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Just like the EK Verbal 101 thread, this is a thread to talk about how you're doing with the TBR passages. I don't know how people are generally going through these, but I'm doing Phase I and II after reading the chapter, and saving Phase III for after I finish all content review.

I'm currently working on Gen Chem.

Chapter 1:
Phase I: 27/41 = 66% = 10
Phase II: 10/20 = 50% = 8 (ouch!)

Chapter 2:
Phase I: 29/37 = 78% = 11
Phase II: 28/33 = 85% = 13

So far I LOVE the book. I hated Gen Chem and I'm enjoying reading this and I really feel like it's helping me grasp the topics. Hopefully future chapters will continue this trend...

Now it's up to you guys! Keep this thread alive!
 
Just did 4 passages in Organic Chem Sec. 1 and I got a dismal 17/26, in one section, I missed 5 of 6!!!

I think that means I am on track to get at least a 15 on my MCAT 🙄
 
Just did 4 passages in Organic Chem Sec. 1 and I got a dismal 17/26, in one section, I missed 5 of 6!!!

I think that means I am on track to get at least a 15 on my MCAT 🙄

So far I've been getting owned by O. Chem Sec. 2. Paying the price for never attending lab lecture/copying my partner's NMR sheets...
 
I think you could see a question like that on the MCAT because you have to really think about that question. It's definitely not an impossible or unfair question, but probably the hardest question in that chapter. Just understand it and don't worry about it too much.

For you other guys complaining about organic, the one thing I figured out when I went over the tons of organic in all the books was that it's useless to memorize everything and there are really only 10-12 concepts you have to know and everything else is just clever guess work using those concepts.

Hope this helps,

-LIS
 
For you other guys complaining about organic, the one thing I figured out when I went over the tons of organic in all the books was that it's useless to memorize everything and there are really only 10-12 concepts you have to know and everything else is just clever guess work using those concepts.

Hope this helps,

-LIS

You've hit on the main problem I believe with BR.

Their content is so thorough that I often wonder, how much exactly of this do I have to know. For example, as I'm reading a list of 26 ions they say need to be memorized (I check EK to notice they have much shorter lists), or the list of approximately 20 weak acids and pKa's (EK lists none, recommending to just know the strong acids).

As you do passages/FL I know they will reinforce what you need to know, but this is often the frustrating part of studying for the exam.

As you say, there are only really a dozen concepts you need to know. The intelligence is in finding these concepts while understanding the rest of the chapter.

I remember taking notes on the ~20 NMR shifts listed in BR Ochem, then I was curious if EK would say I needed to know much less, to my surprise EK doesn't even list a single NMR shift in their Ochem book.
 
No, don't go memorizing all the NMR shifts. Know the major ones like aldehyde and aromatic H's, and Carboxlyic acids and that's it. Those three no more.

What I like that TBR does is that they present the concept and then spend the chapter applying the concept to different situations. Some may say it's "detailed" but if you know what you're supposed to learn and look for then it's really not. Agree with the acids thing, TBR was ridiculous for that, you only need to know the strong and then the rest are weak.

Once you've done 5-6 chapters in one of the books, you get a feel for what you need to know and what you can ignore. It's usually clear after doing the passages.

Hope this helps,

-LIS
 
No, don't go memorizing all the NMR shifts. Know the major ones like aldehyde and aromatic H's, and Carboxlyic acids and that's it. Those three no more.

What I like that TBR does is that they present the concept and then spend the chapter applying the concept to different situations. Some may say it's "detailed" but if you know what you're supposed to learn and look for then it's really not. Agree with the acids thing, TBR was ridiculous for that, you only need to know the strong and then the rest are weak.

Once you've done 5-6 chapters in one of the books, you get a feel for what you need to know and what you can ignore. It's usually clear after doing the passages.

Hope this helps,

-LIS

Thanks again. You make my studying anxiety go away one post at a time.
 
