Best amongst schools that give out full scholarships?

[owenmichael]

Alot of good points!! Would just like to add some insight as a current student at Mayo

1) Board score average was a 238. This was the highest in the nation. Half the class scored in the top percentile. That being said... the board aren't everything.
2) It's true that some people in the non-medical community may not know Mayo has a medical school, but I've found that Mayo Clinic anything seems to lend instant credibility to it.
3) The few individuals who score low for mayo standards on the boards (which is still around the national average) seem to always stress that Mayo's name helped them get at least an interview at top institutions. The medical schools reputation amongst the medical community is amazing.
4) Yes, rochester is not like a college campus and is not an especially fun town... but our class is INCREDIBLE. At the end of the day I really think its the people and not the place. Faculty on the admissions committee have told us how incredibly rigorous the admissions process is for the doctors reviewing the applications! Our class is extremely diverse, fun, unique and from all walks of life. Even with this our class is really close! We have a ridiculous time going out, hanging out, doing whatever together. Admissions makes sure it ends up this way because our class is small.
5) No burn out.. no stress. We are one of the few schools that is TRUE pass/fail with NO AOA. Perfect collaborative learning environment.
6) Six weeks of class, followed by two weeks breaks through the first two years. Oh and they'll pay for you to travel anywhere to volunteer, work at clinics, do research during these two week breaks. There is not another school in the country that offers this sort of money so frequently to pursure incredible opportunities so easily.
7) Faculty to student ratio is easy to overlook. During anatomy lab we had two TA's, two extremely respected professors (one MD, one pHD), and then 3-4 "top of their field" specialists on the specific part of the body we were on from the clinic who would come in and go around and teach anatomy groups anything from the basics to clinical correlates. This is AMAZING! We pretty much had 1 teacher for every 5 students.
8) And to reaffirm the medical school's reputation.. I had a hard time choosing Mayo over other top 10 schools ONLY because of its location. The school far surpassed any other school I had interviewed at. I spoke to an ex-residency director at Duke, and a current one at Vandy who encouraged me to go to Mayo over a couple of top ten schools because of the amazing clinical training they said I would receive during rotations from leaders in their respective fields. What sealed the deal for me was when the Dukey said he would interview a student from Mayo anyday.
9) I know their have been tons of threads on this... but name does make a difference.
10) The doctors at the clinic go out of their way to PURSUE US for amazing research projects and shadowing because there ar so few med students (42) and so many doctors (1200).
11) Most important point: Mayo has a "patient first" mentality. Physicians here prioritize the needds of the patient first. Research is important but comes second, which is different from other top ten institutions. Its not that Mayo couldn't get a ton of NIH funding, its just that its not a priority. And the HUGE endowments the clinc receives from individuals all over the world who have loved the care they have received reduces the burden of needing to pursue NIH grants.
11) Alot of patients have gone out of their way to tell me how lucky I am to be a student here. There are quite a few patients that go out of the network coverage for insurance and fly from the east and west coast to be treated at Mayo. Again this is all anecdotal, but I've even had a few patients talk about their bad experiences at other top hospitals and their reasons for spending so much money to fly and stay in rochester just to get care at Mayo.
12) To the Hopkins post below... I interviewed there and it is an amazing instiution too. But Mayo's facilities really are a step above everything I've seen... and the students are no where near as cut throat (hopkins has the golden scalpel award for best cadaver dissector???)

Phew this turned into a long thing......... At the end of the day, the school is amazing, the city not so much. The other schools being discussed are also great! Just wanted to clarify any misconceptions out there.

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[Towelie]

Haha, Stolenspatulas, I have seen your posts a million times and they are always full of hot air. If the above is true, you must not know many doctors. And any doctor (if any) that you do know must be living in a closet or raised, educated, and working in the boonies. The medical school is known worldwide among doctors.

No it's not. Half of the doctors I worked with knew only of their residency programs, not the medical school.

 

[eekonomics]

When Mayo's hospital is SO SO SO respected (#2 in the country U.S. News Ranked) it's hard to compete.

You say that Mayo Medical School is less respected than Mayo Clinic the hospital (even Harvard's hopital system can't beat Mayo's), so how do you see Mayo's respectability among other medical schools?

