology from majority of fellows being IMGs with visa issues who have no choice other than take what's offered.
Nowadays anything more than a two year track is onerous. 3 years at the max, only for a great group. You are right things can change, starting salary can go up, length to partnership can go down. But for those of us still living the private practice "dream", it only changes so much. I didn't get a free ride, why should the next guy get one?
Personally, if there’s a longer “track”, I would have been ok with knowing in writing by 2 years whether I was to be partner or not, even if the track were longer. That way if they try and do some sale shenanigans, you have some recourse.
This is what we do. After one year we give you a notice in writing that you have made partner or not. You do have to complete your buy in after that, however. You get voting rights after that one year mark.
This is the honest way to do things and probably one of the best deals I have heard. I commend you guys for having some integrity.
