Bartending, D.O., and public opinion

[vargant]

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This is just a little rant of mine:

As a bartender at a restaurant I see the vast array of different cliental from the public. In the past, whenever my customers have learned that I was applying to medical school, there was always a generic—but genuine—response of amazement and wow: “You must be really smart to be able to apply to medical school” while expressing gratitude that pursuing a medical career is an honorable thing to do and is a good career. Then the customer would usually ask what I am thinking about specializing in and I would mention that I was considering neurology. I would again get the generic response of “amazement and wow” and “You want to be a brain doctor!!!” HOWEVER, whenever I have not mentioned that I was applying to medical school and the customer and I are talking about the need to reform health care, another topic that is sometimes brought up by the customers are the doctors themselves. Not knowing that I am applying to medical school, some customers will talk about how the doctors don’t really do anything other than push drugs. So I’ve come to learned that there are some people out there who are very skeptical over doctors and current medicine (even though some of these customers do realize it is how the system is set up and being controlled by insurance companies that do not allow doctors to utilize the appropriate time for each patient). This is not to say, that these people are distrusting of doctors, medicine, or that there is generally a lack of quality, but there is sufficient room for improvement.

Lately, I have been considering pursuing a different approach to medicine: health education, disease prevention, nutrition, and utilizing pharmacological medicine as a last option. I want to be able to control my patients’ hormones, enzymes, flora, and overall health to the appropriate level that they should be. I also want to reduce oxidants within the body to prevent cancer as well. I’m also thinking about getting a master’s degree in nutrition after residency. Whenever I tell my customers what I currently want to do, I receive a different response: I receive a response, which is consistent with their body language, that this is something that is missing in health care. I see more enthusiasm, more passion, and experience a more in depth conversation from my customers over this type of medicine other than “medicine is a good career.”

Since I decided to pursue osteopathic medicine, which is consisent with the type of medicine I would like to pratice, I have also informed my “regulars” at the bar of my decision to pursue osteopathic medicine. They always ask the cliché questions: “What is osteopathic medicine; How is it different than a M.D. degree; So, would that mean you would be similar to a Physician Assistant?” After I informed and educated my customers over the similarities and differences between an M.D. and a D.O. degree, I would not say that they are jumping to go see a D.O. now (because this is still a new concept to them), but they are genuinely pleased to know that D.O. is an option while slightly confused that they didn’t realize that there was a different type of physician out there. They also even seemed more impressed with what D.O. is suppose to be about. I would even say those who I have told about osteopathic medicine and given the chance to choose between a M.D. and a D.O. for whatever specialty, a strong proportion would probably choose a D.O. based on how I viewed their discussion and body language with me.

This development of my pursuit to a D.O. degree, has lead to me conclude, Why hasn’t the AOA done more advertisement about a D.O. degree?

 

[Bacchus]

You do tell them the only difference is OMM, right? You seem very into homeopathy and I hope, for the sake of my future profession and my colleagues' future profession, you are not telling them the differences that you insinuated above. The below really concerns me and how you're describing the DO degree.

I want to be able to control my patients' hormones, enzymes, flora, and overall health to the appropriate level that they should be.

 

[Instatewaiter]

ummm... ok


so you drank to coolaid did you?

 

[Evergrey]

Should this be in the Pre-Osteopathic forum?

 

[nlax30]

While the DO philosophy involves helping the body heal itself and promoting health, it is by no means to the exclusion of current pharm threatment. With the exception of OMM you are going to getting the same basic education on the basic sciences no matter where you go. I will agree that overall I tend to think med schools should focus a little more on nutrition (DO and MD), but I know students who have more of an interest in preventative health and nutrition (like you seem to do) and just choose to take it on themselves to do some outside reading/studying on the topic.

I am all for preventative health, in proper nutrition, and in trying to integrate those aspects into the care of the patient...... but I don't think that's the major "problem" with healthcare right now. There are lots of good nutritionists, dietary counselors, and physicians focused on preventative health out there, BUT it's always going to come down to the patient taking responsibility for their own health. Next time someone comes up to you at the bar complaining about doctors and the current status of health care, ask them why they are standing at the bar with a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

 

[vargant]

You do tell them the only difference is OMM, right? You seem very into homeopathy and I hope, for the sake of my future profession and my colleagues' future profession, you are not telling them the differences that you insinuated above. The below really concerns me and how you're describing the DO degree.