Well, that's a question for residency directors - I don't know how respected Mayo graduates are compared to other top-caliber universities. I think the match list by speciality would probably speak to that question, when compared other schools, but I don't have access to such a list.

The point I was trying to make is that Mayo's hospital prestige has an impact on the medical school, but they are indeed different institutions. Residency at Mayo is much more impressive (in my opinion) than a medical degree from Mayo, but it depends on what you're comparing it to. It is hard for Mayo to out-do UCSF, Stanford, etc...but, it is probably better than Pitt. Just a thought.

 

[Towelie]

Here is last year's match list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=3455564&postcount=20

 

[Mr. Tee]

Here is last year's match list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=3455564&postcount=20

Doesn't quite compare to Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, Yale, etc. IMO.

 

[pyrois]

Doesn't quite compare to Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, Yale, etc. IMO.

True, but a lot of people at Mayo just want to go "home" for residency.

I met a couple people interviewing there who had already turned down interviews at Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, etc. because they didn't want to leave "home."

In fact, Mayo was the only place they were willing to interview at that wasn't near home.

I think if Mayo were exactly the same, but were in CA, there would be lots of people matching back into CA, or if on the east coast, back into the ivy's. Some people actually claim that that's why the UC's have a relatively biased rematch into California. It's not that they have an "edge" as CA residents (over people from high ranked Ivy's). It's simply that ALL of them reapply to all the UC's and would prefer a UC over a technically superior non-CA school.

That being said, it wouldn't hurt to have a couple people on that match list drop into UCSF. I guess with 42 students, they don't have too many to go around.

 

[pyrois]

I bet 99% of the people you ask would say Harvard or Hopkins.

Actually, relatively few people know about Hopkins. (I think Stanford is a lot more famous).

Then again, when my dad mentioned "UCSF" to my uncle, he was like "UCS What?" Most people think you just mean USF

But that's no reason to turn down UCSF.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Alot of good points!! Would just like to add some insight as a current student at Mayo

1) Board score average was a 238. This was the highest in the nation. Half the class scored in the top percentile. That being said... the board aren't everything.
2) It's true that some people in the non-medical community may not know Mayo has a medical school, but I've found that Mayo Clinic anything seems to lend instant credibility to it.
3) The few individuals who score low for mayo standards on the boards (which is still around the national average) seem to always stress that Mayo's name helped them get at least an interview at top institutions. The medical schools reputation amongst the medical community is amazing.
4) Yes, rochester is not like a college campus and is not an especially fun town... but our class is INCREDIBLE. At the end of the day I really think its the people and not the place. Faculty on the admissions committee have told us how incredibly rigorous the admissions process is for the doctors reviewing the applications! Our class is extremely diverse, fun, unique and from all walks of life. Even with this our class is really close! We have a ridiculous time going out, hanging out, doing whatever together. Admissions makes sure it ends up this way because our class is small.
5) No burn out.. no stress. We are one of the few schools that is TRUE pass/fail with NO AOA. Perfect collaborative learning environment.
6) Six weeks of class, followed by two weeks breaks through the first two years. Oh and they'll pay for you to travel anywhere to volunteer, work at clinics, do research during these two week breaks. There is not another school in the country that offers this sort of money so frequently to pursure incredible opportunities so easily.
7) Faculty to student ratio is easy to overlook. During anatomy lab we had two TA's, two extremely respected professors (one MD, one pHD), and then 3-4 "top of their field" specialists on the specific part of the body we were on from the clinic who would come in and go around and teach anatomy groups anything from the basics to clinical correlates. This is AMAZING! We pretty much had 1 teacher for every 5 students.
8) And to reaffirm the medical school's reputation.. I had a hard time choosing Mayo over other top 10 schools ONLY because of its location. The school far surpassed any other school I had interviewed at. I spoke to an ex-residency director at Duke, and a current one at Vandy who encouraged me to go to Mayo over a couple of top ten schools because of the amazing clinical training they said I would receive during rotations from leaders in their respective fields. What sealed the deal for me was when the Dukey said he would interview a student from Mayo anyday.
9) I know their have been tons of threads on this... but name does make a difference.
10) The doctors at the clinic go out of their way to PURSUE US for amazing research projects and shadowing because there ar so few med students (42) and so many doctors (1200).
11) Most important point: Mayo has a "patient first" mentality. Physicians here prioritize the needds of the patient first. Research is important but comes second, which is different from other top ten institutions. Its not that Mayo couldn't get a ton of NIH funding, its just that its not a priority. And the HUGE endowments the clinc receives from individuals all over the world who have loved the care they have received reduces the burden of needing to pursue NIH grants.
11) Alot of patients have gone out of their way to tell me how lucky I am to be a student here. There are quite a few patients that go out of the network coverage for insurance and fly from the east and west coast to be treated at Mayo. Again this is all anecdotal, but I've even had a few patients talk about their bad experiences at other top hospitals and their reasons for spending so much money to fly and stay in rochester just to get care at Mayo.
12) To the Hopkins post below... I interviewed there and it is an amazing instiution too. But Mayo's facilities really are a step above everything I've seen... and the students are no where near as cut throat (hopkins has the golden scalpel award for best cadaver dissector???)

