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I was curious if any current students could comment on AZCOM's clinicals. Particularly on its seemingly heavy use of preceptors. I am currently deciding on schools and AZCOM is at the top of my list, but its third-year seems to be my only turnoff. Does anyone feel that the availability of quality clinical sites will stay steady or hopefully improve over the next two years? I am worried with the increase in class size, less ward based rotations will be obtainable. I know AZCOM has obtained enough rotations for the increase in size, but how many of those sites are of quality? How much do you think rotating through preceptors affects the strength of your application for residencies? Do any current students feel the increase in class size is a good thing?

Thank you very much for any and all responses. Deciding on schools has been on of my most difficult decisions I have ever had to make.
 
Great question and I had the same problem when trying to decide if I should go to AZCOM. I think some M3s or M4s can comment on this better, I've only heard things and have yet to experience clinical rotations. From my small sample size of asking 3rd years rotating through OMM everybody seems really pleased about their rotations. I've heard that they also have Department based rotations which sound interesting to me, nothing beats ward based though. Wish I could be of more help but hopefully someone who knows more will comment. Good luck and just to let you know our 1st 2 years can't be beat!
 
Thanks for the imput Fox. Yeah, I definitely feel ward based is the way to go. Too bad AZCOM has never felt that way too. However, your right about the first two years, that's why AZCOM is at the top of my list 😀.
 
Great question and I had the same problem when trying to decide if I should go to AZCOM. I think some M3s or M4s can comment on this better, I've only heard things and have yet to experience clinical rotations. From my small sample size of asking 3rd years rotating through OMM everybody seems really pleased about their rotations. I've heard that they also have Department based rotations which sound interesting to me, nothing beats ward based though. Wish I could be of more help but hopefully someone who knows more will comment. Good luck and just to let you know our 1st 2 years can't be beat!

Whats so good about the first two years!? I'm interested in knowing since I'm still deciding? Also, which pathology do you guys use, Robbins or Rubbins? Or neither? haha
 
I am currently a MSI and our dean spent an entire lecture last term covering your very question. Apparently, a lot of students have been concerned about the class size increase. Let me assure you and allay any fears you may have. The class size increase will max out at 250. Supposedly, the rumor mill is churning and saying they won't get to 250 this year. The admissions people have stated they have not wanted to lower standards to fill the slots so it is possible that they won't reach 250. Keep in mind that is just a rumor and hasn't been confirmed.

In terms of rotations, there are enough and plenty more. At http://www.midwestern.edu/azcom/ you can actually see a chart describing the increase in rotations. I think they are presently at 450 and there are more coming. As you can see, even with an additional 100 students not all the rotation slots will be filled.

Having said all that, I love the school. It is hard, but I think you would be very impressed with all the things that are happening. There have been a few concerns, but I don't think they are deal breaking. Next year there won't be sufficient parking on the lots around campus, so they will be opening up some fields right next to campus for parking. That situation will be resolved within the following years, but at least for next year there will be some dirt lots.

I have some pictures of new buildings I plan on posting on the AZCOM 2011 thread.
 
I can only answer one of DdrumbumD's questions, but the reason I think AZCOM's first two years are so great is "98 percent pass rate for first-time (COMLEX Part I) test-takers, exceeding national average by 7+ percent; AZCOM scored 100% for five of these years".

Thank you very much too for your response Cscpianoman. I know you haven't rotated yet, but what is your and others opinions of these new sites? I am curious how many of them are quality ward based rotations.

BTW, I officially decided that AZCOM is the right choice for me. So I will see you in the fall. However, about the parking situation, so you're telling me I have to park my '98 Nissan with 160k+ miles in the dirt…blasphemy. Lol. :laugh:
 
I'm sure clinicals are going to be just fine. You will find lots of varying opinions because there are lots of varying experiences out there. I know that I jumped on board to start preceptorship my first year and this has been my greatest experience. The thing is, people talk about "having rotations set up for them," but in my opinion, I'd rather do the setting-up. Gives me a little more insight into the program rather than get it second-hand, even if it takes a little more work on my part. I'll let you know when I get there. Which won't be until 2010!
 
Thanks Sarikate. How much flexibility are they giving us for our clinicals? Can we still participate in out-of-state core rotations? Particularly some hospitals. I am sure this was explained to me at one point, but I can't quite remember. (Actually, now that I think of it, didn't they remove that option so they could have sign the new rotation sites?)

