bbanks on predents.com??? There is hope lol

[sfrice80]

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I love all the nonsense rambling. What I find the most troubling, besides the pointless bantering, is the OP called out a member on predents. Seriously, bbanks, whoever he is, put his credentials on predents to help people and instead he gets called out because of his stats. You made an entire thread with his username in the title. That never came across to you as wrong when you made it? Not cool.

 

[ajusf16]

once the guy put his user name in predents it is on the internetz anyway, so it does not matter whether it is in the title of thread
you can search google with just his user name and it will show up
but also remember predents is not verified so what people put on there is not always accurate

 

[sfrice80]

once the guy put his user name in predents it is on the internetz anyway, so it does not matter whether it is in the title of thread
you can search google with just his user name and it will show up
but also remember predents is not verified so what people put on there is not always accurate

Thats really not the point, of course its public domain. The point is, you don't call someone out on a public forum just to embarrass them.

 

[ajusf16]

ahhh thick skin, lifes rough and people are not always nice, I am thinking if the person was secure enought o post their stats, they could care less what others think

 

[sfrice80]

ahhh thick skin, lifes rough and people are not always nice, I am thinking if the person was secure enought o post their stats, they could care less what others think

Right, great point! Let's make fun of everyone like we are 3rd graders....glad to call you my future colleague! Wow....

 

[ajusf16]

Right, great point! Let's make fun of everyone like we are 3rd graders....glad to call you my future colleague! Wow....

simply made a comment, no where did I insult anyone 😎

 

[alanan84]

I agree with sfrice80. This is yet another one of my SDN pet peeves. (I should make a list) Calling people out from predents... Wonderful. We already know that predents gives us a small sample size so why don't we make it even smaller by making fun of those that do put their stats up. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[KoughDai]

I agree with sfrice80. This is yet another one of my SDN pet peeves. (I should make a list) Calling people out from predents... Wonderful. We already know that predents gives us a small sample size so why don't we make it even smaller by making fun of those that do put their stats up. Makes perfect sense to me.

Agreed. There's lots of insecurity on these forums that's manifested in attacks.

 

[lovelyinpink11]

Thanks KoughDai. I'm not racist at all, but I couldn't disagree more with the policies being put in place by the current administration. Dentistry/Medicine both are unlike most other professions. They actually have people's lives at stake when they stick them with a needle (or whatever the procedure is). No one here can convince me that it is ethical for someone to be granted acceptance into any helath-related professional school (or any other school, but especially these) based on the color of their skin. Does that make me right and everyone else wrong? I just think people need to do their research and read the actual Healthcare Bill before they basically say I do not know what I am talking about. Also, even though I am a white guy, I grew up around friends that I would never label them as being "black." It's so sad to see, here in year 2010, that people (both races) use the race card to manipulate people. The idea that white dentists do not practice in "under-served" populations is completely ludicrous. The dentist that I shadowed couldn't have been in a more black-dominated area of town. I mean really, I just wish this stupid world could all live up to the same standards, love one another, and do their job. I can understand why some blacks feel hatred towards whites, but is there anything any of us can do about it? I often wish I could pull up the people who owned and started slavery and slap them in the face a couple times or three lol. So, moral of the story - everyone needs to be treated fairly. If a black individual has higher scores than I do, he deserves the spot, point blank. If we both have the exact same numbers, then we can take into play who has had to overcome what, and all of the other things. We all just need to get along and hope the best for ourselves as well as others. Have a great day everyone.

Well, we will see how things go during the next few cycles. I personally don't believe this bill will change anything. I couldn't agree more with you that everyone should be treated fairly. Things are the way they are now because historically that wasn't happening and we are all still living in the aftermath of it. I wish nothing more than for this country to be blind to race and for everyone to get along and accept/love each other.

