Away rotation

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Hey, guys.

I'm an MS3 looking to go into Oto, and I'm starting to think about away rotations. Can I get some feedback on the logistics of it all... For example,

Where'd you do your away/why did you pick that place?

How many aways did you do?

How did you figure out your living situation?

Did you do apply through VSAS, or did you use something else?

etc.

I appreciate any and all advice!

AtG
 
Hey there AtheGre,

I have a home program and did one away rotation. I did it to give me something to compare my home program with and get a much close look at a program I was really interested in than I would get on a one day interview. Another thing to consider is that even if it's a great residency program, it might be a lame place to learn at during an AI. Example: I've heard Vanderbilt doesn't even really let rotating students scrub, so that could be the most boring/lamest month I could imaging. Other places, like where I rotated truly use the students as part of the team and you really get to do quite a bit.

VSAS is standard, but you can maybe communicate with a program of interest outside of that. If you don't have a home program, it might be a good idea to do more than one away. Some programs guarantee rotators interviews, others don't.
 
Probably have more luck in the med student clinical years forum. Most of us are pretty removed from the logistics of away rotations. As for how many you should do, you'll hear everything from one to as many as possible. Don't think one philosophy is better than the other, but I would encourage you to do at least one. Gives you a better perspective on how programs are different and what you specifically value in a program.
 
Hey there AtheGre,

Example: I've heard Vanderbilt doesn't even really let rotating students scrub, so that could be the most boring/lamest month I could imaging. Other places, like where I rotated truly use the students as part of the team and you really get to do quite a bit.

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Vanderbilt definitely lets visiting students scrub. There are generally 4 visiting students each month between June and September/October. Sometimes there are more. Each student spends 1 week on 4 different services and spends most of their time in the OR (scrubbed).

I will say that standing out at larger programs can be more difficult. If a program gets between 20 and 30 visiting students each year, it can be tough to shine. Also, only a handful of those visiting students will get an interview.

If you choose to do an away rotation, pick a program that you are interested in that is in an area of the country that you might want to live in for 5 years. Work incredibly hard, keep your whitecoat/bag filled with supplies, put gloves on as soon as you enter a patients room and be ready to help, get along great with the residents without acting like you're already one of them, and try not to leave anyone with a bad impression. This stuff might seem like common sense, but you'd be amazed by the number of students that spend the time, money, and effort to do an away and then stand in the hallway while the residents round, don't have a light or tongue blade, etc, etc....

After asking a million people about away rotations as a med student, I decided not to do one. Now that I'm a resident, I can see why many people argued against it. For the average student, it hurts more than it helps. If you are a known asset at your home program, then you'll likely do well during an away rotation, but again, it's hard to learn the system at a new place.

The wildcard in this discussion is that excellent applicants don't always get an interview. You could be perfect on paper and in person, but for whatever reason, your application gets passed up and you don't get an interview at a program you're really interested in. You and the program could be perfect for each other, but you don't get an interview, and the love connection can't happen. That is a real concern, and in my mind, is the only reason to do an away rotation.... if you think you'd rather not get an interview after doing an away rotation at a program than risk not getting an interview having never done an away there, then by all means, do the away rotation and don't leave things to chance.

In the end, its up to you. At my program, there are 1-2 visiting students every year that we would love to take, another 1-2 that might get an interview but not necessarily be ranked very highly, and then the other 80% aren't even offered an interview (as we know, spots are limited).

Best of luck with whatever you decide.
 
Thanks everyone for your insight. I appreciate it. I like getting different opinions from different people. I'm still mulling over whether or not I should do an away rotation. Right now, I can only come up with three reasons to do an away rotation: 1.) attempt to seal an interview at a place I REALLY want to match. 2.) More LORs. 3.) Try to get a sense of what you want out of a program (I have a program at my school, so I think I can sort of get an idea when I do a month here). What about extra experience? Do you think one would be ahead of the game if they started residency with 3-4 months of ENT under their belt as a med student? I'm just trying to decide if it's worth shelling out the extra cash. I appreciate the advice.

AtG
 
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