Any 3rd or 4th years care to chime in on AZCOMs use of preceptors?
 
I was curious if any current students could comment on AZCOM's clinicals. Particularly on its seemingly heavy use of preceptors....

I know AZCOM has obtained enough rotations for the increase in size, but how many of those sites are of quality? How much do you think rotating through preceptors affects the strength of your application for residencies?

I liked going to AZCOM, mainly because of my classmates, location, solid years 1/2, and flexibilility when it came to rotations. That flexibility is now gone, thanks to the decision to keep 3rd years in AZ. That really hurts the school, IMO.

People can talk about the number of quality preceptors available, but the bottom line is this: preceptorships will NOT prepare you to be a resident. Now don't get me wrong, you will still be able to learn medicine, but you will not be prepared to function as a competent resident if you pursue preceptor based years 3/4. A small amount of preceptored rotations are a useful adjunct, but the core of your rotations need to come from the gold standard of medical education, namely, residency based ward rotations.

Buyer beware preceptors.
 
Is it really possible to avoid preceptors at AZCOM or are we stuck with sub par years 3 & 4? You say "if you pursue preceptor based years 3/4", can I opt out of that crap and pursue better sites? I guess it's more rhetorical, but why does AZCOM insist on preceptors when no student has ever really been a better doctor because of them? It just seems everyone admits they are they biggest downfall.
 
Is it really possible to avoid preceptors at AZCOM or are we stuck with sub par years 3 & 4? You say "if you pursue preceptor based years 3/4", can I opt out of that crap and pursue better sites? I guess it's more rhetorical, but why does AZCOM insist on preceptors when no student has ever really been a better doctor because of them? It just seems everyone admits they are they biggest downfall.

I'm not the best person to comment on if it's possible to avoid preceptors now, as it was different when I went through.

As for why AZCOM insists on preceptors, it's pretty inexplicable to me. I've never heard a good reason for the changes that have been made. Part of it is that Phoenix is a "new" city, without the glut of teaching hospitals that many cities have. So ward based rotations are limited anyways. Lots of people used to seek it our for themselves, but that flexibility has been taken away. I wish I knew why.
 
I liked going to AZCOM, mainly because of my classmates, location, solid years 1/2, and flexibilility when it came to rotations. That flexibility is now gone, thanks to the decision to keep 3rd years in AZ. That really hurts the school, IMO.

People can talk about the number of quality preceptors available, but the bottom line is this: preceptorships will NOT prepare you to be a resident. Now don't get me wrong, you will still be able to learn medicine, but you will not be prepared to function as a competent resident if you pursue preceptor based years 3/4. A small amount of preceptored rotations are a useful adjunct, but the core of your rotations need to come from the gold standard of medical education, namely, residency based ward rotations.

Buyer beware preceptors.

Why are preceptor based rotations so bad? Is is because there is little to no consistency? Is it because residency programs don't recognize these rotations as adequate training? I would like to hear this expounded on by someone that has experienced both kinds or clerkships.
 
Why are preceptor based rotations so bad? Is is because there is little to no consistency?

That's one. You have little to no control over the quality of your preceptor. Some can be great, and some are truly a joke. And if you do all your rotations with the preceptor model, you get to run this crapshoot every month. Sound fun?

Is it because residency programs don't recognize these rotations as adequate training?

That's two. Several hospitals in Arizona do not accept students for 4th year rotations unless previous core rotations were done on a ward based system. So good luck trying to get an audition rotation there, and kiss a chance of matching there goodbye.

I would like to hear this expounded on by someone that has experienced both kinds or clerkships.

Sure thing. Some other reasons why preceptors are a shady way to go: your school cannot ever hope to adequately ensure that each preceptor gives students a good experience. They don't have the manpower to ensure much of any quality control. Of course, this assumes that the school is as interested in your 3rd/4th year education as they are your tuition check.

A really big problem is that preceptor based rotations DO NOT prepare you to be a resident. There is a huge amount of knowledge gained by clerking in a hospital that cannot be learned but by experience. You can know all the books, but what does it gain you if you don't know how to get a stat CT done in the middle of the night? What happens in your internship when you've never been around the interventions needed for a hypotensive patient? It's not just about learning from an attending, you learn from the environment. If you don't get a good foundation as a student, you'll be behind as an intern. And nobody likes that intern.