 

[alanan84]

Thanks KoughDai. I'm not racist at all, but I couldn't disagree more with the policies being put in place by the current administration. Dentistry/Medicine both are unlike most other professions. They actually have people's lives at stake when they stick them with a needle (or whatever the procedure is). No one here can convince me that it is ethical for someone to be granted acceptance into any helath-related professional school (or any other school, but especially these) based on the color of their skin. Does that make me right and everyone else wrong? I just think people need to do their research and read the actual Healthcare Bill before they basically say I do not know what I am talking about. Also, even though I am a white guy, I grew up around friends that I would never label them as being "black." It's so sad to see, here in year 2010, that people (both races) use the race card to manipulate people. The idea that white dentists do not practice in "under-served" populations is completely ludicrous. The dentist that I shadowed couldn't have been in a more black-dominated area of town. I mean really, I just wish this stupid world could all live up to the same standards, love one another, and do their job. I can understand why some blacks feel hatred towards whites, but is there anything any of us can do about it? I often wish I could pull up the people who owned and started slavery and slap them in the face a couple times or three lol. So, moral of the story - everyone needs to be treated fairly. If a black individual has higher scores than I do, he deserves the spot, point blank. If we both have the exact same numbers, then we can take into play who has had to overcome what, and all of the other things. We all just need to get along and hope the best for ourselves as well as others. Have a great day everyone.

Just decided to read through this rant.

Ludicrous? Let me give you some reading material:

You can start here.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12875&page=R1
A landmark paper published in 2000 addressing the racial disparities found in healthcare. This paper basically jumpstarted the URM pipeline system that many dental schools use.

Then move to this one:
[URL="http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/71/3/339#R1"]http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/71/3/339#R1[/URL]
Published in 2006, explains the Dental Pipeline program.

And finally:
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/140/3/346
Explains the results of the program
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/140/3/346

 

[Chemboy23]

It's not a rant you idiot, it's true. Racial profiling is wrong, no matter who is being racially profiled against. What has your post proved? It proved that URM need to be dentists? Did I dispute that? No, I actually agreed with that. HOWEVER, it is not fair to accept a person to dental school that has lower scores based solely on the color of their skin. Are you really this stupid? Can you imagine all the trouble that would come if a president signed into law that "from now on, we can accept white students, regardless of what their scores may be." People need to strive to get high scores and we should all be compared EQUALLY. If I were a URM, I would actually take offense to the situation. It's like they're telling minorities they can't be competitive with other races. We all know that's not true at all. The smartest people I've ever met are minorities, for example, a friend from Zimbabwe I attended undergrad with is now in med school at Tulane. He was by far the smartest person I have ever been around. He absolutely deserved to go to medical school. He was admitted based on his acheivements, not on his color. But, I need not argue the point, because obviously you cannot understand the point here.

 

[lmaozedong1]

It's not a rant you idiot, it's true. Racial profiling is wrong, no matter who is being racially profiled against. What has your post proved? It proved that URM need to be dentists? Did I dispute that? No, I actually agreed with that. HOWEVER, it is not fair to accept a person to dental school that has lower scores based solely on the color of their skin. Are you really this stupid? Can you imagine all the trouble that would come if a president signed into law that "from now on, we can accept white students, regardless of what their scores may be." People need to strive to get high scores and we should all be compared EQUALLY. If I were a URM, I would actually take offense to the situation. It's like they're telling minorities they can't be competitive with other races. We all know that's not true at all. The smartest people I've ever met are minorities, for example, a friend from Zimbabwe I attended undergrad with is now in med school at Tulane. He was by far the smartest person I have ever been around. He absolutely deserved to go to medical school. He was admitted based on his acheivements, not on his color. But, I need not argue the point, because obviously you cannot understand the point here.

The really sad part about this URM thing is that your friend from Zimbabwe will be looked at as if he only got in b/c of his skin color. But hey, if people don't like this, then they should get rid of this.

 

[Chemboy23]

For sure, that's all I'm saying is that URMs are fully capable of performing on the same level as other (whites) do. And yes, he will probably get that notion like he got in on race. Which, to some degree I am interested in people with different backgrounds. I loved listening to him talk about having to walk 3 miles to school every day and such. He was actually an inspiration to me and he overcame many obstacles to get to where he is today. We all have to overcome things in our lives to get to where we want to be, but in the end the only way our acheivements are "appreciated," for lack of better words, is through hard work, sacrifice, and determination. My main point is this: URMs can do whatever they set their minds to (just as whites). What's the point of reaching your dream and not being able to enjoy it because someone had to give you a handout?