Is TBR enough for learning NMR, i wasn't paying attention in lecture (trust me, i had too much on my plate and i was always tired cuz i work all night 12+hrs) and spend the next day in school. ochem was in the afternoon so after morning classes, i'm soo tired it's hard to focus).
I understand mass spec, i'm a little fuzzy on IR spec but i'm working on it, NMR, i feel like i need to read the textbook before i read TBR. Is it worth it. doing it will throw me off my schedule as my text has 50+ pages on NMR not including the end of chapter problems in the back. HELP!!!
 
hey guys.
i only have Gen chem, physics and verbal book for BR
do you think it is worth to get the rest as well?
i use EK 1001 for Bio but im almost done doing them and TPR hyperlearning books are really hard to get...
 
Is TBR enough for learning NMR, i wasn't paying attention in lecture (trust me, i had too much on my plate and i was always tired cuz i work all night 12+hrs) and spend the next day in school. ochem was in the afternoon so after morning classes, i'm soo tired it's hard to focus).
I understand mass spec, i'm a little fuzzy on IR spec but i'm working on it, NMR, i feel like i need to read the textbook before i read TBR. Is it worth it. doing it will throw me off my schedule as my text has 50+ pages on NMR not including the end of chapter problems in the back. HELP!!!

I would say that you need to understand the basics, which BR covers. If you can't understand the stuff in BR then maybe do a search online or read a handful of pages in your textbook (do NOT read a textbook before, do it retroactively upon necessity).

I just looked over the BR section, they have at least 5+ examples. Just read it thoroughly and understand it all and that should be good. NMR is required knowledge, every prepbook covers it.
 
hey guys.
i only have Gen chem, physics and verbal book for BR
do you think it is worth to get the rest as well?
i use EK 1001 for Bio but im almost done doing them and TPR hyperlearning books are really hard to get...

I've heard too many bad things about BR bio to recommend, but some enjoy the passages. The bio content I've heard is far too much.
 
BR bio is the best for content. You should be able to tell what's necessary to know and what isn't.
 
BR bio is the best for content. You should be able to tell what's necessary to know and what isn't.

I disagree. Even BR's best instructors will tell you that most their students use other books for content while combing their passages. Their book was written by a UC Berkeley professor who teaches like an average upper division Berkeley Biology professor would (by trying to impress you with how extensive their information is instead of actually trying to teach you bio). So far, I prefer TPR Bio for the best balance of information and conceptual teaching.

As for passages, I haven't gotten very far to give good advice, but so far I've preferred BR Bio's passages over EK 1001's. The few passags I've worked with in EK 1001 have had some weird questions and questionable answer choices that I've disagreed with. Again, I haven't gotten very far in either book so take my advice with a grain of salt.
 
how about orgo?
the funny thing is,
i do better in passage problems than questions-not based on passages.
which means im weak in content...
 
BR bio is the best for content. You should be able to tell what's necessary to know and what isn't.

Completely disagree.

I disagree. Even BR's best instructors will tell you that most their students use other books for content while combing their passages. Their book was written by a UC Berkeley professor who teaches like an average upper division Berkeley Biology professor would (by trying to impress you with how extensive their information is instead of actually trying to teach you bio). So far, I prefer TPR Bio for the best balance of information and conceptual teaching.

As for passages, I haven't gotten very far to give good advice, but so far I've preferred BR Bio's passages over EK 1001's. The few passags I've worked with in EK 1001 have had some weird questions and questionable answer choices that I've disagreed with. Again, I haven't gotten very far in either book so take my advice with a grain of salt.

well said.
 
it depends on what level of detail it takes for you to understand a concept. I was used EK, Kaplan and TBR for the nerve and muscle.

For me EK was the broad concepts, Kaplan was intermediate and TBR was nitty gritty details. Personally, I love humping details...I don't grasp well if I don't understand the details behind something. So I used TBR for initial review to get all details togeter, and then used EK when I wanted to review and solidify that content knowledge since it focused more on concepts.
 
Yea I basically do the same thing with TPR Bio and then EK Bio. TPR to go through concepts and then EK to review and make sure i didn't miss any points.
 