Phew this turned into a long thing......... At the end of the day, the school is amazing, the city not so much. The other schools being discussed are also great! Just wanted to clarify any misconceptions out there.

I wish they didn't reject me

 

[pyrois]

Many don't even know it has a medical school.

Probably because, with 42 graduates each year, and so many ending up working at a Mayo Clinic or back in their hometowns, it's unlikely they have ever met, or ever will meet a doctor from Mayo Clinic.

 

[Mr. Tee]

Actually, relatively few people know about Hopkins. (I think Stanford is a lot more famous).

Actually, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that. On an international scale, people still know of Hopkins.

 

[pyrois]

Actually, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that. On an international scale, people still know of Hopkins.

True, Hopkins is apparently crazy in China

Americans aren't too... knowledgeable about such things

 

[Towelie]

Actually, relatively few people know about Hopkins. (I think Stanford is a lot more famous).

Then again, when my dad mentioned "UCSF" to my uncle, he was like "UCS What?" Most people think you just mean USF

But that's no reason to turn down UCSF.

Seriously? Most docs and med students that I've met separate all US allo schools into 2 categories: "Harvard and Hopkins," and "everywhere else."

 

[Lests55]

Alot of good points!! Would just like to add some insight as a current student at Mayo

1) Board score average was a 238. This was the highest in the nation. Half the class scored in the top percentile. That being said... the board aren't everything.
2) It's true that some people in the non-medical community may not know Mayo has a medical school, but I've found that Mayo Clinic anything seems to lend instant credibility to it.
3) The few individuals who score low for mayo standards on the boards (which is still around the national average) seem to always stress that Mayo's name helped them get at least an interview at top institutions. The medical schools reputation amongst the medical community is amazing.
4) Yes, rochester is not like a college campus and is not an especially fun town... but our class is INCREDIBLE. At the end of the day I really think its the people and not the place. Faculty on the admissions committee have told us how incredibly rigorous the admissions process is for the doctors reviewing the applications! Our class is extremely diverse, fun, unique and from all walks of life. Even with this our class is really close! We have a ridiculous time going out, hanging out, doing whatever together. Admissions makes sure it ends up this way because our class is small.
5) No burn out.. no stress. We are one of the few schools that is TRUE pass/fail with NO AOA. Perfect collaborative learning environment.
6) Six weeks of class, followed by two weeks breaks through the first two years. Oh and they'll pay for you to travel anywhere to volunteer, work at clinics, do research during these two week breaks. There is not another school in the country that offers this sort of money so frequently to pursure incredible opportunities so easily.7) Faculty to student ratio is easy to overlook. During anatomy lab we had two TA's, two extremely respected professors (one MD, one pHD), and then 3-4 "top of their field" specialists on the specific part of the body we were on from the clinic who would come in and go around and teach anatomy groups anything from the basics to clinical correlates. This is AMAZING! We pretty much had 1 teacher for every 5 students.
8) And to reaffirm the medical school's reputation.. I had a hard time choosing Mayo over other top 10 schools ONLY because of its location. The school far surpassed any other school I had interviewed at. I spoke to an ex-residency director at Duke, and a current one at Vandy who encouraged me to go to Mayo over a couple of top ten schools because of the amazing clinical training they said I would receive during rotations from leaders in their respective fields. What sealed the deal for me was when the Dukey said he would interview a student from Mayo anyday.
9) I know their have been tons of threads on this... but name does make a difference.
10) The doctors at the clinic go out of their way to PURSUE US for amazing research projects and shadowing because there ar so few med students (42) and so many doctors (1200).
11) Most important point: Mayo has a "patient first" mentality. Physicians here prioritize the needds of the patient first. Research is important but comes second, which is different from other top ten institutions. Its not that Mayo couldn't get a ton of NIH funding, its just that its not a priority. And the HUGE endowments the clinc receives from individuals all over the world who have loved the care they have received reduces the burden of needing to pursue NIH grants.
11) Alot of patients have gone out of their way to tell me how lucky I am to be a student here. There are quite a few patients that go out of the network coverage for insurance and fly from the east and west coast to be treated at Mayo. Again this is all anecdotal, but I've even had a few patients talk about their bad experiences at other top hospitals and their reasons for spending so much money to fly and stay in rochester just to get care at Mayo.
12) To the Hopkins post below... I interviewed there and it is an amazing instiution too. But Mayo's facilities really are a step above everything I've seen... and the students are no where near as cut throat (hopkins has the golden scalpel award for best cadaver dissector???)