 

[yappy]

It's funny you mention your bright friend from Zimbabwe... I've meet many people from that area of the world (continent africa) that recently came to the US as first generation citizens and they have all blown me away with their level of intelligence and work ethic.

 

[alanan84]

It's not a rant you idiot, it's true. Racial profiling is wrong, no matter who is being racially profiled against. What has your post proved? It proved that URM need to be dentists? Did I dispute that? No, I actually agreed with that. HOWEVER, it is not fair to accept a person to dental school that has lower scores based solely on the color of their skin. Are you really this stupid? Can you imagine all the trouble that would come if a president signed into law that "from now on, we can accept white students, regardless of what their scores may be." People need to strive to get high scores and we should all be compared EQUALLY. If I were a URM, I would actually take offense to the situation. It's like they're telling minorities they can't be competitive with other races. We all know that's not true at all. The smartest people I've ever met are minorities, for example, a friend from Zimbabwe I attended undergrad with is now in med school at Tulane. He was by far the smartest person I have ever been around. He absolutely deserved to go to medical school. He was admitted based on his acheivements, not on his color. But, I need not argue the point, because obviously you cannot understand the point here.

You say that more URMs need to be dentists but then complain when one gets accepted with lower statistics. Are you insinuating that dental schools pass over the more qualified URM for the less qualified one? If not, what would you recommend as a solution to the underserved care that minorities are getting?

 

[Chemboy23]

The solution is this: URMs work harder (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE) to gain acceptance into dental school. It is simply not true that whites do not serve low-income areas. The dentist I shadowed for seven years worked in an area like the above. So, let me make a proposition to you. Two options:

A) Let URMs in with lower stats, scores, whatever and put the public's health in jeopardy and cost the government millions of dollars due to vacancies in dental schools when they could have filled the seat with someone (not a particular race, ANYONE) that was capable of passing his/her boards, etc...
B) Encourage them to do well with incentives (special scholarships) during their undergrad years to see if they actually WANT it as bad as others do. In the end, if they have the numbers others are required to make to gain acceptance, they can then be preferred until we make up for the gaps you speak of. I have no problem with URMs being accepted, the problem I have is that it puts the public's health in danger, promotes racism, and costs the government more in the end for anyone with lower scores to get privileges, regardless of what their race is.

Which do you think is best for the dental profession/public?

 

[alanan84]

The solution is this: URMs work harder (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE) to gain acceptance into dental school. It is simply not true that whites do not serve low-income areas. The dentist I shadowed for seven years worked in an area like the above. So, let me make a proposition to you. Two options:

A) Let URMs in with lower stats, scores, whatever and put the public's health in jeopardy and cost the government millions of dollars due to vacancies in dental schools when they could have filled the seat with someone (not a particular race, ANYONE) that was capable of passing his/her boards, etc...
B) Encourage them to do well with incentives (special scholarships) during their undergrad years to see if they actually WANT it as bad as others do. In the end, if they have the numbers others are required to make to gain acceptance, they can then be preferred until we make up for the gaps you speak of. I have no problem with URMs being accepted, the problem I have is that it puts the public's health in danger, promotes racism, and costs the government more in the end for anyone with lower scores to get privileges, regardless of what their race is.

Which do you think is best for the dental profession/public?

I would argue that your option B is exactly what they're doing! Read through the last link that I posted.

 

[KoughDai]

The solution is this: URMs work harder (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE) to gain acceptance into dental school. It is simply not true that whites do not serve low-income areas. The dentist I shadowed for seven years worked in an area like the above. So, let me make a proposition to you. Two options:

A) Let URMs in with lower stats, scores, whatever and put the public's health in jeopardy and cost the government millions of dollars due to vacancies in dental schools when they could have filled the seat with someone (not a particular race, ANYONE) that was capable of passing his/her boards, etc...
B) Encourage them to do well with incentives (special scholarships) during their undergrad years to see if they actually WANT it as bad as others do. In the end, if they have the numbers others are required to make to gain acceptance, they can then be preferred until we make up for the gaps you speak of. I have no problem with URMs being accepted, the problem I have is that it puts the public's health in danger, promotes racism, and costs the government more in the end for anyone with lower scores to get privileges, regardless of what their race is.