Autonomy can be an issue too. At AZCOM, many of the preceptors are doctors first and teachers second. What I mean by this is that they have to sustain a practice, and paying the bills will come before teaching students. Just a fact of life. This isn't to say that you have to just shadow and be a fly on the wall, never seeing patients by yourself, but it tends to happen more with a preceptor.

You also need exposure to different attendings. being stuck with one guy for a month isn't ideal. Do two family practice rotations, and you'll see why. You've gotta get perspective on the many different ways to approach clinical problems as a student.

Also, the residents you associate with will supplement your education a lot. In many instances, they are more current and better read on subjects than the attendings, and they are more prone to teach because they are still in the academic soup. Also, they are a lot closer to your peer group, and can become very good and valuable friends, counselors, and advocates.

Another big reason is that ward based rotations make it much easier to make connections and get letters. This is crucial come residency application time.

You need structure a a 3rd/4th year. Ward based rotations usually have a good didactic schedule that are a boon to your personal reading.

Oh yeah, with preceptors, you'll be driving all over the Valley. that gets old. Of course, this can be true of ward based rotations as well.

These are just some of the reasons. There are certainly more. Don't believe the hype they give pre-meds about their preceptor based rotations. They were spewing that stuff long before I came, they still did it while I was there, and they'll keep spinning it. If you go to AZCOM, do your very best to get a majority of ward based rotations, supplemented by a few preceptors. I fully admit that preceptors can be great a s a supplement to round out your rotations. They just aren't a good idea when used as the base of your education. It's almost reminiscent of nurse practitioner training in a way. Not good.

As for the school, I actually liked it. Loved my classmates, and the school fit me well. Some really great individuals in the faculty and administration. Most importantly, I'm doing what I want to do now in residency. However, I am very wary of the new rule keeping 3rd years in AZ. Maybe some current students can comment on how that's working out.
 
4th year is mostly electives...so some ward based work can be made up there if you feel the experience was lacking up to that point.
 
4th year is mostly electives...so some ward based work can be made up there if you feel the experience was lacking up to that point.

The first 1/2 of 4th year is basically spent doing audition rotations to try and land a residency. Not exactly the best time to be making up for a lack of experience.
 
Damn, makes me question whether I made the right choice on going to AZCOM. Thank you very much for the comments SJS.
 
Thanks Sarikate. How much flexibility are they giving us for our clinicals? Can we still participate in out-of-state core rotations? Particularly some hospitals. I am sure this was explained to me at one point, but I can't quite remember. (Actually, now that I think of it, didn't they remove that option so they could have sign the new rotation sites?)

Any 3rd or 4th years care to chime in on AZCOMs use of preceptors?


I'm currently finishing my second year at AZCOM. I've already been assigned my 3rd year rotations and got all of the ward-based core rotations that I requested. The new rotation policy at AZCOM is that you're only allowed to do "in-system" core rotations. "In-system" rotations are defined as rotations that AZCOM has contracts with and has approved to proved a certain standard of education. The reason for this new policy is that when AZCOM first opened there were limited spots for students to do rotations, so allowing students to set up their own rotations was almost necessary, however, this led to much variance in the quality of rotations. Now that AZCOM has been around for awhile they have been able to establish enough rotations to provide quality in-system rotations for all students. Thus, in order to assure all students are provided with consistent learning experiences they established this new policy of allowing only in-system rotations for core rotations. These in-system rotations are not as restricting as you may think. AZCOM has in-system rotations throughout the country, however, a majority are in Arizona (which makes sense). AZCOM has also worked hard to secure more ward-based rotations and if a student wants to do all ward-based core rotations, that is very possible (you just might have to travel outside of the Phoenix area). Ultimately, there are only a few DO schools that are affiliated with major hospitals. Thus, regardless of the DO school you choose, you're not going to get all guaranteed ward-based rotations as you would at an MD school.
 
Damn, makes me question whether I made the right choice on going to AZCOM. Thank you very much for the comments SJS.

Don't just dwell on the negative things I mentioned. I also said that I liked it there and in the end, I was glad I went. You just need to be very proactive about ensuring good rotations, and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
 
I'm currently finishing my second year at AZCOM. I've already been assigned my 3rd year rotations and got all of the ward-based core rotations that I requested.

I'm curious, how many did you request? If you are able to do the bulk of your third year on legit ward services then I'm impressed. If you requested something like 2 rotations, then I'm not so impressed. Which hospitals are they at?

The new rotation policy at AZCOM is that you're only allowed to do "in-system" core rotations. "In-system" rotations are defined as rotations that AZCOM has contracts with and has approved to proved a certain standard of education.