I do tell them the main difference between a M.D. and a D.O. is a focused on the musculoskeletal system that incorporates OMM (how one system affects another system), with a focus on disease prevention and health education. Wanting to control my patients’ hormones, enzymes, flora, and overall health is disease prevention. Which is also why, I mentioned that I wanted to pursue a master’s degree in nutrition. If I have a very obese patient, I would focus on nutrition and appropriate pharmacology while tapering off those drugs over time once the weight (and most likely diabetes) is more manageable and well under control.

I could see why from your viewpoint that I was diving more into homeopathy. Nevertheless, I am an advocate for evidence based medicine for complementary and alternative medicine. If research doesn’t support it, then don’t use it.

 

[DrMattOglesby]

that's a lot of 'extra' educational pursuits leading to more and more degrees.
While I agree with you that the current medical curriculum doesn't give nearly enough consideration towards nutrition, I think you should be able to cover a lot of what you would want to learn during CME credits and weekend seminars.
but im probably saying this because im slightly older and just want to get my stuff done so i can start doctoring already 😳

 

[vargant]

While the DO philosophy involves helping the body heal itself and promoting health, it is by no means to the exclusion of current pharm threatment.

nlax30, I am not at all excluding pharmacological treatment. But you do have to admit, it is the main form of treatment. When I was shadowing a physician, one of the patient expressed interest in wanting to eat right to lower his cholesterol. The doctor said, “Ok, do that. Here’s your script.” To me, this was an all-or-none case. I think nutrition and pharm. drugs should go hand in hand when appropriate while drugs should be tapered down over time.

I am all for preventative health, in proper nutrition, and in trying to integrate those aspects into the care of the patient...... but I don't think that's the major "problem" with healthcare right now.

I do think one of the major problems (outside of the 46 million uninsured) in health care is that people don’t know how to take care of themselves—hence, obesity. When I was waiting tables, I would have customers who are 150 pounds overweight, deny the free bread because they were on a diet. They then order a diet coke, followed by chicken marsala (rich in butter), fettuccine alfredo, and a thick, creamy parmesan dressing for the salad (a heart attack meal—counter productive). This is why I want to focus on health education.

 

[nlax30]

I would be willing to bet that those people knew that that meal wasn't the best choice they could have chosen., but they like it and weren't willing to give it up. It's easy to switch to something like a diet soda, and even turning down the bread could be easy to do and ease their mind, but they just weren't willing to really sacrifice something in their diet.

And the doc who just old the patient to "eat right", I highly doubt what you saw was the only interaction that physician had with the patient and some sort of info on health eating and cholesterol had been previously given, for all you know the patient was just trying to please the doc and appear as if they were genuinely interested in eating health and the doc knew this from past history.

If that was their only real interaction and the doc hadn't shown any effort (then or previously) to advice the patient on health eating either through talking with them, pamphlets, nutrition consult, etc.... then shame on him and let that encourage you to be better in that arena

Just trying to play a little devil advocates here. I think you should definitely learn what you can on nutrition and preventative health and incorporate that into your practice. But in real practice you could probably sit down with your patient for an hour going through a diet and still have them come back to you months later for some sort of checkup and they'll flat out ask how they can lose weight, eat better, etc....

 

[Pony46]

I think you mean naturopathic.

Homeopathic is a form of medicine where you dilute an herb or medicine down until it is not detectable and then give that extremely dilute version to your patient. Its theory is complicated but has its base in very esoteric notions of holograms----I am about 99% sure this is homeopathic medicine.

Whereas, Naturopathic is when you work with herbs and nutrition and other alternative therapies( colonics, visualization ...).Naturopathic training is less rigorous and does not require a standardized test for admission at this point, I believe. While the school is four years and they have gross anatomy, surgery is replaced by herbal medicine and alternative therapy training in school. ND's are licensed to practice as primary care doctors, I believe in 12 states.


Anyway this is the basic info that I think I know 🙂 take it for what it is worth.