Which do you think is best for the dental profession/public?

I can say what I'm about to say BECAUSE of racism:

I believe that the preferential treatment of URM's is racism at its very roots and is a practice that should be discontinued. As an African American woman who has worked very hard during school(both on schoolwork AND financing my education), I find this treatment to be insulting because it undermines the hard work that I have done. Yes, I am openly acknowledging that other URM's are getting into school with inferior scores to their white/asian/indian counterparts, and I think it's unfair. I want to be judged on the content of my character, and a truly level playing field is one in which we all have to compete with each other regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

So why can I say this BECAUSE of racism? Easy: Because if I were a white male making the same observations, I would probably be blasted for it. That, in itself, is wrong too.

 

[sfoksn]

Just decided to read through this rant.

Ludicrous? Let me give you some reading material:

You can start here.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12875&page=R1
A landmark paper published in 2000 addressing the racial disparities found in healthcare. This paper basically jumpstarted the URM pipeline system that many dental schools use.

Then move to this one:
[URL="http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/71/3/339#R1"]http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/71/3/339#R1[/URL]
Published in 2006, explains the Dental Pipeline program.

And finally:
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/140/3/346
Explains the results of the program
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/140/3/346

Hm.. So I think you are saying that URMs should be admitted with lower stats because we need them, and that they will most likely the only population practicing in the under served areas of URMs?

If that is the point, shouldn't the dental schools accept the low stat URMs with a contract saying that they must practice in under served areas for at least certain number of years?

Do you think those dentists in Meharry and Howard will actually choose to go to underserved URM community if it has poor financial gain? I mean, they are all the same DDS/DMD, why practice in area that is bad financially?

How is admitting URMs with lower stats solving the under served population? I am not attacking you, I just want to hear what you think because it seems like you know a lot about this issue.

 

[BioSeven]

The really sad part about this URM thing is that your friend from Zimbabwe will be looked at as if he only got in b/c of his skin color. But hey, if people don't like this, then they should get rid of this.

Wait a second....

You guys aren't really going to think that every URM that's in your class got in with lower stats than yourself...are you?

 

[alanan84]

Hm.. So I think you are saying that URMs should be admitted with lower stats because we need them, and that they will most likely the only population practicing in the under served areas of URMs?

If that is the point, shouldn't the dental schools accept the low stat URMs with a contract saying that they must practice in under served areas for at least certain number of years?

Do you think those dentists in Meharry and Howard will actually choose to go to underserved URM community if it has poor financial gain? I mean, they are all the same DDS/DMD, why practice in area that is bad financially?

How is admitting URMs with lower stats solving the under served population? I am not attacking you, I just want to hear what you think because it seems like you know a lot about this issue.

Yes, studies have shown that URMs will treat a higher percentage of minority patients than non-URMs.

 

[Chemboy23]

Thank you KoughDai! No one here (I hope at least) feels that blacks deserve to go to dental school less than whites. The issue is that today's society actually sells blacks short, which to me personally is a complete insult. It strikes deep in my heart because I know many blacks (like yourself) that are smarter and more capable than myself. At least I can admit it, and it bothers me none. No race is smarter than the next and this is exactly what this way of thinking in today's society implies. We spend so much time on trying to master ways of being nice to different races, when behind the scenes, these same individuals think less of you and we can see it by their actions. "Well, we need URMs to fill some seats in the class, so we'll just let low numbers in" when in reality there are just as many URMs that are fully capable of doing what you did, it just takes hard work. I commend you tremendously on your hard work and I wish you the best of luck in your applying.

 

[sfoksn]

I can say what I'm about to say BECAUSE of racism:

I believe that the preferential treatment of URM's is racism at its very roots and is a practice that should be discontinued. As an African American woman who has worked very hard during school(both on schoolwork AND financing my education), I find this treatment to be insulting because it undermines the hard work that I have done. Yes, I am openly acknowledging that other URM's are getting into school with inferior scores to their white/asian/indian counterparts, and I think it's unfair. I want to be judged on the content of my character, and a truly level playing field is one in which we all have to compete with each other regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

So why can I say this BECAUSE of racism? Easy: Because if I were a white male making the same observations, I would probably be blasted for it. That, in itself, is wrong too.