I feel like a total *****, I'm almost done going through the BR Bio's, I would outline each chapter and basically write down all the stuff that I did not remember after reading it...then I'd do all 100 questions in one go and I usually do horrible 55-65/100 usually. Although when I look back at everything I got wrong It's a lot of those questions were within my capability of getting right, which doesn't sound too bad but I still keep making those kind of mistakes even though I'm trying to learn from them. Any advice?
 
I posted this in my MCAT prep thread, but I will post here it for posterity! 🙂


Well, TBR O Chem is my new daddy

I am getting whipped.

The best thing about TBR is they exploit my weaknesses! Like that silly show, "Cheaters" I feel like they run up on me with microphone in hand, lights flashing in my eyes and let the whole world see, "This guys doesn't know jack about organic, look at his answers. Hey Fifty, why are you such an idiot?"

To which I reply "It was an error in judgement. I will do better next time"

I have been studying too much. I'm a bit crazy.
 
The best thing about TBR is they exploit my weaknesses!

Best way to practice.

To which I reply "It was an error in judgement. I will do better next time"

Best attitude to have.

Guys, don't be afraid to get questions wrong. You have to treat it like a learning opportunity and not a criticism. In the beginning you might be getting hammered by the passages and doing bad. A few weeks later you're doing slightly better or the same. A couple months later you rarely ever get any wrong. I'm a true and honest believer that if you practice and get hammered enough and get questions wrong while reviewing thoroughly then eventually you'll master the material. I know it sounds scary but you can seriously only make the same mistake 5 or 6 times before you never make that mistake again. That's why you practice, so you make it in practice and not the real thing.

Hope this helps,

-LIS
 
I just received the TBR books for gen chem and physics today.

Can someone post how they use these books in a timely/organized manner that has worked?
I'm taking my MCAT on July 16th and I want to make sure I'm using these books to their maximum potential.

I was thinking about just doing 2 sections a day (one from phys and one from gen chem) and then just moving through it like that. I'll be taking notes, of course, while reading each section.

Let me know what has worked ASAP!
 
Best way to practice. Best attitude to have.

Guys, don't be afraid to get questions wrong. You have to treat it like a learning opportunity and not a criticism. In the beginning you might be getting hammered by the passages and doing bad. A few weeks later you're doing slightly better or the same. A couple months later you rarely ever get any wrong. I'm a true and honest believer that if you practice and get hammered enough and get questions wrong while reviewing thoroughly then eventually you'll master the material. I know it sounds scary but you can seriously only make the same mistake 5 or 6 times before you never make that mistake again. That's why you practice, so you make it in practice and not the real thing.

Hope this helps,

-LIS

EXCELLENT post, as usual. I think people underestimate the importance of learning from their mistakes. If you think about any championship sports team or great artistic performer, they pay their dues and make mistakes in practice to get better and better so they perform their best on game day. That's the secret to a great score: systematic hard work!

I disagree. Even BR's best instructors will tell you that most their students use other [biology] books for content while combing their passages. Their [biology] book was written by a UC Berkeley professor who teaches like an average upper division Berkeley Biology professor would (by trying to impress you with how extensive their information is instead of actually trying to teach you bio). So far, I prefer TPR Bio for the best balance of information and conceptual teaching.

As for passages, I haven't gotten very far to give good advice, but so far I've preferred BR Bio's passages over EK 1001's. The few passages I've worked with in EK 1001 have had some weird questions and questionable answer choices that I've disagreed with. Again, I haven't gotten very far in either book so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I'm not sure I fall into the category of teachers you mentioned (not teaching at this moment), but I have my opinion on the biology materials. I try to be as unbiased as possible, but I have some background information that makes it impossible. First off, the biology text was written exclusively by one person who did in fact teach once upon a time at Cal. But the passages and answer explanations are the work of multiple authors. That is probably the main reason why people have a hate/love experience and find the passages to be great and the text to be overwhelming. But in defense of the text, there have been plenty of MCATs this year where people have said after the fact how grateful they were to have done the BR biology. In all honesty, I was overwhelmed by it personally. But I have seen plenty of students who loved it and did quite well. It's a personal choice which text works best for you, but I would strongly suggest that BR bio passages be a part of everyone's practice materials.