In regard to healthcare it is both - so many uninsured as well as societies inability to educate/support/ you name it/ its citizens abilities to live and understand healthy living...that is unless you are both lucky and unusual.

 

[GreenShirt]

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nlax30, I am not at all excluding pharmacological treatment. But you do have to admit, it is the main form of treatment. When I was shadowing a physician, one of the patient expressed interest in wanting to eat right to lower his cholesterol. The doctor said, “Ok, do that. Here’s your script.” To me, this was an all-or-none case. I think nutrition and pharm. drugs should go hand in hand when appropriate while drugs should be tapered down over time.

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I do think one of the major problems (outside of the 46 million uninsured) in health care is that people don’t know how to take care of themselves—hence, obesity. When I was waiting tables, I would have customers who are 150 pounds overweight, deny the free bread because they were on a diet. They then order a diet coke, followed by chicken marsala (rich in butter), fettuccine alfredo, and a thick, creamy parmesan dressing for the salad (a heart attack meal—counter productive). This is why I want to focus on health education.

It's true that proper fitness and nutrition are crucial to maintaining good health. Diabetes, HTN, high cholesterol, obesity are major problems in society and related to diet and exercise. However, doctors are generally not experts in these areas. The reason being that physician's simply don't have the time to sit down with the patient and plan out a healthy menu and weekly exercise routine for them to purse. You have only 15min with the patient every 3 months-1 year. That's not enough time to educate someone, create a plan, and get them to adhere to it. The best option is to have a nutritionist or fitness expert on staff in your office so that you can refer people for this kind of management. Or at least be aware of these resources in the community.

Yes, you will push drugs if you go to medical school because that is what your training is in. You're not a personal trainer or Jenny Craig.

 

[slick27]

We can educate people about proper nutrition, alcohol, smoking, etc... People are not going to change unless they want to. I actually think most know about proper nutrition, but they choose not to follow it. It just takes too much work or some other excuss. I actually got asks a question on one of my interviews regarding smoking. It went as follows,"If you saw someone smoking on the street corner would you stop and say something? Then, would they stop smoking if you did?" My response was I would stop and inform them of the negatives of smoking, but I don't think they would listen since smoking is an addiction.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I think that the AOA should have run an ad during the super bowl: "DO: just as good as MD" could be the catch phrase.

One thing that you have to understand about the general public is that they are ******ed, with a collective IQ of 28. I was a bartender myself in college. In my experience as a bartender, the average sorority girl thinks that Absolut and Stoli are good vodkas, and that Coors Lite is a viable form of beer.

The same principle is at work here. Why do these people need to be spoon-fed the so-called difference between MD and DO or DO and PA, when they can't even tell the difference bwtween Coors Lite and beer?

There are more important things that these people need to understand before they need to learn advanced concepts like MD/DO.

 

[spicedmanna]

One thing that you have to understand about the general public is that they are ******ed, with a collective IQ of 28. I was a bartender myself in college. In my experience as a bartender, the average sorority girl thinks that Absolut and Stoli are good vodkas, and that Coors Lite is a viable form of beer.

Exactly. You have to approach your audience appropriately. I wouldn't spending too much time pontificating about osteopathic medicine to people at a bar, or sharing theories about preventive medicine or whatnot. I probably wouldn't even bring up the subject, but if it came into the conversation that I was going for a DO, I'd just tell them that it's the same as an MD w/ the addition of manual medicine. Keep it simple.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I think that the AOA should have run an ad during the super bowl: "DO: just as good as MD" could be the catch phrase.

One thing that you have to understand about the general public is that they are ******ed, with a collective IQ of 28. I was a bartender myself in college. In my experience as a bartender, the average sorority girl thinks that Absolut and Stoli are good vodkas, and that Coors Lite is a viable form of beer.

The same principle is at work here. Why do these people need to be spoon-fed the so-called difference between MD and DO or DO and PA, when they can't even tell the difference bwtween Coors Lite and beer?

There are more important things that these people need to understand before they need to learn advanced concepts like MD/DO.

Beautiful ... it's nice to hear common sense/life experience on the boards.

 

[Pony46]

As funny or partially true as the comments which Texas makes might be..
or as often as I might get angry over such notions....