Great point. But you don't have to feel insulted because if you have worked hard like everyone else and have gotten decent stats that are universally recognized as good stats, (3.9+ GPA and 25+ DAT) you will easily get in anywhere you want.

Seems like you are in a great spot! No need to feel insulted. At the end, the result is what matters and what people see anyways 🙂

 

[alanan84]

Wait a second....

You guys aren't really going to think that every URM that's in your class got in with lower stats than yourself...are you?

I hope not. For me personally, NO.

 

[Chemboy23]

To alanan84 ----notice in option B it said nothing about letting lower scores in based on race. Did you see that? I said that once their scores live up to the same standards everyone else's are, they should be preferred. NOT WHEN SCORES (OR WHATEVER) ARE LOWER!

Also, something to ponder is this. People actually prefer to go to doctors/dentists of their same race. Is this a white dentist's fault that an URM may not want to come to his clinic? No!!! Whose fault is it if I am white and I will not let a black dentist work on my mouth? Mine!

You still don't get the point do you? If someone is granted acceptance into dental school with low stats, regardless of their race, the risk for dropout, failing the boards, public health hazards, etc...

Do you think URMs are incapable of earning the same grades the rest of us do? By what you say, the answer is yes.

 

[BioSeven]

The solution is this: URMs work harder (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE) to gain acceptance into dental school. It is simply not true that whites do not serve low-income areas. The dentist I shadowed for seven years worked in an area like the above. So, let me make a proposition to you. Two options:

A) Let URMs in with lower stats, scores, whatever and put the public's health in jeopardy and cost the government millions of dollars due to vacancies in dental schools when they could have filled the seat with someone (not a particular race, ANYONE) that was capable of passing his/her boards, etc...
B) Encourage them to do well with incentives (special scholarships) during their undergrad years to see if they actually WANT it as bad as others do. In the end, if they have the numbers others are required to make to gain acceptance, they can then be preferred until we make up for the gaps you speak of. I have no problem with URMs being accepted, the problem I have is that it puts the public's health in danger, promotes racism, and costs the government more in the end for anyone with lower scores to get privileges, regardless of what their race is.

Which do you think is best for the dental profession/public?

Wow.

I think everyone needs to take some time to think about what they are really saying here.

Please do not develop a prejudice against a group of people without having at least met them.

What about people who end up doing DO school because their stats weren't good enough for MD? Are these people (of all races) less competent than their MD counterparts to be physicians? How do you know? Have you been through either medical school? Are you a doctor? Have you taken the boards?

I understand that people get a little excited during application time but please, let's just take a chill pill...

Oh, and to the OP, think before you write.

That is all.

 

[KoughDai]

I hope not. For me personally, NO.

Alanan84 is right. I don't think anyone's saying that. I think the sentiment is that the large majority of people who get in with inferior stats are URM's, and not that the large majority of URM's who get in have inferior stats, if that makes sense.

Also, I know that URM's are more likely to serve certain communities, but maybe there should be some sort of control on it that says if you're accepted because of URM status you should have to serve an area like that for a certain number of years (I know that's a logistical nightmare, though, because who's to say WHY somebody was accepted)...just like the military makes you serve for x number of years, or the WICHE program makes people practice in their home state for x number of years. At the end of the day, though, we're all humans, and when we wake up and realize we have $350k-$400k in debt, that's a really large incentive NOT to work in an impoverished area.

Either way, I understand and agree with the frustration expressed on here. I think there are better ways to get high quality service to poor areas. I mean, if certain communities are more likely to go to a dentist who is "like them," what we're really talking about here is selection bias on the part of the patients. This shouldn't be the problem of hard working, aspiring dental students.

 

[alanan84]

To alanan84 ----notice in option B it said nothing about letting lower scores in based on race. Did you see that? I said that once their scores live up to the same standards everyone else's are, they should be preferred. NOT WHEN SCORES (OR WHATEVER) ARE LOWER!

Also, something to ponder is this. People actually prefer to go to doctors/dentists of their same race. Is this a white dentist's fault that an URM may not want to come to his clinic? No!!! Whose fault is it if I am white and I will not let a black dentist work on my mouth? Mine!

