Baylor vs. UT undergrad

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Hey! I'm a freshman and planning to transfer next year. I'm looking for the school with the best pre med advising, research opportunities, mcat preparation etc. If anyone can help me decide on the two that'd be greatly appreciated!

Other school suggestions are welcome as well. 🙂

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Hey! I'm a freshman and planning to transfer next year. I'm looking for the school with the best pre med advising, research opportunities, mcat preparation etc. If anyone can help me decide on the two that'd be greatly appreciated!

Other school suggestions are welcome as well. 🙂

Lol a month into college and knows where to consider transfer.

You're looking for a private school. Heads-up so you're disappointed now instead of later: no college offers "MCAT preparation," unless you meant course rigor, but I doubt that.
 
I actually didn't want to go to my current school in the first place but due to some circumstances had to.
And about the MCAT prep I've heard of schools offering such things.
 
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Hey! I'm a freshman and planning to transfer next year. I'm looking for the school with the best pre med advising, research opportunities, mcat preparation etc. If anyone can help me decide on the two that'd be greatly appreciated!

Other school suggestions are welcome as well. 🙂

Save yourself an extra 100K and go to UT. This is coming from a Baylor grad.
 
I'm a senior at UT Austin and I like it here. But since the school and classes are so big you really have to watch out for yourself. If you begin to flounder, no one will notice and no one will care unless you make a point of helping yourself and going to office hours etc.

The pre-health advisors are fantastic. Pre-med groups are active, although I have a.... not-so-great opinion about the pre-pharm one (but you are in the pre-med forum so w/e.) My classes have prepared me very well for the MCAT, imo.

PM me if you want more info.
 
UT. Great university and cheaper. Instead, save the $$$ for med school if you want ''big names''🙄
 
Thanks for the insight everyone!
So basically the biggest issue is the cost? If not so expensive would you all still choose UT?
 
And since the school is so large and I suspect there are a large number of pre meds are there enough research opportunities available or is that not a problem
 
Thanks for the insight everyone!
So basically the biggest issue is the cost? If not so expensive would you all still choose UT?
Yes.
It also depends where you want to spend the next 5 years of your life.
 
And since the school is so large and I suspect there are a large number of pre meds are there enough research opportunities available or is that not a problem

This is why I said the characteristics you were looking for are those more commonly found in small, private schools. After financial aid and scholarships (varies greatly from school to school, though), hardly anyone pays the "sticker price."

Smaller undergrad population = less people with the same interests (e.g., premeds) = more opportunities available per capita. Also, class sizes are smaller, with more support resources, chances to know mentors and professors, etc. The "price" comes with lots of benefits.

UTs are awesome, but [generally] fail where most other large-ass schools do in the above categories. It's all about what you value, which is hard to judge as a first-month freshman, hence my quip about only being in college for a month-plus. You don't know what the hell you're looking for yet.

WRT the research part specifically, students at private research institutions like my own typically start working in labs and other research gigs in freshman year, because there are enough spots for the small ugrad population to go around. At large schools like the UTs, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that PIs and grad students don't even begin to consider undergrads until their sophomore year when they have more coursework under their belt, which is pretty ridiculous because lab is 90% experience and very little background knowledge in science beforehand is needed to do a good job.

Take it from someone at a small Ivy (i.e., as opposed to Cornell with 10k+).
 
And since the school is so large and I suspect there are a large number of pre meds are there enough research opportunities available or is that not a problem

I go to a large public school. If you want to make yourself appealing to med school, ideally you would be at the top of the premed pool at your school and be able to get research opportunities anyways.

If you are confident in your study habits and ability to take on college level courses and master them, then the "sink or swim" mentality of a big public school shouldn't really concern you.
 
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I go to a large public school. If you want to make yourself appealing to med school, ideally you would be at the top of the premed pool at your school and be able to get research opportunities anyways.

If you are confident in your study habits and ability to take on college level courses and master them, then the "sink or swim" mentality of a big public school shouldn't really concern you.

Too bad freshmen typically don't have this ability, but think they do (in varying degrees).
 
Too bad freshmen typically don't have this ability, but think they do (in varying degrees).

:laugh: Too true. Luckily OP is transferring next year, so he should be able to somewhat gauge where he is.
 
Too bad freshmen typically don't have this ability, but think they do (in varying degrees).