I feel like believing ( and likely therefore insinuating through action) that the"general public" is unable to comprehend how to change or help themselves- to be giving up on some level.
And with giving up I fear that it is just fueling the problem which is complained about or is of concern.

Also I do not think that I would be too pleased to know that someone did not bother to try to help me because they assumed that I would not get it...

 

[vargant]

TexasTriathelete, I’m confused on something, what is coors lite? I’ve heard it pronounced kuurs lite (J/k, I’m from the south and constantly hear sweat tay for sweet tea). However, I do think the public, that is to say the masses of ignorance spooned fed by mass media, do need to be educated about osteopathy; albeit, not heavily—just enough so that AOA can get the name D.O. out there. No mass campaign or anything. Not because this will affect the D.O.s in a hospital setting or a more general awareness of OMM, but for those who are trying to set up a private practice as a D.O. My girlfriend was sitting in a café studying, and over heard a group of people who were furious with the local hospital: “How did they have the audacity to give my husband a fake doctor. He wasn’t even a M.D., some D.O. or whatever. My husband already decided to go to another hospital.” I recently went to my M.D. allergist and told him that I was moving and needed to find a new allergist. He asked where, and I told him that I was accepted into medical school. We talked about medical school, he asked me which one. He said he hasn’t heard of it. I told him it was a D.O. school. He said that was great, and the difference between a D.O. and a M.D. is the difference between a D.D.S. and a D.M.D for dentistry, and that my parents must be proud. The marginal difference in the public eye between a M.D. and a D.O., to beat a dead horse, is becoming slim, but not nil.

The reason being that physician's simply don't have the time to sit down with the patient and plan out a healthy menu and weekly exercise routine for them to purse. You have only 15min with the patient every 3 months-1 year. That's not enough time to educate someone, create a plan, and get them to adhere to it. The best option is to have a nutritionist or fitness expert on staff in your office so that you can refer people for this kind of management. Or at least be aware of these resources in the community.

GreenShirt, couldn’t agree with you more. And the reason is because insurance companies dictate how we are paid. Although we know, the more patients we see, the more money we make at the expense of the patients; however, it is the system that needs to be changed, and none of that universal health coverage (unless you mean every one has health coverage not run via the government) either. Insurance companies do not have a medical degree; therefore, how can they dictate what a physician can or can not do? Medicine needs to be individualized. I think it would be awesome for a physician office to have a nutritionist as well.

I have heard of some doctors only taking in a limited number of patients, and these patients have unlimited access to them. The doctors are making bank, and the patients are receiving better health care as a result. The pay one price for one year, and get whatever they wanted from the physician (within reason, no heart transplants for example unless its part of the contract). I have also heard of a doctor up north, who is offering health insurance directly to his patients; therefore, cutting the insurance companies as the middle person out of the loop. However, the insurance companies started to intervene on this particular person.

 

[Pony46]

TexasTriathelete, I’m confused on something, what is coors lite? I’ve heard it pronounced kuurs lite (J/k, I’m from the south and constantly hear sweat tay for sweet tea). However, I do think the public, that is to say the masses of ignorance spooned fed by mass media, do need to be educated about osteopathy; albeit, not heavily—just enough so that AOA can get the name D.O. out there. No mass campaign or anything. Not because this will affect the D.O.s in a hospital setting or a more general awareness of OMM, but for those who are trying to set up a private practice as a D.O. My girlfriend was sitting in a café studying, and over heard a group of people who were furious with the local hospital: “How did they have the audacity to give my husband a fake doctor. He wasn’t even a M.D., some D.O. or whatever. My husband already decided to go to another hospital.” I recently went to my M.D. allergist and told him that I was moving and needed to find a new allergist. He asked where, and I told him that I was accepted into medical school. We talked about medical school, he asked me which one. He said he hasn’t heard of it. I told him it was a D.O. school. He said that was great, and the difference between a D.O. and a M.D. is the difference between a D.D.S. and a D.M.D for dentistry, and that my parents must be proud. The marginal difference in the public eye between a M.D. and a D.O., to beat a dead horse, is becoming slim, but not nil.


Wait😕...my response to Texas was not in support of mass advertising of D.O. nor against simple responses to the difference between
D.O.& M.D....

