Back to basics WW again

[dyachei]

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I had missed the "ands" in your original post, my bad! But yeah when we've done such a good job rooting out the wolves early on it makes it difficult to find the sneaky ones.

"deep wolves" or "powerwolves"

 

[PippyPony]

This last possibility points towards 2 converts as the remaining wolves

I'm sorry, I think I'm maybe missing something here in all the posts. Where are you getting this number?

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[awesomenessity]

Well, I am village you guys. If you think it will help you gain more information then I don't mind being a village lynch sacrifice, but I will be a bit sad lol. And I expect profound apologies the morning after


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[allyphoe]

I'm sorry, I think I'm maybe missing something here in all the posts. Where are you getting this number?

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Semi-informed speculation. LIS(?) estimated 6 for a game this size. No one has suggested 7 or more. Either Zen or Jil (sorry, at Target on mobile and can't remember which one) said 4-5. Four was clearly not the right number. My guess is that 5 was also a lie. So my worst-case and most reasonable theory is that there are two more in addition to the four already found.

 

[allyphoe]

Well, I am village you guys. If you think it will help you gain more information then I don't mind being a village lynch sacrifice, but I will be a bit sad lol. And I expect profound apologies the morning after


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I would feel sorry for you, but that's just what you'd be saying as a wolf, too.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Well, I am village you guys. If you think it will help you gain more information then I don't mind being a village lynch sacrifice, but I will be a bit sad lol. And I expect profound apologies the morning after


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*side note* that smiley bugs me.. like who actually can have one eye all the way closed and the other super wide. Unless its a monocle.. then I would think the smiley would be to sophisticated to stick it's tongue out like that.

 

[allyphoe]

"deep wolves" or "powerwolves"

Sleeper wolves.

 

[Abnerrs]

That is a role in some games! Haha. Not sure if we have one in this game or not but it would be useful.

This comment made me raise an eyebrow. It just feels off. I can't exactly put my finger on it but it just feels forced. Like you're trying too hard

 

[Abnerrs]

*side note* that smiley bugs me.. like who actually can have one eye all the way closed and the other super wide. Unless its a monocle.. then I would think the smiley would be to sophisticated to stick it's tongue out like that.

***side side note I left one for you in the random thread. I think I totally pulled it off. (I put it there because I can't delete my picture in this thread lol)

 

[allyphoe]

I'm sorry, I think I'm maybe missing something here in all the posts. Where are you getting this number?

On the converts/# of wolves front...I found a post by dy at the end of one of her basics games from a while back where she said she thought *6* wolves for about this many players was a decently balanced game (can try to locate reference later when I'm off my phone). So, converts or no converts, I think Jil may have been underestimating here a little to possibly occlude the # of baddies.

Went back to look for the quotes I was remembering. Apparently, I got it from you! 🙂

 

[PippyPony]

Went back to look for the quotes I was remembering. Apparently, I got it from you! 🙂

Oh lol - guess that source checks out! haha

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[KCgophervet]

Well, I am village you guys. If you think it will help you gain more information then I don't mind being a village lynch sacrifice, but I will be a bit sad lol. And I expect profound apologies the morning after


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Didn't raf say something almost exactly like this when she was up for lynch? Or Zen? One of them...

 

[KCgophervet]

You can lynch me, but you'll just be losing a villager who is off her game this time. I don't think I'm playing this game any differently than I've played other games. But I'm thinking there might be wolves just trying to take advantage of a villager who's having a worse game than normal. Maybe with my lynch you guys will at least have some new leads about who to look at for wolves, so I can still be helpful to village that way.

Well, I am village you guys. If you think it will help you gain more information then I don't mind being a village lynch sacrifice, but I will be a bit sad lol. And I expect profound apologies the morning after


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Didn't raf say something almost exactly like this when she was up for lynch? Or Zen? One of them...

Found it. It was raf.

 

[awesomenessity]

Didn't raf say something almost exactly like this when she was up for lynch? Or Zen? One of them...

I actually am village though If anyone has any ideas of how to clear my name I would be open to them!

 

[KCgophervet]

I actually am village though If anyone has any ideas of how to clear my name I would be open to them!

Um... we lynch you and find out? Or... no yeah that's all I've got

 

[awesomenessity]

Um... we lynch you and find out? Or... no yeah that's all I've got

That's pretty much what I thought

 

[KCgophervet]

On the fence about this one. Personally I'm feeling the Finn lynch a bit more than the nessy one. But enough people have the nessyfeels that I'm guessing that's where we're going to go with it. I'll vote my own feels but okay either way.