Unless they had substantial AP credit and decided to dive in early on (regardless of the college). This helped me to wipe out the premed courses and few upper level physics courses out of the way by sophomore year.

Of course, these freshmen make up the 1%. The 99% will self-urinate if they encountered this workload.
 
Unless they had substantial AP credit and decided to dive in early on (regardless of the college). This helped me to wipe out the premed courses and few upper level physics courses out of the way by sophomore year

Your new profile picture. 😍

AP classes are hard to compare to college classes, especially at large public schools.

My friend who was an AP superstar, top student in high school, accepted to tons of ivies, but chose to accept a scholarship to go here, is at risk of losing it because he does not know how to study for any of his classes. He literally studies all day but can't do well. n=1 but still.

There are tons of mysteries with the high school -> college transition...
 
This is why I said the characteristics you were looking for are those more commonly found in small, private schools. After financial aid and scholarships (varies greatly from school to school, though), hardly anyone pays the "sticker price."

Smaller undergrad population = less people with the same interests (e.g., premeds) = more opportunities available per capita. Also, class sizes are smaller, with more support resources, chances to know mentors and professors, etc. The "price" comes with lots of benefits.

UTs are awesome, but [generally] fail where most other large-ass schools do in the above categories. It's all about what you value, which is hard to judge as a first-month freshman, hence my quip about only being in college for a month-plus. You don't know what the hell you're looking for yet.

WRT the research part specifically, students at private research institutions like my own typically start working in labs and other research gigs in freshman year, because there are enough spots for the small ugrad population to go around. At large schools like the UTs, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that PIs and grad students don't even begin to consider undergrads until their sophomore year when they have more coursework under their belt, which is pretty ridiculous because lab is 90% experience and very little background knowledge in science beforehand is needed to do a good job.

Take it from someone at a small Ivy (i.e., as opposed to Cornell with 10k+).
Good points. That changes things.
 
Your new profile picture. 😍

AP classes are hard to compare to college classes, especially at large public schools.

My friend who was an AP superstar, top student in high school, accepted to tons of ivies, but chose to accept a scholarship to go here, is at risk of losing it because he does not know how to study for any of his classes. He literally studies all day but can't do well. n=1 but still.

There are tons of mysteries with the high school -> college transition...

I lost a bet when I said the Seahawks will lose... :bang:

But I agree that AP placement doesn't translate to college success. In my experience (so n=1), my high school teachers for AP science courses were insanely difficult and my grades in the exams ranged from 54%-96% (average was a 73%). But their preparation forced me to understand the essential concepts and I was able to knock out the AP exams with relative ease. The intermediate college courses were difficult, but the foundation made it comfortable for me to dive in as a freshman and do well.

This is purely anecdotal and I'm probably the exception. But seeing how some freshmen do well in difficult college courses make me wonder whether my story is applicable to them.
 
Hey! I'm a freshman and planning to transfer next year. I'm looking for the school with the best pre med advising, research opportunities, mcat preparation etc. If anyone can help me decide on the two that'd be greatly appreciated!

Other school suggestions are welcome as well. 🙂

As GTLO mentioned, premed advising is best to be avoided at all costs (including those offered in HYP etc.). MCAT preparation is optimized by self-studying via prep books and the Sn2ed method is the standard approach.

In terms of research opportunities, reputable private schools and state schools will have plenty to choose from. If you were to pick a college, i'd recommend a campus visit and explore around.
 
As GTLO mentioned, premed advising is best to be avoided at all costs (including those offered in HYP etc.). MCAT preparation is optimized by self-studying via prep books and the Sn2ed method is the standard approach.

In terms of research opportunities, reputable private schools and state schools will have plenty to choose from. If you were to pick a college, i'd recommend a campus visit and explore around.
Why should they be avoided?
 
Why should they be avoided?

Nearly 100% of advisors are individuals who have no personal experience with the MCAT, the sorts of extracurricular experiences students undertake, the application process, etc. Many advisors are ill-informed to the point of giving advice that is outright detrimental to students.

It is almost impossible for any given advisor or committee to be more knowledgeable than the whole of SDN, and it is unlikely they will be more directly helpful.
 
Ohh okay, understandable.
Again thanks for the input. It'll really help me decide.
 
Hey! I'm a freshman and planning to transfer next year. I'm looking for the school with the best pre med advising, research opportunities, mcat preparation etc. If anyone can help me decide on the two that'd be greatly appreciated!