I'm curious as to what standards of education preceptors are held to. A lot of the clinical course directors are very good people, but it's a huge job to do quality control on literally hundreds of preceptors.

The reason for this new policy is that when AZCOM first opened there were limited spots for students to do rotations, so allowing students to set up their own rotations was almost necessary, however, this led to much variance in the quality of rotations.

Whoa there, don't blame us for the crappy preceptor based rotations. If anything, many of us set up our own stuff because what the school offered was crap. The things I set up on my own were always better than what I would have gotten from Clinical Education, and my experience was not at all unique.

Now that AZCOM has been around for awhile they have been able to establish enough rotations to provide quality in-system rotations for all students.

Quality in-system rotations for up to 250 students per year? What new hospitals and what new residency programs are taking these students in? I've only been gone from the valley for a year, but maybe everything has changed.

Thus, in order to assure all students are provided with consistent learning experiences they established this new policy of allowing only in-system rotations for core rotations. These in-system rotations are not as restricting as you may think.

They are significantly more restricting than the old policy. How can less options be better for the students? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never seen a rational explanation for the new policy (aside from AZCOM's hesitancy to pay $$$ for rotations).

AZCOM has in-system rotations throughout the country, however, a majority are in Arizona (which makes sense). AZCOM has also worked hard to secure more ward-based rotations and if a student wants to do all ward-based core rotations, that is very possible (you just might have to travel outside of the Phoenix area).

Sierra Verde, Yuma, and Prescott are not to be seriously considered as ward based rotations. I do like the model that AZCOM has dabbled in, and that many schools embrace, namely sending students to established hospital systems throughout the country to complete core rotations. I wonder if they are still pursuing this at all.

Ultimately, there are only a few DO schools that are affiliated with major hospitals. Thus, regardless of the DO school you choose, you're not going to get all guaranteed ward-based rotations as you would at an MD school.

It's slightly disingenuous to argue that on one hand AZCOM new in-system rotations are very good, and then argue that other DO schools don't really have a great set up either. See the problem with that logic? In any case, it's not true. Most osteopathic schools give students a better chance of having better rotations than AZCOM.

This conversation takes me back. I thought I had the whole rotation thing figured out at the end of 2nd year too. Boy was I wrong. Part of learning I guess.

I would still be very interested to hear from someone who is actually participating in the new set up. Any 3rd or 4th years out there? Maybe my pessimism is off base, so please set me straight.
 
I was told by someone in administration that 3rd years were being kept closer to home to improve results. The MS3's who stayed near Phoenix did better on their exams (so said the admin). Also, it's part of a push to encourage students to practice in Arizona. I don't know how defensible this policy is but this is what they said.
 
I was told by someone in administration that 3rd years were being kept closer to home to improve results. The MS3's who stayed near Phoenix did better on their exams (so said the admin). Also, it's part of a push to encourage students to practice in Arizona. I don't know how defensible this policy is but this is what they said.

That's really interesting. Thanks for the info.
 
ASUAZCOM , if you can take a break from studying for finals please elaboratae and respond to some of the questions from SJS
 
First off, I'm not trying to create any arguments. The goal of my post was to provide current information about the new in-system rotation policy. The information I provided was presented to the MS2 class by the Clinical Education department, I was just relaying this information.

I'm curious, how many did you request? If you are able to do the bulk of your third year on legit ward services then I'm impressed. If you requested something like 2 rotations, then I'm not so impressed. Which hospitals are they at?.
I requested and was assigned to the following ward-based rotations:
Internal Medicine - Tuscon Medical Center
General Surgery - Maricopa Medical Center
OB/GYN - Maricopa Medical Center
Other students are also doing a ward-based Peds rotation at Phoenix Children's Hospital.
I'm curious as to what standards of education preceptors are held to. A lot of the clinical course directors are very good people, but it's a huge job to do quality control on literally hundreds of preceptors.
I don't know.

Whoa there, don't blame us for the crappy preceptor based rotations. If anything, many of us set up our own stuff because what the school offered was crap. The things I set up on my own were always better than what I would have gotten from Clinical Education, and my experience was not at all unique.
I'm not blaming anyone for the preceptor program. The information I provided was presented to the MS2 class by the Clinical Education department, I was just relaying this information.