Lynch Finn

 

[WildZoo]

Someone needs to fill the vacuum on the thread that has been created by trilt's death, and I don't want it to be me because I am often wrong 😛

 

[WildZoo]

More color coding. Possible seered villagers are italicized. Later I want to expand this to include earlier votes that were later waffled but that's too much to do in class.

Day 1:
Serher 1 (cyndia)
Coopah 3 (lyra, finn, zen,)
Ally ()
Cyndia ()
Finn 2 (Pippy, AM)
nessy 1 (serher,)
Confusing 1 (nyan)
cdo 5 (ski, SAR, confusing, STL, coop)
Lyra 1 (Doc-S)
AM 1 (nessy)
LIS 1 (DVMD)
Raf 3 (Trilt, 3m, Abs)
Ski 2 (Jil, ,Snowshoe)
STL ()
snowy 1 (raf)
Jil 4 (, ally, WZ, cdo, KC )

26/27


Day 2 Official Lynch Tally:

Jil (6)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally, LIS
STL (2)- Nyan, KC,
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (7)- Trilt, serher, DVMD, jil, 3m, abners, confusing
Cyndia (1) - Ski, raf
Ally (2) - finn, Coopah
Zen (1) - Pippy

23/25

Official lynch tally d3:
abnerrs 1 - DVMD
finn -
Zen 12 - trilt, Pippy, LIS, Dr. S, nessy, WZ, SAR, mmm, ally, Ski, Jil, Finn
Jil 8 - snowshoe, AM, Abnerrs, kc, serher, confusing, Coopah, Cyndia

21/22

Day 4 and 5 in next post, for some reason it wouldn't let me paste here

 

[WildZoo]

These two aren't as helpful anyway. Thoughts later.

Official lynch tally
Jilary 11 - ally, dr.s, serher, confused, coopah, wz, 3m, LIS, abs, jil, finn
AM 1 - SARS
12/20

Official Lynch Tally
Nessie 6 - pippy, WZ, AM, Abs, 3m, serher
Finn 2 - LIS, kcough
AM 8 - trilt, Nessie, snow, ally, Finn, cyndia, coop, confusing

 

[Abnerrs]

Welp. I went back and read the previous day. It took forever because my attention deficit hated it immensely.


I see nothing to deter me from

******lunch Nessie*********

again. And AM's vote for her sealed the deal for me.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay the top four maybe wolves I have on my list are: Finn, Cyn, Coop, and kc. But I know some of them have been at least semi-cleared - could someone remind me of the reasons cyndia, coopah, and kc are not on peoples suspect list again?

I have been going back and forth on Nessy. I feel/hope like a wolf this late after 4 wolves have been killed would be more defensive then silly and passive.

I am not super confident with the Finn lynch either, but I think she's top of my suspicions list and I am going on a trip today and don't know if I'll be able to check in before lynch close. But I will definitely try my best.

Lynch Finn

 

[Abnerrs]

Okay the top four maybe wolves I have on my list are: Finn, Cyn, Coop, and kc. But I know some of them have been at least semi-cleared - could someone remind me of the reasons cyndia, coopah, and kc are not on peoples suspect list again?

I have been going back and forth on Nessy. I feel/hope like a wolf this late after 4 wolves have been killed would be more defensive then silly and passive.

I am not super confident with the Finn lynch either, but I think she's top of my suspicions list and I am going on a trip today and don't know if I'll be able to check in before lynch close. But I will definitely try my best.

Lynch Finn

I think silly passive can be a good defense. I have USED it. Now saying that it's my natural state so maybe it's hers too. So it doesn't mean much to me either way. Cyndia and Finn are definitely on my list. I haven't really thought any the other ones

 

[finnickthedog]

Okay the top four maybe wolves I have on my list are: Finn, Cyn, Coop, and kc. But I know some of them have been at least semi-cleared - could someone remind me of the reasons cyndia, coopah, and kc are not on peoples suspect list again?

I have been going back and forth on Nessy. I feel/hope like a wolf this late after 4 wolves have been killed would be more defensive then silly and passive.

I am not super confident with the Finn lynch either, but I think she's top of my suspicions list and I am going on a trip today and don't know if I'll be able to check in before lynch close. But I will definitely try my best.

Lynch Finn

KC was off my list because I believe she was actually blocked by Zen. But if we're looking at potential converts then she is a possibility. (Did we decide converts were likely? I can't remember right now but I feel like there were differing opionions on that at some point.) I am still uneasy about KCs Pevensie comment (although I will feel bad if she was a villager and I went after her just for being nice) but I put her on the back burner. Would look at her again if people think she's wolfy.