Phew this turned into a long thing......... At the end of the day, the school is amazing, the city not so much. The other schools being discussed are also great! Just wanted to clarify any misconceptions out there.

I didn't even get to talk to Mayo on the phone, but this is an interesting setup. I didn't remember this from the website. What exaxtly happens during this time. Can you really do research of any significance in 2 weeks? Do you just go back to it? Or are you doing clinical reports that aren't time-sensitive like the basic science stuff? Just curious as to what exactly goes on. Congrats on your acceptance, I am jealous.

 

[Xibye]

Actually, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that. On an international scale, people still know of Hopkins.

It's all who you ask. There are people who haven't heard of Mayo who have heard of Hopkins. There are people who haven't heard of Hopkins that have heard of Mayo. Any well-educated doctor and residency director will know they are both top schools. This thread is about the best of the schools that give full scholarships....so I still think Mayo's got it going on.


Towlie - I think you need to do another survey. I think if you really get out there and speak with doctors they will know Mayo Medical School for sure.

"Residency at Mayo is much more impressive (in my opinion) than a medical degree from Mayo" - Eekonomics

As for the comment above, I'd say that residency at Harvard or Hopkins is more impressive than medical school at Harvard or Hopkins as well. Residency at Mayo is impressive as you say, and Mayo Medical School grads have a better shot at getting their residency at Mayo than outsiders anyhow.

 

[MWillie]

Washington U all the way.

 

[Towelie]

It's all who you ask. There are people who haven't heard of Mayo who have heard of Hopkins. There are people who haven't heard of Hopkins that have heard of Mayo. Any well-educated doctor and residency director will know they are both top schools. This thread is about the best of the schools that give full scholarships....so I still think Mayo's got it going on.


Towlie - I think you need to do another survey. I think if you really get out there and speak with doctors they will know Mayo Medical School for sure.

"Residency at Mayo is much more impressive (in my opinion) than a medical degree from Mayo" - Eekonomics

As for the comment above, I'd say that residency at Harvard or Hopkins is more impressive than medical school at Harvard or Hopkins as well. Residency at Mayo is impressive as you say, and Mayo Medical School grads have a better shot at getting their residency at Mayo than outsiders anyhow.

Don't get me wrong. I like Mayo. If they were in a different location I would have applied and been dying to go there (my wife vetoed the idea of Mayo when I told her where it was).

But to say that Mayo is anywhere near as respected as Harvard or Hopkins as a medical school is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Xibye]

Don't get me wrong. I like Mayo. If they were in a different location I would have applied and been dying to go there (my wife vetoed the idea of Mayo when I told her where it was).

But to say that Mayo is anywhere near as respected as Harvard or Hopkins as a medical school is a bit ridiculous.

I think you and some others missed the topic of this thread somewhat, cause we are ranking schools that offer full rides to their medical schools. And of those schools I put Mayo at or at least towards the very top. As for Harvard and Hopkins, I agree that they are more respected, but I think it is "ridiculous" to say Mayo is not "anywhere near" as respected. I guess distance between medical school rank is all relative, but with all the medical schools out there I would say Mayo is somewhat less respected than Harvard and Hopkins, but right up at the top with them.