You still don't get the point do you? If someone is granted acceptance into dental school with low stats, regardless of their race, the risk for dropout, failing the boards, public health hazards, etc...

Do you think URMs are incapable of earning the same grades the rest of us do? By what you say, the answer is yes.

(Sigh)

I've posted what I need/want to post. People can read it and extrapolate their own opinions. Nice try at putting words in my mouth though.

 

[BioSeven]

Alanan84 is right. I don't think anyone's saying that. I think the sentiment is that the large majority of people who get in with inferior stats are URM's, and not that the large majority of URM's who get in have inferior stats, if that makes sense.

Also, I know that URM's are more likely to serve certain communities, but maybe there should be some sort of control on it that says if you're accepted because of URM status you should have to serve an area like that for a certain number of years (I know that's a logistical nightmare, though, because who's to say WHY somebody was accepted)...just like the military makes you serve for x number of years, or the WICHE program makes people practice in their home state for x number of years. At the end of the day, though, we're all humans, and when we wake up and realize we have $350k-$400k in debt, that's a really large incentive NOT to work in an impoverished area.

Either way, I understand and agree with the frustration expressed on here. I think there are better ways to get high quality service to poor areas. I mean, if certain communities are more likely to go to a dentist who is "like them," what we're really talking about here is selection bias on the part of the patients. This shouldn't be the problem of hard working, aspiring dental students.

I'll let you decide if that first statement made since or not.

As for the second "idea" presented in the second paragraph...you and I both know that's ridiculous. The only way that would be fair is if everyone with a GPA below 3.1 and and DAT below 18 had to do this. If the issue is low stats, then the solution should deal with low stats.

 

[KoughDai]

I'll let you decide if that first statement made since or not.

As for the second "idea" presented in the second paragraph...you and I both know that's ridiculous. The only way that would be fair is if everyone with a GPA below 3.1 and and DAT below 18 had to do this. If the issue is low stats, then the solution should deal with low stats.

The first statement makes plenty of sense, it says 2 things (and keep in mind I'm paraphrasing what the sentiment of the forum is):

1) People feel that most people who get in with inferior stats are URM's
2) People also feel that most URM's who get in do NOT have inferior stats

To answer the second commentary: No, you are wrong. As Alanan84 has shown to anyone willing to pay attention, URM's are statistically more likely to serve certain communities, hence the reason for URM's with inferior statistics/profiles to be accepted. Statistics DO NOT support that a white male with a 2.8 GPA and an 18 AA is more likely to serve in these areas (as he is not a URM).

 

[iluvdentistry]

I think we should make a new thread hating on pretty people, because after all, they are probably getting selected over ugly ass people with the same stats so aren't they getting some kind of hand out too? 😉

 

[BioSeven]

The first statement makes plenty of sense, it says 2 things (and keep in mind I'm paraphrasing what the sentiment of the forum is):

1) People feel that most people who get in with inferior stats are URM's
2) People also feel that most URM's who get in do NOT have inferior stats

To answer the second commentary: No, you are wrong. As Alanan84 has shown to anyone willing to pay attention, URM's are statistically more likely to serve certain communities, hence the reason for URM's with inferior statistics/profiles to be accepted. Statistics DO NOT support that a white male with a 2.8 GPA and an 18 AA is more likely to serve in these areas (as he is not a URM).

So should a white male be accepted with lower stats since he will not serve in "certain" communities?

 

[KoughDai]

So should a white male be accepted with lower stats since he will not serve in "certain" communities?

I think you're missing the point. A white male/asian female/black transsexual/WHATEVER should not be accepted with lower stats AT ALL because he/she/it is an INFERIOR CANDIDATE when compared to peers!

EDIT: Also, should that person be accepted, it was obviously not because of URM status, since a white male is not a URM.

 

[BioSeven]

I think you're missing the point. A white male/asian female/black transsexual/WHATEVER should not be accepted with lower stats AT ALL because he/she/it is an INFERIOR CANDIDATE when compared to peers!

EDIT: Also, should that person be accepted, it was obviously not because of URM status, since a white male is not a URM.

