Base pay for dentist after residency

[faith101]

What is a good minimum base pay for dentist after completing GPR/AEGD?

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[pubhealthdent]

Depends on many factors, location probably being the biggest determinant. Where are you considering working? Urban, rural, private practice, public health?

 

[faith101]

private practice in a suburban town in the northeast

 

[pubhealthdent]

I would think it'd be safe to say you could plan to make between $140-180k in your first year. I think that is pretty average across the country. But still very dependent on a number of other factors like

• what procedures you will/won't be doing,
• how many hours per week you'll work,
• Whether you'll be paid on collections vs production
• Your speed
• How busy the office is

 

[Svart Aske]

How about doing a basic search on this forum and Google?

 

[faith101]

so if a job offers you a certain percent production or collection with a base minimum guaranteed per day, what’s a good number? Is $600 too low? Is $700 fair? Is $800 too much to ask?

 

[pubhealthdent]

Well assuming you were to take 4 weeks off/year, 600/day would end up being $144k and 800/day would be $198k. Obviously this would be different depending on how much time off you'll get. From what I've seen, $600-700 seems to be average for the east coast.

My situation is very different from yours so I can only speculate so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

One thing you could consider is requesting a re-evaluation of your production and potential adjustment to your salary after 6 months or one year if you think you'll be able to produce more than the average new grad

 

[321931]

Ownership in Private Practice.

 

[FanOfCostco]

Base pay will be the same with or without residency. The only leg up you have is experience over a new grad. This is speaking from experience.

 

[P7898]

Base pay will be the same with or without residency. The only leg up you have is experience over a new grad. This is speaking from experience.

Partially true from what I have seen of my friends. It will put you in a better situation when applying for jobs that have a higher base pay. So essentially could result in higher base.

But the highest base pay is ownership.

 

[distressstudent]

Wouldn't really matter.

The base pay should be calculated for the practice based on market rate on what it takes to recruit a dentist, and what's still profitable for a practice to retain a dentist even if he doesn't produce much.

If they have expectation that you would be better than a new graduate, then it should be reflected on the production side of things where you production pay would outpace your base pay

 

[FanOfCostco]

Wouldn't really matter.

The base pay should be calculated for the practice based on market rate on what it takes to recruit a dentist, and what's still profitable for a practice to retain a dentist even if he doesn't produce much.

If they have expectation that you would be better than a new graduate, then it should be reflected on the production side of things where you production pay would outpace your base pay

Best response ever. Get this man a crown prep.

 

[ElCubanito]

AGR/New Grad....same same. Kind of hard to break the $600/day base pay as newbie. Some places (Gentle Dental) do not even pay base pay and only operate on production. Try to avoid DSO and find a private practice that has good mentor-ship potential. I ask for $800/day or 30% production, I wouldn't even get out of bed for $600. My area is really hard to find dentists that want to work so I abuse the situation. Dont ever work for collections because you will get ****ed...

 

[Rambunctious]

What is a good minimum base pay for dentist after completing GPR/AEGD?

That year of GPR/AEGD is not looked at differently than if you are a fresh grad. people use it to beef up their resume to get accepted by actual specialty programs. if you do it to get more experience, you're wasting your time because there's honestly nothing that's going to give you more skill than actually working and seeing 25-35 patients a day.

 

[Screwtape]

That year of GPR/AEGD is not looked at differently than if you are a fresh grad. people use it to beef up their resume to get accepted by actual specialty programs. if you do it to get more experience, you're wasting your time because there's honestly nothing that's going to give you more skill than actually working and seeing 25-35 patients a day.

Definitely am gonna have to disagree with this. I did a GPR where I came out comfortable with big extraction cases/grafting/implants/immed dentures, most endo including first molars, and bigger fixed and removable cases. My first year I out produced more than a dentist who was in PP for 3 years and blew away the person with 1 year experience. Definitely a lot of factors here, but if you do a solid GPR/AEGD it should put you light years in front of most recent grads (1-3 years out) in production potential which can mean a much bigger paycheck. But as someone mentioned above, my base was the same as all the new hires. I just produced more because I am comfortable doing more. I work in a group private practice, not DSO.

 

[Screwtape]

I'm sure your boss (owner dentist) is very happy to have you in his/her practice.

It is a mutually beneficial relationship. When I do transition into ownership I would prefer a slower pace but right now I’m putting in a lot of reps (learning a lot) while enjoying the money and freedom of being just an employee.

 

[Rambunctious]

Definitely am gonna have to disagree with this. I did a GPR where I came out comfortable with big extraction cases/grafting/implants/immed dentures, most endo including first molars, and bigger fixed and removable cases. My first year I out produced more than a dentist who was in PP for 3 years and blew away the person with 1 year experience. Definitely a lot of factors here, but if you do a solid GPR/AEGD it should put you light years in front of most recent grads (1-3 years out) in production potential which can mean a much bigger paycheck. But as someone mentioned above, my base was the same as all the new hires. I just produced more because I am comfortable doing more. I work in a group private practice, not DSO.

It's a case by case thing because I blew the GPR associate out of the water when it came to procedures and daily production. It comes down to the motivation of the individual, training in dental school and training in GPR/AEGD. It's hard to generalize either way, I will give you that. In my specific case, I did not need a year of GPR/AEGD.

 

[Screwtape]

It's a case by case thing because I blew the GPR associate out of the water when it came to procedures and daily production. It comes down to the motivation of the individual, training in dental school and training in GPR/AEGD. It's hard to generalize either way, I will give you that. In my specific case, I did not need a year of GPR/AEGD.

For sure, not all GPR/AEGDs are created equal. But there are some that definitely will put you ahead of the game. And some that are a waste of a year lol.