 

[indiamacbean]

Pitt gives out full rides or at least used to. Now I believe you have to do the 5 year program. when I got one it was just for being purty and smarrt. you guys can kick around this Harvard vs. Mayo debate all you want but just wait until you interview for residency. there are a couple of schools that just shine for program directors and Mayo (like my true love Pitt) simply isn't one of them. When you interview at places like MGH/BWH/UCSF/Yale/Stanford/Michigan/Even Mayo Etc. you will see that nothing trumps being from one of the big dogs. can it be done to get into a crazy competitive residency from outside of the top5? definetly. will you have to rise to the occasion? yep. and if you get a full ride, do yourself a favor and take the money. if you are unhappy 4 years from now when all of your classmates are 150,000+ in debt, send me a PM and I'll buy you a drink.

 

[sunnyjohn]

I'll take my chances at Mayo with the big scholarships. That will leave space and more $ at Hopkins and Harvard for you guys.



*Sunny pulls out watch*

"You are in my power. Mayo sucks. Minnesota is cold and you will never find anyone to have sex with there ever. You will die cold and alone in Rochester. Hopkins will put her loving Baltimore arms around you. Harvard will be your sweet, sweet mistress. Apply to JHU and Harvard. You will forget the word MAYO and this post"

 

[eekonomics]

Don't get me wrong. I like Mayo. If they were in a different location I would have applied and been dying to go there (my wife vetoed the idea of Mayo when I told her where it was).

But to say that Mayo is anywhere near as respected as Harvard or Hopkins as a medical school is a bit ridiculous.

Agreed - Mayo just isn't in the same league as Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, Yale, Stanford, UCSF as a medical school - and I think that's a well-accepted fact, right?

 

[eekonomics]

I think you and some others missed the topic of this thread somewhat, cause we are ranking schools that offer full rides to their medical schools. And of those schools I put Mayo at or at least towards the very top. As for Harvard and Hopkins, I agree that they are more respected, but I think it is "ridiculous" to say Mayo is not "anywhere near" as respected. I guess distance between medical school rank is all relative, but with all the medical schools out there I would say Mayo is somewhat less respected than Harvard and Hopkins, but right up at the top with them.

Yeah, I think that Wash U's full ride pretty much trumps Mayo's free ride, so I have to disagree on that count too.

 

[JohnMadden]

If you're evaluating the schools based purely on education, it would have to be WashU... PERIOD.

 

[Towelie]

If you're evaluating the schools based purely on education, it would have to be WashU... PERIOD.

What about Penn? Their hospitals and reputation definitely rivals WashU's. Plus you get extra clinical time

 

[Xibye]

Agreed - Mayo just isn't in the same league as Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, Yale, Stanford, UCSF as a medical school - and I think that's a well-accepted fact, right?

I think you are too U.S. News-centric. If you get out and talk with people and actually take the time to visit Mayo you will have a different impression. The school is up there with the ones you listed. Good luck wherever you choose. As for me, I'm still waiting on Mayo and my free ride.

p.s. I found Wash U utterly unimpressive. By the way, take a self defense course. St Louis is the most dangerous city in the US (2006).

 

[Shadowboricua]

na

 

[Xibye]

Medical students at Mayo get patient exposure at the "so-called" #2 ranked hospital since their first year. 99% of Residencies require that you have a good base on clinical skills, and they would favor someone trained at a top hospital over any other... This plus full ride + paid trips every 6 weeks to shadow or do research anywhere in the world for 2 weeks + the opportunity to treat or see the next sick President or World leader (W Bush, Reagan, Ford, Kennedy, King Hussein, Pat Kennedy, etc, all chose Mayo for treatment)+ cheap city + need-based financial help on top of full ride+amazing + facilities + Money to burn + one of the highest board scores + all the other things mentioned in other posts... Can't understand why anyone would say that it should not be ranked higher.

I went to interview at Weill Cornell, WashU, Albert Einstein, Mayo, etc.... Granted that I love NYC, Mayo was the best among them all. In my opinion Cornell was better than WashU, and WashU did not even come close to Mayo. I met people at Mayo that interviewed at Harvard and Hopkins, and they still could not get pass Mayo's facilities, support for their students, research, and the unlimited opportunities.