Quality in-system rotations for up to 250 students per year? What new hospitals and what new residency programs are taking these students in? I've only been gone from the valley for a year, but maybe everything has changed.
I don't know, but here's is a link addressing the problem:
http://www.midwestern.edu/azcom/ (click on "Class Size Increase")

They are significantly more restricting than the old policy. How can less options be better for the students? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never seen a rational explanation for the new policy (aside from AZCOM's hesitancy to pay $$$ for rotations).
We were told this new policy will create a more consistent and standardized learning experience for AZCOM students. Also, the in-system rotation policy only applies to core rotations, students still have freedom with elective rotations.

Sierra Verde, Yuma, and Prescott are not to be seriously considered as ward based rotations. I do like the model that AZCOM has dabbled in, and that many schools embrace, namely sending students to established hospital systems throughout the country to complete core rotations. I wonder if they are still pursuing this at all.
AZCOM is pursuing this aggressively. They are aware that preceptor rotations aren't ideal for preparing students for residencies and they know they need to create rotation spots to accommodate the class size increase. Off the top of my head, I know of in-system rotations at established hospitals systems in California, Illinois, Michigan, Oregon, and Alabama (there may be more). Several of these rotations will be new for next year. I know Dean Kemper is frequently flying around the country trying to obtain more rotation spots.

It's slightly disingenuous to argue that on one hand AZCOM new in-system rotations are very good, and then argue that other DO schools don't really have a great set up either. See the problem with that logic? In any case, it's not true. Most osteopathic schools give students a better chance of having better rotations than AZCOM.
I never said AZCOM's rotations were very good. All I did was relay information about the in-system rotation policy.

This conversation takes me back. I thought I had the whole rotation thing figured out at the end of 2nd year too. Boy was I wrong. Part of learning I guess.
I'm not claiming to have anything figured out. I presented information from the Clinical Education department about what is currently happening at AZCOM and I gave information about what I was specifically doing for my rotations.
 
First off, I'm not trying to create any arguments. The goal of my post was to provide current information about the new in-system rotation policy. The information I provided was presented to the MS2 class by the Clinical Education department, I was just relaying this information.
I requested and was assigned to the following ward-based rotations:
Internal Medicine - Tuscon Medical Center
General Surgery - Maricopa Medical Center
OB/GYN - Maricopa Medical Center
Other students are also doing a ward-based Peds rotation at Phoenix Children's Hospital.

Those aren't bad. OB/GYN @ Maricopa and Peds @ Chilrdren's are new rotations. That's a very positive step. Still though, you are doing only 3 (can I assume each is a 4 week rotation?) months on a residency based model. You seem to be pretty on top of your education, so I'm sure you know that this isn't optimal to prepare you for residency. But I'm sure you'll get more in your electives and 4th year.

I don't know, but here's is a link addressing the problem:
http://www.midwestern.edu/azcom/ (click on "Class Size Increase")

A great link. Thanks for posting it. Still, going to Prescott or Valley Verde isn't all that great. But it does appear that they have a decent plan. I am very impressed by all the planned facilities.

We were told this new policy will create a more consistent and standardized learning experience for AZCOM students. Also, the in-system rotation policy only applies to core rotations, students still have freedom with elective rotations.

Time will tell.

AZCOM is pursuing this aggressively. They are aware that preceptor rotations aren't ideal for preparing students for residencies and they know they need to create rotation spots to accommodate the class size increase. Off the top of my head, I know of in-system rotations at established hospitals systems in California, Illinois, Michigan, Oregon, and Alabama (there may be more).

I'd be curious to know what out-of-state hospitals will be part on the in-system rotations. I think that utilizing this model is a good step, it wasn't promoted enough when I was there.

I'm not claiming to have anything figured out. I presented information from the Clinical Education department about what is currently happening at AZCOM and I gave information about what I was specifically doing for my rotations.

Thanks for the info. It appears that Clinical Ed is getting their act together. I really hope so.
 
ASUAZCOM and SJS, I owe you many thanks for providing your opinions/info. It has sure helped me a lot and I can imagine many others. 🙂
 
Other MS3 ward-based rotations (not including the ones I already listed) in the Phoenix area include the following:
Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center: General Surgery, OB/GYN
Maricopa Medical Center: Internal Medicine
St. Josephs's: just got an email saying AZCOM secured Internal Medicine rotations for MS3's starting next year
VA: Internal Medicine


There may be more, these were the only ones I could remember. MS4's have access to a lot more ward-based rotations.
 