My general recommendation to any student who asks is always "stick to one material for general review, but get as many different passage sources as you can find, to ensure you get exposed to several different styles of passage and question writing."

BR bio is the best for content. You should be able to tell what's necessary to know and what isn't.

I agree with your opinion that you should be able to tell what's necessary to know and what isn't, but the honest truth is that many of my students over the years didn't always exercise their common sense in that fashion. The BR bio text seemed a great fit for the student who had a good working knowledge of the material that felt comfortable skimming through the sections they knew and thoroughly absorbing the material in the sections they didn't know as well. But with so many people having different opinions of what biology review is best, it really is a personal preference based on background and learning style.
 
Still plugging along. Did my second round of passages out of BR Gen Chem section II (Atomic Theory) and I am starting to see improvement.

Missed 5 of 27. That is an improvement 😎

About to study a section in physics.
 
Hello all,

I've begun to follow TBR's post game analysis for the gen chem and physics, the one for HW Phase one that says:

"Do some of the passages (the suggested passages will be listed later in this document) using a pencil.
Write a detailed explanation of how you eliminated wrong answers and/or zeroed in on the best answer.
Once you have completed the passages, grade each question using the answer key following the last
question (using the answer letters at the start of each answer explanation at the end of the corresponding
chapters), marking incorrect questions using blue ink. Repeat any questions you got incorrect using blue
ink. Grade them once again using the answer key, marking incorrect questions using red ink. Read the
detailed answer and using red ink, write out how you should have answered the questions. This is very
time consuming, but it presents a color-coded view of what you know well (pencil only), what you need
to review a little (pencil and blue ink), and what you need to restudy (pencil, blue ink, and red ink). DO
NOT worry about your timing on these first passages!"

My question is, who else is using this? And how are you finding it helpful?


Cheers.
 
Thanks, i was freaking out when i posted this. I'd spent a day and a half reading the IR and mass spec chapter of my text and doing the problems and i'd spent another day reading the NMR chapter in the textbook and i still didn't get. I looked in TPR ochem content and it wasn't making sense. TBR at the beginning was losing me so i looked in the kaplan premier book, for some reason it made sense and then i did their online spectroscopy workshop (i spent 1.5hrs taking notes alongside ) and it did a good number on me. so i came back and i didn't read TBR chapter but i did all the questions on NMR and IR and i got it right,. I'm surprised kaplan saved the day but i'm very grateful. I really like how they covered it because after all the time wasted reading the textbook, i didn't know squat.

I would say that you need to understand the basics, which BR covers. If you can't understand the stuff in BR then maybe do a search online or read a handful of pages in your textbook (do NOT read a textbook before, do it retroactively upon necessity).

I just looked over the BR section, they have at least 5+ examples. Just read it thoroughly and understand it all and that should be good. NMR is required knowledge, every prepbook covers it.
 
Hello all,

I've begun to follow TBR's post game analysis for the gen chem and physics, the one for HW Phase one that says:

"Do some of the passages (the suggested passages will be listed later in this document) using a pencil.
Write a detailed explanation of how you eliminated wrong answers and/or zeroed in on the best answer.
Once you have completed the passages, grade each question using the answer key following the last
question (using the answer letters at the start of each answer explanation at the end of the corresponding
chapters), marking incorrect questions using blue ink. Repeat any questions you got incorrect using blue
ink. Grade them once again using the answer key, marking incorrect questions using red ink. Read the
detailed answer and using red ink, write out how you should have answered the questions. This is very
time consuming, but it presents a color-coded view of what you know well (pencil only), what you need
to review a little (pencil and blue ink), and what you need to restudy (pencil, blue ink, and red ink). DO
NOT worry about your timing on these first passages!"

My question is, who else is using this? And how are you finding it helpful?


Cheers.

I'm using it. But I like my system better.