LOL

I'm not missing the point sweetheart, but I think you might be...

 

[TarheelDDS]

This thread = 👎


The ideas some of you guys have here are idiotic.

 

[lmaozedong1]

LOL

I'm not missing the point sweetheart, but I think you might be...

I'm sorry, but Koughdai is getting the point...YOU are not.

 

[BioSeven]

I get what you guys are saying. Only those with the highest stat should be admitted. Doesn't take a 3.9 GPA to get that.

However, life isn't this black and white (pun intended).

I'm not in a position to say who should and shouldn't be admitted to dental school. I am not a dentist, nor am I on any admissions boards. I am a pre-dental student, like you.

 

[lmaozedong1]

I get what you guys are saying. Only those with the highest stat should be admitted. Doesn't take a 3.9 GPA to get that.

However, life isn't this black and white (pun intended).

And we get that, but your argument is a LOT weaker than theirs...end of story.

 

[BioSeven]

🙂 My argument is not weaker, it is just coming from a different angle. There are many ways to view an issue.

Honestly, I'm just disappointed that there is such a negative view towards URMs on this thread. Makes me wanna change my avatar...

 

[sfoksn]

I get what you guys are saying. Only those with the highest stat should be admitted. Doesn't take a 3.9 GPA to get that.

However, life isn't this black and white (pun intended).

I'm not in a position to say who should and shouldn't be admitted to dental school. I am not a dentist, nor am I on any admissions boards. I am a pre-dental student, like you.

Admission is definitely not all number and stats based... Trust me, if it was done by computerized selection for highest stats, Harvard would have average matriculant GPA of over 4.0 and average matriculant GPA of 25+AA.

I think what everyone is saying is that everyone should be equally reviewed without any preference to people with certain ethnic background.

 

[jirotrom]

African Americans in poverty stricken areas still largely experience extreme struggles throughout their childhood and on into college. If you don't believe me then you have never gotten off the wrong exit on the freeway. These students in my opinion deserve to have a place held for them if they overcome insurmountable odds and graduate an inner city public school and college. None of us can possibly understand what it is like to grow up in a household on welfare unless we have lived it first hand. I do not how ever feel any standards should be lowered for any URM such as an African American who grew up in a middle class suburban household. That would be wrong and unfair.

thankyou... this is why I never say im disadvantaged... I grew up in a middle class home (well wasnt middle class at first but moved up) and my low undergrad grades are my fault and mine alone. I have had great educational opportunities that I screwed up early on but for the most part I believe I have repaired that past. I will state that there are other hardships the african american goes through.

Being watched when you enter stores as if you'll steal something, people always suspecting some nefarious action for you. Assuming that you are unintelligent because of your skin, situations where people are "surprised" by the way you carry yourself and so on and so on. All of the situations I use one thing to deal with them... a simple smile. Because a smile is a powerful powerful tool to take people off guard. Because honestly I hate being constantly judged because of my appearance, as I aim to contradict everyones bull**** about my skin color.

Sorry semi rant, but i do agree most people just dont understand what people with disadvantaged status go through. I didn't even really know until I taught in an area in which the education was drastically poorer than the ones in my past. The folks that make it out of those areas and I dont just mean black... because there are definitely disadvantaged whites and asians that Ive run into, but those that make it out, that jump into college is HUGE. Alot of times depending on the school the difficulty can be immense.

The thing is on the apps that Ive seen and the ones you guys are using, several times these schools will ask you about your hardships and whether are not you feel disadvantaged, its not exclusively a "black" thing.

But hey all you folks complaining are you willing to work in those areas where those "people of color" reside? Because it is a problem, not many dentists in "those" areas that you are afraid to go...healthcare is important for everyone, even the people that may be stuck in a rut that many others dont get...

 

[pinhi]

I love all the nonsense rambling. What I find the most troubling, besides the pointless bantering, is the OP called out a member on predents. Seriously, bbanks, whoever he is, put his credentials on predents to help people and instead he gets called out because of his stats. You made an entire thread with his username in the title. That never came across to you as wrong when you made it? Not cool.

This thread is a rediculous waste of brain power.....if you people are so bored.....get out of the house and go do something