Other school suggestions are welcome as well. 🙂

UT Austin grad here. Disclosure: I'm totally biased.
UT Austin has excellent research, hard to find a small public or private uni in TX that has as good research as UT Austin does. Exceptions will be UTHSC at Houston (think MD Anderson center,etc) and UT southwestern for translational research. Excellent school overall, I would do it again even if I had scholarship to a different school in TX, ANY school.
 
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UT Austin grad here. Disclosure: I'm totally biased.
UT Austin has excellent research, hard to find a small public or private uni in TX that has as good research as UT Austin does. Exceptions will be UTHSC at Houston (think MD Anderson center,etc) and UT southwestern for transnational research. Excellent school overall, I would do it again even if I had scholarship to a different school in TX, ANY school.
I have no doubt about that. My only issue is will most of that research be accessible for the amount of students who want in?
 
OP – I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thinking this much about this right now doesn't mean jack s***. At the very least, visit some campuses and do some of your own research into the schools you're considering (as far as I can tell ITT, you've done little to none of that).

Then wait until winter break to contemplate this issue seriously again. You will have a different perspective. Ask again on these forums if you still need to, but this is way too premature to be of much help.

The fact that you are saying "oh good points" to nearly every piece of advice given ITT shows just how little you know (not condescending, just sayin') both because you are a second-month freshman and because of your demonstrated lack of previous preparation. It sucks that you had to choose your current school because you had no choice, so make this one count.
 
Getting into research at UT isn't as hard as you might think it is.

Not to brag, just to give a little example...

I applied to about 17 biomedical/chemical engineering research positions about two months before this semester started (I'm a ChemE freshman at UT). I was accepted to about 13/17 of the positions, including the graduate level labs. I ended up picking a grad level biophotonics laboratory and it's just amazing. I'm expecting a 2nd author stem cell publication by the end of 2nd semester.
 
OP – I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thinking this much about this right now doesn't mean jack s***. At the very least, visit some campuses and do some of your own research into the schools you're considering (as far as I can tell ITT, you've done little to none of that).

Then wait until winter break to contemplate this issue seriously again. You will have a different perspective. Ask again on these forums if you still need to, but this is way too premature to be of much help.

The fact that you are saying "oh good points" to nearly every piece of advice given ITT shows just how little you know (not condescending, just sayin') both because you are a second-month freshman and because of your demonstrated lack of previous preparation. It sucks that you had to choose your current school because you had no choice, so make this one count.
Um I actually just visited Baylor this weekend but I have yet to visit UT and don't think I'll be able to and that is why I asked for different perspectives here. I've narrowed down to UT and Baylor from many different schools but I haven't been able to decide between the two yet.

I've accepted all advice on the thread openly not to say that I haven't thought of it already, but as affirmation.
 
What do you like about A&M?
From my POV, okay.
College Station is a cool small college town. It has everything a city has and most of the community is college students (duh) so if you want to have a social life with people your age, go there. UT, Baylor, and A&M are great schools. Decide where you see yourself being comfortable living at and seeing which university has your major of interest.
 
From my POV, okay.
College Station is a cool small college town. It has everything a city has and most of the community is college students (duh) so if you want to have a social life with people your age, go there. UT, Baylor, and A&M are great schools. Decide where you see yourself being comfortable living at and seeing which university has your major of interest.

Totally agreed with this. I plugged A&M because hey, it's my alma mater and it's been good to me. The schools mentioned in this thread are so comparable that the only real issue is what you can see yourself being happy with. Like Baylor? Awesome, go, kill it in your classes, have a great time and post a solid GPR. Rock the MCAT and you'll be in an enviable position.

When the differences are so marginal the biggest issue is really how much you think you'll be able to apply yourself in environment X. And that my friend is up to you. That said, Johnny motherfin' football and gig em. Hotty toddy.
 
Recent Baylor transfer student here. School is nice but you can't throw a rock here without hitting a premed. Also, research opportunities are sparce in comparison to UT Austin.
 
UT Austin grad here. Disclosure: I'm totally biased.
UT Austin has excellent research, hard to find a small public or private uni in TX that has as good research as UT Austin does. Exceptions will be UTHSC at Houston (think MD Anderson center,etc) and UT southwestern for translational research. Excellent school overall, I would do it again even if I had scholarship to a different school in TX, ANY school.

Rice...
 
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