I printed out a single sheet with 3 columns for each question (e.g. 1-100 for ochem chapters). Then if I miss one or two questions, then I can fill in the box so I can't see the previous answer attempt. This way I can repeat 3 times, but likely only twice in troubled areas. I use pencil for each attempt but I can obviously see which parts I'm missing more because more columns are filled in.

Then I just have a word doc with anything I missed, concepts, common misreading of questions or whatever tips. I'm on about a 6 week schedule so I obviously don't spend too much time in this document (like writing how I eliminated answers, etc. I would rather just do another passage instead of keeping an elaborate journal).

I find it very helpful.
 
HELP!

Hey guys

I'm really getting nailed on the bio passages, I just did CV-Resp system, understood all of it, but when I did the phase I passages...I got completely destroyed.

How have you guys been doing, and what can I do to perform better on the passages?

btw, I'm doing well in the PS passages, its just bio thats killing me for some reason.
 
HELP!

Hey guys

I'm really getting nailed on the bio passages, I just did CV-Resp system, understood all of it, but when I did the phase I passages...I got completely destroyed.

How have you guys been doing, and what can I do to perform better on the passages?

btw, I'm doing well in the PS passages, its just bio thats killing me for some reason.

The BR Bio passages are pretty hard. I'm averaging about 65% on 3 phases of Molecular Bio so far. Where are most of your mistakes happening? I've noticed that a good amount of questions I miss required some outside Biochem or more advanced O-Chem knowledge that I haven't reviewed yet to answer. I don't worry too much about those questions and focus more on questions I got wrong because I made careless mistakes or used faulty reasoning with basic concepts/passage information.

TPR Bio IMO so far is better and testing the simpler concepts and making sure you can apply them to experiments/situations you haven't seen before.
 
TPR Bio IMO so far is better and testing the simpler concepts and making sure you can apply them to experiments/situations you haven't seen before.

Awesome, someone finally agrees with me. This is so true. TBR can get weird at times about what they expect you to know and such. That's why I don't recommend it as a primary source for bio in content or passages.

-LIS
 
I'm using it. But I like my system better.

I printed out a single sheet with 3 columns for each question (e.g. 1-100 for ochem chapters). Then if I miss one or two questions, then I can fill in the box so I can't see the previous answer attempt. This way I can repeat 3 times, but likely only twice in troubled areas. I use pencil for each attempt but I can obviously see which parts I'm missing more because more columns are filled in.

Then I just have a word doc with anything I missed, concepts, common misreading of questions or whatever tips. I'm on about a 6 week schedule so I obviously don't spend too much time in this document (like writing how I eliminated answers, etc. I would rather just do another passage instead of keeping an elaborate journal).

I find it very helpful.

Brilliant adaptation. People who modify an idea or technique to work for better for their style/needs usually do great on this exam and in the application process. Here's a preemptive congratulations.

Your method does what the triple do-over approach does, but in a more time-efficient manner.
 
^To BerReviewTeach: Are some of the CBT tests much harder than others or do I just need to study more?
 
Thanks Don. I will probably just use your sheet if you don't mind?

I have been keeping all my papers stored away with explanations written beside the missed questions, but I hope to have a better system. This would certainly do the trick.
 
just finished Acid-Base section I.
i timed 8 minutes per passage, (did 5 passages)
i got 28/35 questions...
which is okay i guess,
but somehow,
i did not know the difference between the strength of conjugate acid and the greatest concentration of conjugate acid
and made stupid mistakes,
got 2 months and 3 days to go for the test. HOORAYYY
 
okay guys.
i just started 2nd physics book and finished sound section.
I did 3 passages (21 questions) in a timed manner.
i got 19/21 (i know it is amazing)
but in one of the questions i got wrong, i was just curious.

it goes like this:
When listening to a recording of their own voices, people often remark that their taped voice does not sound like the voice they hear when they speak aloud. Which of the following statements would explain this?

first of all, this qeustion had nothing to do with the passage (i know we get some of them.)
but, when you read the choices, you had to know if the bone transmit low frequency better or high frequency better (which i had no idea, BR, EK nor Kaplan talked about this), so i guessed this question and obviously got it wrong.
also, you were "required" to know if your spoken voice has higher frequency than your taped voice or not...
do you think we need to know that much in detail
or do you think the MCAT would have this type of question?
ARGHHHHH


I just did this section and I managed to get this question right. My reasoning was that the area that transmits lower freq. is deeper in the ear (from the outside), so I thought since our voice is closest to the area that transmits low freq. we may hear our own voice as lower than it actually is.