But rather in regard to treating people...

😳

 

[hermit]

If I have a very obese patient, I would focus on nutrition and appropriate pharmacology while tapering off those drugs over time once the weight (and most likely diabetes) is more manageable and well under control.

You definitely need the DO philosophy for this kind of insight.

 

[nlax30]

GreenShirt, couldn’t agree with you more. And the reason is because insurance companies dictate how we are paid. Although we know, the more patients we see, the more money we make at the expense of the patients; however, it is the system that needs to be changed, and none of that universal health coverage (unless you mean every one has health coverage not run via the government) either. Insurance companies do not have a medical degree; therefore, how can they dictate what a physician can or can not do? Medicine needs to be individualized. I think it would be awesome for a physician office to have a nutritionist as well.

I have heard of some doctors only taking in a limited number of patients, and these patients have unlimited access to them. The doctors are making bank, and the patients are receiving better health care as a result. The pay one price for one year, and get whatever they wanted from the physician (within reason, no heart transplants for example unless its part of the contract). I have also heard of a doctor up north, who is offering health insurance directly to his patients; therefore, cutting the insurance companies as the middle person out of the loop. However, the insurance companies started to intervene on this particular person.

We've had a couple of docs lecture who had done some sort concierge practice like that at some point in their career and they said it was very successful for them. Can depend a LOT on your location though and the demographics you're serving.

If you haven't already, you should do some reading on (and keep an eye) this whole "medical home" concept and placing the primary care doc and patient at the center of the medical care. Along with the possibility of including more incentives that would encourage the doc to provide more preventative care services.

Right now the emphasis (and $$ rewards) is on procedures and reactive care, so it'll be interesting to see if the pendulum starts to swing the other direction like I've heard some say.

 

[BabyKangaroo]

You definitely need the DO philosophy for this kind of insight.

🙄

 

[vargant]

If you haven't already, you should do some reading on (and keep an eye) this whole "medical home" concept and placing the primary care doc and patient at the center of the medical care. Along with the possibility of including more incentives that would encourage the doc to provide more preventative care services.

Right now the emphasis (and $$ rewards) is on procedures and reactive care, so it'll be interesting to see if the pendulum starts to swing the other direction like I've heard some say.

Thanks nlax30, I'll have to look into what you are talking about.

 

[Jamers]

I do tell them the main difference between a M.D. and a D.O. is a focused on the musculoskeletal system that incorporates OMM (how one system affects another system), with a focus on disease prevention and health education. Wanting to control my patients’ hormones, enzymes, flora, and overall health is disease prevention. Which is also why, I mentioned that I wanted to pursue a master’s degree in nutrition. If I have a very obese patient, I would focus on nutrition and appropriate pharmacology while tapering off those drugs over time once the weight (and most likely diabetes) is more manageable and well under control.

I could see why from your viewpoint that I was diving more into homeopathy. Nevertheless, I am an advocate for evidence based medicine for complementary and alternative medicine. If research doesn’t support it, then don’t use it.

This is what EVERY competent physician does, not just Osteopathic ones.

 

[Ki45toryu]

This is what EVERY competent physician does, not just Osteopathic ones.

exactly...it doesnt take some initials after your name to apply concepts to your practice

 

[Jamers]

I think that the AOA should have run an ad during the super bowl: "DO: just as good as MD" could be the catch phrase.

One thing that you have to understand about the general public is that they are ******ed, with a collective IQ of 28. I was a bartender myself in college. In my experience as a bartender, the average sorority girl thinks that Absolut and Stoli are good vodkas, and that Coors Lite is a viable form of beer.

The same principle is at work here. Why do these people need to be spoon-fed the so-called difference between MD and DO or DO and PA, when they can't even tell the difference bwtween Coors Lite and beer?

There are more important things that these people need to understand before they need to learn advanced concepts like MD/DO.

You forgot that they have an IQ of 28 and are sheep following whatever call is loudest.

Also, coors light rocks.

 

[binko]

I like Absolut.

 

[J1515]

I hate to go off on a tangent, but...well I will anyway since someone mentioned this in this thread. Nutrition is important, nutrition is everything, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...I love how all the idealistic pre-meds keep going on and on about how important nutrition is, as if all you have to do is tell a patient "eat healthy or you will have an MI" and that will solve all their problems.