I'd have to take a closer look at coop and cyndia. Neither of them have stood out to me in a good or bad way.

Just on a lunch break again though so can only talk for a limited time. Should be home before lynch close though.

 

[WildZoo]

Currently looking at confusing and coop. Kind of interesting, they have voted together almost every day 😵 I'm thinking at least one wolf stuck with the cdo vote day 1, especially with Jil so close behind.

 

[Abnerrs]

Currently looking at confusing and coop. Kind of interesting, they have voted together almost every day 😵 I'm thinking at least one wolf stuck with the cdo vote day 1, especially with Jil so close behind.

Didn't they vote differently day 2?

 

[Abnerrs]

Didn't they vote differently day 2?

Nvm I read it wrong!

 

[allyphoe]

KC was off my list because I believe she was actually blocked by Zen.

Not a fan of the Zen-blocked-STL, KC covered for it, school of thought? Any particular reason why?

 

[finnickthedog]

Oh and in regard to the votes being thrown my way since I'll be gone for several hours after my lunch ends...

The case for me being a wolf relies on me being foolish enough to soft vouch two wolves (AM + Raf) and a bad enough wolf to not make up some suspicions when pressed.

Unless you think I'm a convert in which case it rests on the wolves being dumb enough to convert someone that was already under suspicion and likely to get lynched.

Neither case makes a whole lot of sense.

Not a fan of the Zen-blocked-STL, KC covered for it, school of thought? Any particular reason why?

Must have missed when someone suggested it--was probably playing catch up--and hadn't really considered it. No one mentioned it to me the last time I mentioned take KC off my list for the exact same reason (or at least they didn't quote/tag me if they did).

 

[LetItSnow]

The case for me being a wolf relies on me being foolish enough to soft vouch two wolves (AM + Raf) and a bad enough wolf to not make up some suspicions when pressed.

I don't have a lot of time to respond, but ... the above kind of defense is not a defense. We've already had examples in this game of wolves soft-vouching other wolves. And, if you were a wolf, making that argument is trivial to set up ahead of time.

I liked your post about KC, but I really, really didn't like your "defense" here.

unlynch whoever
lynch nessie

... just so I have a vote in.

 

[WildZoo]

Not a fan of the Zen-blocked-STL, KC covered for it, school of thought? Any particular reason why?

I'm not feeling kc as a wolf based on that d1 vote for Jil when things were so close with cdo. It's not the strongest thing but I just don't see a wolf voting that way in that situation.

 

[finnickthedog]

I don't have a lot of time to respond, but ... the above kind of defense is not a defense. We've already had examples in this game of wolves soft-vouching other wolves. And, if you were a wolf, making that argument is trivial to set up ahead of time.

I liked your post about KC, but I really, really didn't like your "defense" here.

unlynch whoever
lynch nessie

... just so I have a vote in.

At the risk of making myself just look worse here, when have I ever posted a good defense?

My point is that I think people still voting for me right now are being lazy. Would I soft vouch a wolf? Sure. Two in a row with basically the same wording? Its always possible but not likely. And the idea that I would do that *and* then not bother to make up some suspicions when I was clearly being pressed on it is just really thin.

But I dont have time to talk about it further right now. Assuming y'all don't so something like lynch me on plurality in the next five hours I can talk more later. But I'm just trying to get *something* said before I disappear. A lot can happen in five hours if I say nothing at all.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm not sure I understand the Abnerrs vote. The last time I played with her, she was a converted wolf. She seemed so helpful and happened to know off the bat who was "villager" and made sure to dispel any claims when I was worried about someone.

I don't see her playing that way this time.

This got an eyebrow raise from me. A second wolf showing support for Abs, and this time when she only had one vote on her. Gets weirder later.

Okay. I guess I'll start off with my top list of suspicions.

Jil - as I said before, STL's death seems like a kill done to look like a very obvious framing



Cyndia - minors feels due to low post number

No, I'm suspicious of Jil because STL was a big candidate for her lynch and he suddenly turns up dead.

As for Cyndia, it just seems like she posts less content than I do. Even in the Ghostbusters game, she was more interactive.

She continued to state she was mildly suspicious of Cyndia due to low post count. I'm not getting anything one way or another from this, but would like to hear thoughts from others.

My suspicions from most to least are:

nessy - Jumped off the Jil vote quickly when questioned about suspicion list.

Ski - I feel like stuff between her and cdo on the first day was strange. Also, how it's all water under the bridge now with no further questioning.

finn - I'd like to hear more from her. I'm not at the point of lynching, but my interests been piqued by the low amount of direct suspicions.