The real mcat can have very random questions too. I am retaking it and this time studing with BR which I love.
 
If you had to rank the TBR Physics II topics from hardest to easiest (or your lowest score to highest score), what would it look like?

Does something like

1. Electrostatics and Electromagnetism
2. Electrical Circuits
3. Fluids/Solids
4. Light/Optics
5. Sound

sound about right? Am I correct in assuming that most of you score lowest in Electrostatics and Electromagnetism or Electrical Circuits?
 
Chem Ch. 3
Phase I: 34/41 = 83% ~ 12

Physics Ch. 3
Phase I: 28/39 = 72% ~ 11

Bio Metabolic Pathways
Phase I: 24/35 = 69% ~ 10

O-Chem Ch. 3
Phase I: 26/35 = 74% ~ 11

Falling behind on passage review... back to work.
 
Can anyone who has completed TBR Physics II tell me which section first introduces the right hand rule? The reason I ask is because I am reading all the chapters right now and I started with Electrostatics & Electromagnetism since it's the most fresh in my head (finished Physics II last semester).

However, in school I was introduced to the right hand rule when studying electromagnetism, but in the TBR book I don't see an explanation for it (so I assume it's in a previous chapter... but which one? You don't need it for Fluids/Solids or anything else).
 
It's in one of the passages. I'm pretty sure it's in one of the first phases. That's another reason why I didn't like their E&M chapter, they wait to teach it to you in the passages and no in the reading.

Hope this helps,

-LIS
 
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I'm going by SN2's phases but here is my work the past couple days...

Gen Chem Sec. 2

Phase II: 22/27 ~12

Gen Chem Sec. 3 (Equilibrium)

Phase I: 27/35 ~11/12

Physics: Sec. 2 (Force, Motion and Gravitation)

Phase II: 17/21 ~11

Physics: Sec. 3 (Work & Energy)

Phase I: 17/28 ~9 (This was tough for me 👎)
 
Hey BerkReviewTeach,

I was hoping you could elucidate Gen Chem, Sec 3: Equilibrium, Passage 1, question 7.

How are we supposed to know that CO & CO2 come into the mix on this? I am sure it is simple since it is the first passage, but I can't figure it out.

Also, in the same section, passage 10 (X), question 65, could you give me more of an explanation?

I don't think I quite understand.

I could really use your help!
 
I'm going by SN2's phases but here is my work the past couple days...

Gen Chem Sec. 2

Phase II: 22/27 ~12

Gen Chem Sec. 3 (Equilibrium)

Phase I: 27/35 ~11/12

Physics: Sec. 2 (Force, Motion and Gravitation)

Phase II: 17/21 ~11

Physics: Sec. 3 (Work & Energy)

Phase I: 17/28 ~9 (This was tough for me 👎)

Nice, finally someone else joins me 👍

I'm not sure what your question is about #7 on passage 1... do you understand that the new reaction when combined with the 1st one will consume CO2 (the product of the 1st reaction) and therefore drive the 1st reaction to the right?
 
I'm having some difficulty with the kinetics section. I did the equilibrium section in book I and i understood it but for some reason, i feel like the kinetics section didn't start off right. Most of the questions in the text i'm getting wrong. It's all i've done all day (since i got home from the clinic.) Any ideas on how to tackle the kinetics chapter in the gen chem II book? My main problems are the zero, first and 2nd order reaction. i think i don't understand the table and whatever else goes along with that. Actually, i understand first order. i think i know pretty much that nuclear decay is first order. Right now,it's almost 3am and i think i need a break from kinetics for now. I'll try to read the chapters again tomorrow and see if it helps.
I'll appreciate any help and encouragement.
Thanks.
 
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