I'd be curious to know what out-of-state hospitals will be part on the in-system rotations. I think that utilizing this model is a good step, it wasn't promoted enough when I was there.
At least 1 I have heard of is in Michigan...evidently this particular hospital has all corp's available there. Now I'm not saying this is the only one out there, but its one I just found out about yesterday when talking about this same issue with a fellow student.
 
At least 1 I have heard of is in Michigan...evidently this particular hospital has all corp's available there. Now I'm not saying this is the only one out there, but its one I just found out about yesterday when talking about this same issue with a fellow student.

When I intereviewed back in December, the ex-Dean Cole was a part of my interview panel and stated that Midwestern essentially had signed on with a couple of new hospitals in the Utah area that could possibly give rotations for all rotations in third year if we so choose to do that style of rotation. He also told me of the 250 student increase being fully approved back in December, when it wasn't actually officially stated to the rest of us until much later. Just some food for thought. 🙂
 
I cant believe you guys are considering schools that dont guarantee on-site clinical training for 3rd and 4th years. Any school that forces its students to go out of state for clinicals is a weak school that doesnt deserve accreditation.

Please tell me exactly what you are paying them for.

With all these new med schools (mostly DO) popping up all over the place, its only a matter of time before schools start setting up "branch" campuses in rural towns of less than 5000 people and force you to go out on your own for rotations out of state in 3rd/4th years.
 
I cant believe you guys are considering schools that dont guarantee on-site clinical training for 3rd and 4th years. Any school that forces its students to go out of state for clinicals is a weak school that doesnt deserve accreditation.

Please tell me exactly what you are paying them for.

With all these new med schools (mostly DO) popping up all over the place, its only a matter of time before schools start setting up "branch" campuses in rural towns of less than 5000 people and force you to go out on your own for rotations out of state in 3rd/4th years.

For 1...you don't have to go out of state with AZCOM...but the options are there if you want to.

And 2ndly...I am not sure everyone feels the same way as you do in terms of what makes a school strong or weak.
 
For 1...you don't have to go out of state with AZCOM...but the options are there if you want to.

And 2ndly...I am not sure everyone feels the same way as you do in terms of what makes a school strong or weak.


personally, i have every intention of going outta state at least a couple times during rotations. otherwise....how do i know where i wanna live?

hmm, thats all
 
Do any current AZCOM students know if there's a limit to the # of out-of-state rotations you can do 3rd year? I thought I remember reading somewhere that AZCOM now limits out-of-state 3rd year rotations to 2 or 3, and the rest have to be done in Arizona... or am I mistaken? I'm just curious.
 
personally, i have every intention of going outta state at least a couple times during rotations. otherwise....how do i know where i wanna live?

hmm, thats all
I thought the answer was pretty obvious...coolness of the location...then again, you do bring coolness everywhere you go.
 
Do any current AZCOM students know if there's a limit to the # of out-of-state rotations you can do 3rd year? I thought I remember reading somewhere that AZCOM now limits out-of-state 3rd year rotations to 2 or 3, and the rest have to be done in Arizona... or am I mistaken? I'm just curious.

http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOMClinEd_Dept/ceMSIII.htm

"You may do three (3) rotations out of state during your third year. You may choose from:
Pediatrics
Family Medicine
Family Medicine/OMM
Elective
Rural Medicine

Maximum time out of state would be three (3) months."
 
http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOMClinEd_Dept/ceMSIII.htm

"You may do three (3) rotations out of state during your third year. You may choose from:
Pediatrics
Family Medicine
Family Medicine/OMM
Elective
Rural Medicine

Maximum time out of state would be three (3) months."

Unless you do Peds at Children's in Phoenix, or somewhere else (maybe U of A?) that has a residency program, I would recommend going somewhere that does.

I don't know if this is still possible, but look into doing your 4th year IM at the end of 3rd year. You have to take the 4th year IM test, but this bumps your 3rd year elective back to 4th year, giving you a precious opportunity to do an extra audition rotation. On the other hand, doing an elective 3rd year may help you decide on what career path you want to take. Different strokes, you know? Just think this one through.

Also, the rural medicine rotation is pretty broadly defined, so you can almost turn it into an 'underserved medicine' rotation. Seek out good opportunities (even some residency based rotations may qualify), apply for approval, and you can get another good rotation that way.

Talking to your rotation coordinators is strongly advised. If you have a good plan for what you want to do, they typically have good suggestions about how to structure your rotations so you get the most out of them.
 
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