For those of you who haven't stepped foot in a hospital yet, people KNOW that burger king and mcdonalds isn't healthy. People KNOW smoking isn't healthy. You don't need a 2 year degree in nutrition to know that. But they don't care because it tastes good. You can talk until you your lips fall off, it won't matter. Use me as an example, I'm about to graduate from medical school. I'm well aware of how damaging trans fats, sat fats, and elevated cholesterol is, but I don't care. I still eat whoppers with cheese, I still love anything deep fried. I've listened to hours upon hours of lectures and seen first hand the damage this crap does on the floors, but myself and the rest of the patient population doesn't care.

My #1 pet peeve are these idealistic naive health nuts who think that if we dedicated an entire year of medical school to learning about nutrition, all of a sudden patients would start listening to their doctors and we'd actually save lives. The fact is, everyone has this 'it'll never happen to me' attitude. Lecturing patients about nutrition will do nothing to change that.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I also hate to go off on a tangent, but absolut might as well be a well vodka. It is seriously one of the worst products on the market. It comes in a pretty bottle, and is marketed towards the ******ed populations of college campuses, based on the fact that these people like to decorate their apartments with the bottles after they're empty.

I did this at one time. I don't have a ****ing clue why.

 

[udsoccer7]

I hate to go off on a tangent, but...well I will anyway since someone mentioned this in this thread. Nutrition is important, nutrition is everything, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...I love how all the idealistic pre-meds keep going on and on about how important nutrition is, as if all you have to do is tell a patient "eat healthy or you will have an MI" and that will solve all their problems.

For those of you who haven't stepped foot in a hospital yet, people KNOW that burger king and mcdonalds isn't healthy. People KNOW smoking isn't healthy. You don't need a 2 year degree in nutrition to know that. But they don't care because it tastes good. You can talk until you your lips fall off, it won't matter. Use me as an example, I'm about to graduate from medical school. I'm well aware of how damaging trans fats, sat fats, and elevated cholesterol is, but I don't care. I still eat whoppers with cheese, I still love anything deep fried. I've listened to hours upon hours of lectures and seen first hand the damage this crap does on the floors, but myself and the rest of the patient population doesn't care.

My #1 pet peeve are these idealistic naive health nuts who think that if we dedicated an entire year of medical school to learning about nutrition, all of a sudden patients would start listening to their doctors and we'd actually save lives. The fact is, everyone has this 'it'll never happen to me' attitude. Lecturing patients about nutrition will do nothing to change that.

👍👍👍 Completely Agree!👍👍👍

 

[Bacchus]

I also hate to go off on a tangent, but absolut might as well be a well vodka. It is seriously one of the worst products on the market. It comes in a pretty bottle, and is marketed towards the ******ed populations of college campuses, based on the fact that these people like to decorate their apartments with the bottles after they're empty.

I did this at one time. I don't have a ****ing clue why.

Aye, I'd only use Absolut in my lab to possibly kill bacteria... if it can even do that.

 

[J1515]

I also hate to go off on a tangent, but absolut might as well be a well vodka. It is seriously one of the worst products on the market. It comes in a pretty bottle, and is marketed towards the ******ed populations of college campuses, based on the fact that these people like to decorate their apartments with the bottles after they're empty.

I did this at one time. I don't have a ****ing clue why.

You forgot to mention it tastes like isopropyl alcohol.

 

[binko]

You forgot to mention it tastes like isopropyl alcohol.

They don't make vanilla flavored isopropyl alcohol, to my knowledge.

 

[p30doc]

They don't make vanilla flavored isopropyl alcohol, to my knowledge.

just mix with vanilla extract

 

[engineeredout]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.

 

[engineeredout]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.

 

[engineeredout]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.

 

[engineeredout]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.

 

[engineeredout]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.





/end of my completely ADD post

 

[Semicolon]

Why the heck did you just quintuple-post?!

And yeah, I totally agree: Blue Moon is the best. 😀

 

[engineeredout]

Why the heck did you just quintuple-post?!