Abnerrs - May just be left-over feelings, but I don't feel totally confident about her being villager

Cyndia - still kind of wondering about her, but other have said there not much to be worried about since she's posting more. So, I'll put that on the backburner for now.


I'm think a night vilgilante would probably be overkill since STL, so we're likely looking at a bonus kill.

And, no. I'm not a wolf.

The mention of Abs here had me raising my eyebrows again. This was a couple days after the first post. I can almost see the earlier post being a soft vouch for a fellow wolf, and then this being an attempt to back off that vouch since she knew she was likely going down soon.

I did say early on that the Abs egg would probably need to be cracked. Maybe not today but I'm feeling that more and more.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm not really feeling the finn lynch.

 

[PippyPony]

I'm not feeling kc as a wolf based on that d1 vote for Jil when things were so close with cdo. It's not the strongest thing but I just don't see a wolf voting that way in that situation.

I do kinda see her as a good convert candidate, though, given that vote was D1. *Especially* if she was actually blocked by Zen, because then we'd do exactly what we're doing now -- clear her for at least a few cycles because of the block.

I feel better about Finn vs Nessie based on their respective comments (although honestly, have not been a fan of either one today).

Will definitely miss lynch close today since I have to drive 2.5 hours to take a 3 hour test, then drive back. So for now,

**********Lynch Nessie*********


Will likely head towards KC tomorrow, though, pending the info from this lynch & after spending more time on history.

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[PippyPony]

This got an eyebrow raise from me. A second wolf showing support for Abs, and this time when she only had one vote on her. Gets weirder later.




She continued to state she was mildly suspicious of Cyndia due to low post count. I'm not getting anything one way or another from this, but would like to hear thoughts from others.


The mention of Abs here had me raising my eyebrows again. This was a couple days after the first post. I can almost see the earlier post being a soft vouch for a fellow wolf, and then this being an attempt to back off that vouch since she knew she was likely going down soon.

I did say early on that the Abs egg would probably need to be cracked. Maybe not today but I'm feeling that more and more.

Agreed...I saw those posts, too, and it made me want to re-evaluate Abs. But, don't have time to do that justice today, unfortunately. Her voting history was also pretty villagery looking iirc.

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[PippyPony]

On the Cyndia front, I actually felt better about Cyndia after reading those AM comments. I don't see her trying to bus Cyndia hard when so many wolves were biting the dust.

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[allyphoe]

I'm not feeling kc as a wolf based on that d1 vote for Jil when things were so close with cdo. It's not the strongest thing but I just don't see a wolf voting that way in that situation.

Yeah, I personally am not suspicious of KC at the moment. Just didn't care for finn's reason.

 

[PippyPony]

Agreed...I saw those posts, too, and it made me want to re-evaluate Abs. But, don't have time to do that justice today, unfortunately. Her voting history was also pretty villagery looking iirc.

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As I'm sitting here thinking about this, I'm actually tempted to just vote for Abs now and find out if that Raf comment actually *was* what people thought it might be. But, since lone voters for Abs tend to end up dead, I'm not sure I want to be the sole person on that wagon LOL

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[WildZoo]

I do kinda see her as a good convert candidate, though, given that vote was D1. *Especially* if she was actually blocked by Zen, because then we'd do exactly what we're doing now -- clear her for at least a few cycles because of the block.

We don't even know that we're looking for converts yet so I'm not worrying about that at the moment. I get the feeling we have at least one more original.

 

[WildZoo]

Agreed...I saw those posts, too, and it made me want to re-evaluate Abs. But, don't have time to do that justice today, unfortunately. Her voting history was also pretty villagery looking iirc.

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Her voting history is clean, which doesn't necessarily mean village. I mean, I definitely don't want to lynch people just for voting for a wolf every day, but there's nothing in the context of her votes in this game that screams villager to me.

 

[Abnerrs]

This got an eyebrow raise from me. A second wolf showing support for Abs, and this time when she only had one vote on her. Gets weirder later.




She continued to state she was mildly suspicious of Cyndia due to low post count. I'm not getting anything one way or another from this, but would like to hear thoughts from others.


The mention of Abs here had me raising my eyebrows again. This was a couple days after the first post. I can almost see the earlier post being a soft vouch for a fellow wolf, and then this being an attempt to back off that vouch since she knew she was likely going down soon.

I did say early on that the Abs egg would probably need to be cracked. Maybe not today but I'm feeling that more and more.

Agreed...I saw those posts, too, and it made me want to re-evaluate Abs. But, don't have time to do that justice today, unfortunately. Her voting history was also pretty villagery looking iirc.