 

[fellowstudent92]

How do you know if you go to a good GPR/AEGD program, one that will likely provide you with years of experience?

 

[Tooth_spectator]

It is a mutually beneficial relationship. When I do transition into ownership I would prefer a slower pace but right now I’m putting in a lot of reps (learning a lot) while enjoying the money and freedom of being just an employee.

Where did you do your GPR/AEGD??

 

[Screwtape]

How do you know if you go to a good GPR/AEGD program, one that will likely provide you with years of experience?

Do your research around dental town and here. Reach out to program directors and get numbers of procedures, get current or recently completed resident contact information and ask them about their experience. It can take time and can be annoying, but definitely can be worth it.

 

[Screwtape]

Where did you do your GPR/AEGD??

Large city VA GPR.

 

[cloth_alert00]

That year of GPR/AEGD is not looked at differently than if you are a fresh grad. people use it to beef up their resume to get accepted by actual specialty programs. if you do it to get more experience, you're wasting your time because there's honestly nothing that's going to give you more skill than actually working and seeing 25-35 patients a day.

Most new grads have barely done any molar endo, implant placement, surgical ext, complex fixed cases, restoring implants and many more of the profitable cases in private practice. There are some AEGDs/GPRs where residents do over 50 implants and 100s of endo. How would this not command a higher pay based off % production?

 

[P7898]

Most new grads have barely done any molar endo, implant placement, surgical ext, complex fixed cases, restoring implants and many more of the profitable cases in private practice. There are some AEGDs/GPRs where residents do over 50 implants and 100s of endo. How would this not command a higher pay based off % production?

It would.

 

[P7898]

But you have to have the patient pool for that to produce. So you have to find an associateship that has patients lined up for that or are referring a lot of surgery and endo

 

[Rambunctious]

Most new grads have barely done any molar endo, implant placement, surgical ext, complex fixed cases, restoring implants and many more of the profitable cases in private practice. There are some AEGDs/GPRs where residents do over 50 implants and 100s of endo. How would this not command a higher pay based off % production?

Really? please show me actual proof (not hearsay) that these residents do over "100s of endos" ?

let me drop some actual facts on you real quick from (Endodontic Treatment Statistics - American Association of Endodontists)
in 2005-2006

• 15.2 million/68% were performed by general dentists (There are 200,000 US dentists so that translates to 75 RCT procedures per dentist) How the hell does a resident out perform a practicing general dentist on root canals? There's no absolute way to justify AEGD/GPR to someone other than them using it as a way to beef up their resume for them to get accepted to other actual speciality schools.

I'm two years out from dental school, purchased a practice, it grossed 1.2 mil last year and I have no AEGD/GPR. Tell me again what that residency would have done for me?

 

[cloth_alert00]

Really? please show me actual proof (not hearsay) that these residents do over "100s of endos" ?

let me drop some actual facts on you real quick from (Endodontic Treatment Statistics - American Association of Endodontists)
in 2005-2006

• 15.2 million/68% were performed by general dentists (There are 200,000 US dentists so that translates to 75 RCT procedures per dentist) How the hell does a resident out perform a practicing general dentist on root canals? There's no absolute way to justify AEGD/GPR to someone other than them using it as a way to beef up their resume for them to get accepted to other actual speciality schools.

I'm two years out from dental school, purchased a practice, it grossed 1.2 mil last year and I have no AEGD/GPR. Tell me again what that residency would have done for me?

I think it's great you grossed over 1.2M. It makes me happy to know my colleagues are doing well. There is a lot of gloom and doom about the future of dentistry on these forums. Posts like this are definitely good to see.

 

[P7898]

Really? please show me actual proof (not hearsay) that these residents do over "100s of endos" ?

let me drop some actual facts on you real quick from (Endodontic Treatment Statistics - American Association of Endodontists)
in 2005-2006

• 15.2 million/68% were performed by general dentists (There are 200,000 US dentists so that translates to 75 RCT procedures per dentist) How the hell does a resident out perform a practicing general dentist on root canals? There's no absolute way to justify AEGD/GPR to someone other than them using it as a way to beef up their resume for them to get accepted to other actual speciality schools.

I'm two years out from dental school, purchased a practice, it grossed 1.2 mil last year and I have no AEGD/GPR. Tell me again what that residency would have done for me?

I think the point was if you only did 1 molar endo and then went to a residency where you were able to do 30 molar endo.... you'd be more proficient at it. Plus if you mess up or need to get bailed out you have faculty there to help with that. The point wasn't about being productive. Being productive is a characteristic and a trait in my mind. We are talking about getting in reps with specialty procedures along side specialists and then entering the workforce. If you can do specialty procedures and are paid on production then you can "produce" more per say. Now I can do a crown prep in 10 minutes and a bridge prep in about 30 mins so it all depends on what kind of patient pool you have.

 

[maxFax2020]

Really? please show me actual proof (not hearsay) that these residents do over "100s of endos" ?

let me drop some actual facts on you real quick from (Endodontic Treatment Statistics - American Association of Endodontists)
in 2005-2006

• 15.2 million/68% were performed by general dentists (There are 200,000 US dentists so that translates to 75 RCT procedures per dentist) How the hell does a resident out perform a practicing general dentist on root canals? There's no absolute way to justify AEGD/GPR to someone other than them using it as a way to beef up their resume for them to get accepted to other actual speciality schools.

I'm two years out from dental school, purchased a practice, it grossed 1.2 mil last year and I have no AEGD/GPR. Tell me again what that residency would have done for me?

It would have made no difference. The whole AEGD/GPR thing is such a training wheel mentality. If you want to be a General Dentist go be a General Dentist.