If you ask anyone on the street what they think about Brigham and Women's Hospital, in this country or in the World, they would not know what to say or where it is. People know Harvard because of its history, because it is ubiquitous (movies, pop culture, etc), and because it is great at many things. People would not necessarilly know its affiliated Hospitals. If you ask the medical community or anyone working in Health Care, they would know that Brigham and Women's is a great Hospital... The same goes for Mayo, doctors know about Mayo, and even if they are surprise that it has a medical school, they will know that if you are trained there, you must be getting one of the best trainings in the medical field.

By the way, I just got my invitation for Mayo's second look weekend. They pay for everything, transportation, lodging, food, etc!!! Do other schools do this on their second look weekends??? Just wondering!

Right on

 

[rax]

To some of you out there, you know who you are,

I have been accepted at Hopkins, NYU, and Wash U so far and I have made my decision to attend NYU without a doubt. I was expecting to LOVE Hopkins and was particularly disappointed by this school when I visited. The facilities were mediocre, the students were uninteresting, and some of the staff/faculty was downright rude. It was awful. I almost wish I was never asked to interview because it ruined my impression of this "perfect" "number-one" school. So those of you who interviewed or were accepted there, be careful in your decision. Just cause something is ranked high in U.S. News doesn't mean it's the s***

My 2 cents!

 

[monday_best]

How would you rank these (ignoring cost)?

I'd probably go

1. U Penn
2. Wash U
3. U Mich
4. Mayo
5. U Chicago
6. Vanderbilt
7. Case Western
6.

I'm curious about your rationale. Right now I'm trying to decide between UChicago, Vandy, and WashU and may have substantial aid offers from one or more. Besides the U.S. News rankings, what are you basing your impressions on?

How do you all feel in general about Vandy vs. UChicago?

 

[crimsonkid85]

To some of you out there, you know who you are,

I have been accepted at Hopkins, NYU, and Wash U so far and I have made my decision to attend NYU without a doubt. I was expecting to LOVE Hopkins and was particularly disappointed by this school when I visited. The facilities were mediocre, the students were uninteresting, and some of the staff/faculty was downright rude. It was awful. I almost wish I was never asked to interview because it ruined my impression of this "perfect" "number-one" school. So those of you who interviewed or were accepted there, be careful in your decision. Just cause something is ranked high in U.S. News doesn't mean it's the s***

My 2 cents!

that's funny. i went with the exact opposite expectations: i applied only as a reach school; i was expecting everyone to be rude, obnoxiously competitive, etc etc. instead, everyone there was so supportive, and nice. i left the interview feeling that i could go to JHU, DESPITE it being in baltimore... i guess it depends on your expectations going into the interview?

 

[Falco2525]

I'm curious about your rationale. Right now I'm trying to decide between UChicago, Vandy, and WashU and may have substantial aid offers from one or more. Besides the U.S. News rankings, what are you basing your impressions on?

How do you all feel in general about Vandy vs. UChicago?

I would choose based on location, cost, and overall feel when you were there...which is cheaper? Which location do you like better? Both are great schools and the education you get a both will be top notch

 

[MossPoh]

Mayo gives 40% of their students a full ride.

Not to mention I believe you can get instate tuition if you are from Florida, Minn, and I forget the other state....It is kind of tough to rank any of these schools...they are all beyond fantastic. It is almost like choosing a supermodel to bang.....who cares. They are all supermodels.

 

[Falco2525]

Not to mention I believe you can get instate tuition if you are from Florida, Minn, and I forget the other state....It is kind of tough to rank any of these schools...they are all beyond fantastic. It is almost like choosing a supermodel to bang.....who cares. They are all supermodels.

i thought Mayo was in Minn...

 

[Shadowboricua]

na

 

[Hednej]

Mayo should be considered a top 10 school b/c it rejected me.
Plus, they have lots of private funding, money coming out of their ears. You wanna know why? Cuz they took my check and sent me a rejection EMAIL

 

[Mr. Tee]

that's funny. i went with the exact opposite expectations: i applied only as a reach school; i was expecting everyone to be rude, obnoxiously competitive, etc etc. instead, everyone there was so supportive, and nice. i left the interview feeling that i could go to JHU, DESPITE it being in baltimore... i guess it depends on your expectations going into the interview?