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As I'm sitting here thinking about this, I'm actually tempted to just vote for Abs now and find out if that Raf comment actually *was* what people thought it might be. But, since lone voters for Abs tend to end up dead, I'm not sure I want to be the sole person on that wagon LOL

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Her voting history is clean, which doesn't necessarily mean village. I mean, I definitely don't want to lynch people just for voting for a wolf every day, but there's nothing in the context of her votes in this game that screams villager to me.

I'm trying to figure out how to defend that but it's hard because if it were anyone else I'd probably be pretty suspicious of it too. I did however call out raf when she "vouched" for me asking when I'd been particularly helpful. Because I hadn't been. Shrug. Everyone dying when they vote for me??? 🤣 I dunno dudes

 

[Cyndia]

Honestly abs is kind of high on my list. It might just be her play style since I'm not very familiar with her, but she seems overly defensive to me anytime anyone starts to target her, combined with the slightly out of place soft vouches - that early one from raf primarily. But I do think the isolated kills on people who voted for her are a little strange, which is the only thing holding me back a little.

All that aside, I still think its more important to figure out nessie/finn since that'll give us more information from the last lynch. Finns defense is not the best, but I think nessie's was a lot weaker and passive sounding. I especially don't like the parallels to rafs comment that kc pointed out. I would never be okay with being lynched for information as a villager - because if I know I'm a villager, I'm not gonna let myself get killed for the greater good, especially over someone who I'm more suspicious of. So definitely picking nessie over finn today.

*******lynch nessie************

 

[Abnerrs]

Honestly abs is kind of high on my list. It might just be her play style since I'm not very familiar with her, but she seems overly defensive to me anytime anyone starts to target her, combined with the slightly out of place soft vouches - that early one from raf primarily. But I do think the isolated kills on people who voted for her are a little strange, which is the only thing holding me back a little.

All that aside, I still think its more important to figure out nessie/finn since that'll give us more information from the last lynch. Finns defense is not the best, but I think nessie's was a lot weaker and passive sounding. I especially don't like the parallels to rafs comment that kc pointed out. I would never be okay with being lynched for information as a villager - because if I know I'm a villager, I'm not gonna let myself get killed for the greater good, especially over someone who I'm more suspicious of. So definitely picking nessie over finn today.

*******lynch nessie************

I'm just addressing it as it comes up... 🙄

 

[finnickthedog]

My point is that I think people still voting for me right now are being lazy.

To clarify, I don't think they're being lazy because they're voting for me. I think they're being lazy and they're voting for me.

 

[allyphoe]

To clarify, I don't think they're being lazy because they're voting for me. I think they're being lazy and they're voting for me.

So accommodate their laziness, and tell them who you think they ought to be voting for.

 

[awesomenessity]

I would never be okay with being lynched for information as a villager - because if I know I'm a villager, I'm not gonna let myself get killed for the greater good, especially over someone who I'm more suspicious of. So definitely picking nessie over finn today.

*******lynch nessie************

Well let me justify it for you lol. There are more villagers than wolves. So if me getting lynched helps village get information, that will subsequently lead to a village win, then I am okay with it. The wolves won't win because one villager was lynched for information. Plus, there is basically nothing I can do to convince you guys I am village at this point. You've all decided I'm sketchy, I've attempted to defend myself a few times and it wasn't successful, so it's inevitable. I'm suspicious of Ally, I said why, I voted for her. Did my due diligence.

Unless you have suggestions on how to clear my name, then there's not really much I can do but keep maintaining I'm a villager I guess.

 

[deleted806434]

I don't really feel like my thoughts have changed significantly from yesterday. I'll admit that I am quite a bit more suspicious of ally after her vote for AM over nessy yesterday. It felt like a great way to get credit for hopping onto the AM by following Trilt (who most people agreed was likely village). The fact that Trilt shared these suspicions also gives them so merit in my opinion because she was killed last night after being suspicious.

I think I am going to stick with nessy today because I definitely have not been convinced to change my vote from yesterday. Also, nessy voting for AM a couple days before yesterday seems like a great way to claim village cred at a time when it wasn't particularly dangerous for the wolves if nessy voted that way

I will likely be coming back to ally tomorrow if nessy flips villager. I'm heading out to work, but I'll be back about an hour before lynch close to check in.

lynch nessy

 

[deleted806434]

sorry for the typos ARGH

 

[Coopah]

So I'm on a flight waiting to take off but I figured I'd get my vote in before we did, I will try to get on later if I can.

Lynch Nessie