And yeah, I totally agree: Blue Moon is the best. 😀

I REALLY wanted to get my point across 👍

 

[nlax30]

Why the heck did you just quintuple-post?!

It's Chuck Norris, best you not question him.....

 

[JaggerPlate]

Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Are you joking??? Gin is the FINEST of the hard alcohols. So great. Bombay ain't bad either.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Ummm why the hell do I now have a mortal kombat power bar that represents my 'reputation' and a little balance/scale thing on my avatar???

 

[nlax30]

Ummm why the hell do I now have a mortal kombat power bar that represents my 'reputation' and a little balance/scale thing on my avatar???

General thought is it's SDN's April Fools Day gift to us.

 

[Semicolon]

General thought is it's SDN's April Fools Day gift to us.

I seriously hope so. I enjoy judging someone's credibility and helpfulness based on a number that is directly proportional to the time one could have been spending on something more productive.

Or maybe SDN has gone the way of DO schools and decided that they should look beyond the numbers.

(I'm kidding! 😀)

It's Chuck Norris, best you not question him.....

 

[niranjan162]

Blue Moon FTW.

Also Rickards Red, but I've never seen it anywhere but in Canada.

And yeah I agree with Tex, Vodka is ****. I'm polish, I should have vodka running through my veins, but I hate it. I mean, its good for what its used for; getting ****faced at a party. Other then that its undrinkable.


Worst liquor in the world: Bombay Sapphire Gin.

Anyone like scotch? People give me weird looks and ask me why I drink scotch when I'm 22, but nobody has a problem with whiskey? Johnnie Walker rocks.

When I'm a dermatologist (as is my required premed dream that will never come to fruitition because I'm going to DO school) and making an easy 500k/year popping pimples, I'm going to surround myself with bottle of Johnnie Blue. It'll be like a dorm room but not bottles of 50 different flavors of absolute which smell good but all taste the same.





/end of my completely ADD post

I prefer my fruit and beer separate. And then I leave the fruit for everyone else to eat.

If your gonna go whiskey I gotta go with the irish whiskeys.

 

[0Complications]

Blue Moon FTW.

Why the heck did you just quintuple-post?!

And yeah, I totally agree: Blue Moon is the best. 😀

You guys know that Blue Moon is a Coors beer right?

That stuff is like beer with pulp... But I guess you ladies can get an orange to make it taste all sweet.

They do/did make a seasonal brew, Full Moon. Now that was pretty tasty.

But there are so many better beers:

1554
Guiness
Harp
Tommyknocker Maple Mmmmm, this stuff is like candy.

 

[0Complications]

I prefer my fruit and beer separate. And then I leave the fruit for everyone else to eat.

If your gonna go whiskey I gotta go with the irish whiskeys.

I'd go with Crown on the rocks. Good stuff.

 

[Element]

I think that the AOA should have run an ad during the super bowl: "DO: just as good as MD" could be the catch phrase.

One thing that you have to understand about the general public is that they are ******ed, with a collective IQ of 28. I was a bartender myself in college. In my experience as a bartender, the average sorority girl thinks that Absolut and Stoli are good vodkas, and that Coors Lite is a viable form of beer.

The same principle is at work here. Why do these people need to be spoon-fed the so-called difference between MD and DO or DO and PA, when they can't even tell the difference bwtween Coors Lite and beer?

There are more important things that these people need to understand before they need to learn advanced concepts like MD/DO.

Gotta agree here. I too was once a sultan of the sloshed and beyond their meek understanding of the drink specials at Happy Hour, their BS babble is limited. When they find themselves in an debate/discussion, its time for me to pour them another to fuel the belief that theyre right. Their understnading of the health system needs to be more than basic before they grasp the concept of different types of practical medicine. I can't remember how many times something so simple as the diff. between psychologist and psychiatrist became interchangable - let alone MD and DO.

 

[engineeredout]

You guys know that Blue Moon is a Coors beer right?

That stuff is like beer with pulp... But I guess you ladies can get an orange to make it taste all sweet.

They do/did make a seasonal brew, Full Moon. Now that was pretty tasty.

But there are so many better beers:

Bite my shiney metal ass.

I didn't like the seasonal brews as much as the regular. One of them, harvest moon I think, was just awful.