That's how I felt too! Both before and after.

 

[Mr. Tee]

p.s. I found Wash U utterly unimpressive. By the way, take a self defense course. St Louis is the most dangerous city in the US (2006).

Do you believe in skewed statistics?

 

[Xibye]

Do you believe in skewed statistics?

Sure St Louis was ranked #1 this year (and towards the top of the list other years) and I cited that for simplicity. But of course this brings up our question of how precise these rank numbers are whether it be crime or school quality. What is absolutely safe to say, even with the uncertainty that comes with exact rank numbers, is that St Louis is among the most dangerous cities in the country (I lived there for 3 years there an I don't know anybody that would argue with that)....and Mayo is among the best medical schools in the country.

 

[Xibye]

It is kind of tough to rank any of these schools...they are all beyond fantastic. It is almost like choosing a supermodel to bang.....who cares. They are all supermodels.

As a supermodel myself, I am offended by your comment. That aside. I agree with your point completely.

 

[Mr. Tee]

Sure St Louis was ranked #1 this year (and towards the top of the list other years) and I cited that for simplicity. But of course this brings up our question of how precise these rank numbers are whether it be crime or school quality. What is absolutely safe to say, even with the uncertainty that comes with exact rank numbers, is that St Louis is among the most dangerous cities in the country (I lived there for 3 years there an I don't know anybody that would argue with that)....and Mayo is among the best medical schools in the country.

Next time the statistics comes out for the 3 million in St. Louis County instead of the 300,000 in downtown St. Louis, let me know.

 

[Xibye]

Mayo should be considered a top 10 school b/c it rejected me.
Plus, they have lots of private funding, money coming out of their ears. You wanna know why? Cuz they took my check and sent me a rejection EMAIL

At least they TOLD you that they rejected you. I hate schools that leave you hanging for a year with absolutely no news. Especially when there's a good chance they've made their decision (rejected) and just don't feel obligated to pass along the news. False hope is far more painful than rejection (IMO).

 

[45408]

Seriously? Most docs and med students that I've met separate all US allo schools into 2 categories: "Harvard and Hopkins," and "everywhere else."

I bet a lot of lay people would think that the big med schools would be Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Duke. Maybe they've heard the name Hopkins.


(ps - don't. you know what I mean )

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

I bet a lot of lay people would think that the big med schools would be Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Duke. Maybe they've heard the name Hopkins.


(ps - don't. you know what I mean )

omg omg omg noob!

princeton doesn't have a med school!

 

[Xibye]

Next time the statistics comes out for the 3 million in St. Louis County instead of the 300,000 in downtown St. Louis, let me know.

That's a silly comment. The city ranking was just that - cities. A county is not a city. If you included the whole surrounding county for most cities their crime statistics would be greatly reduced by affluent suburbs surrounding. We're talking about the cities themselves, not the counties. And yes, St Louis the city is terrible. Take it from someone who knows.

 

[jjmack]

That's a silly comment. The city ranking was just that - cities. A county is not a city. If you included the whole surrounding county for most cities their crime statistics would be greatly reduced by affluent suburbs surrounding. We're talking about the cities themselves, not the counties. And yes, St Louis the city is terrible. Take it from someone who knows.

some how nashville has the whole county considered the city of nashville. yes, I agree I don't see the point unless you want to inflate your population numbers.

 

[Mr. Tee]

That's a silly comment. The city ranking was just that - cities. A county is not a city. If you included the whole surrounding county for most cities their crime statistics would be greatly reduced by affluent suburbs surrounding. We're talking about the cities themselves, not the counties. And yes, St Louis the city is terrible. Take it from someone who knows.

So WashU is not in "St. Louis" as you describe? The Central West End wasn't counted in the statistics. And you're right, it's in a great location. BTW, its address is in St. Louis, so something must have been awry in the statistics

 

[R-35]

Washington U all the way.

/agree

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

so would folks say that it's about every month that wash u and whether st. louis is dangerous comes up in a thread?

 

[45408]

Washington U all the way.

 

[crimsonkid85]

That's how I felt too! Both before and after.

yay! maybe we'll be classmates

 

[NovemberWhiskey]

This thread is extremely entertaining please continue.