BEST pharmacy schools in the US?

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This question has perplexed me for quite sometime...

I've seen the old US News and World Report
and the peer review rankings but...

what kinds of things are you guys hearing as far as what schools are the "cream of the crop."

What are your personal #1's and why??

These two I keep hearing of as best (whatever "best" means)--
Kentucky
San Fran

Thanks all--skp 👍

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Hi!
skp,

My number choices are:
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Texas-Austin
because of location, reputation, etc...
 
You should take all of these rankings with about a pound of salt being as though there are no empirical indicators at all associated with them. Look at the average NAPLEX scores posted on the school's website because that's about as good of an indicator you will be able to get. From what I understand, all the schools that have a good reputation are pretty much the same vis-a-vis quality of education.

That said, I think Wisconsin has the best school being that about a bazillion of our faculty members come from there and they are all damn good professors.
 
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that's a lot of salt
 
Its not the best pharmacy school ranking, it's the best pharmacy school for you. That is why I choose South University...I love the fact everyone is family and it's an accelerated 3 year program
 
Yeah I understand "the pharmacy school for you" bit...
but I want to know
are their "ivy leaguers" out their

from what I'm getting...it sound like a "no" but I'll leave it open

I'm just curious--not trying to make a quantitative call
 
i have heard UCSF has some excellent program. and they back that up with most amount of NIH grant.
 
Univ. Texas at Austin

followed by UCSF just because I'm bias.
 
UCSF - because it is ~20 minutes from my house.

I wouldn't have to worry about "living expenses". (I'd live at home) 😉

It's one of the cheapest schools in CA.

My son was born there.

My mother works there.

Yes, I am biased. 😀
 
Why asking for best schools? I mean...it depends on your values and beliefs. Sure, I believe UCSF is a good school, but that doesn't mean the rest sucks. ALso, I rather do well in a known as "bad" school and earn as much as education than being in a good school with struggling...
 
It depends on what you are interested in doing. Some schools have different tracks. It really depends on what you want. I chose UF because:

A. My tuition is < $7K a year. (not a semester - the entire year!)
B. I can live at home.
C. they have virtually a 100% pass rate on the NAPLEX for grads taking exam for the first time.
 
The best pharmacy school, in my opinion, is the one that sends me a letter that starts out: Congratulations.........

after that, it is all gravy. 🙂
 
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jemc2000 said:
The best pharmacy school, in my opinion, is the one that sends me a letter that starts out: Congratulations.........

after that, it is all gravy. 🙂
tru dat!
 
well, good info. thus far---truth being I'd go anywhere that gave me any acceptance letter, as you say...

how about residencies...top residency schools

psychiatric pharmacy residencies??

clinical residencies?

pediatric residencies?

anyone have info. on these types of things... 👍
 
it also depends on if you want your faculty to be into research

i personally love the fact that while yes the faculty at my school does some research they are teachers first and formost.

its going to be the same thing with the residencies....

i know here we offer a DIC residency and a managed care residency.

i personally don't care about either of those so to me this school would suck for residencies.


good luck finding what you want... you wont.

it is all relative.
 
bbmuffin said:
good luck finding what you want... you wont.

it is all relative.

I want relative answers
I want personal bias
I want people to talk up what they wish
I'll say it again...I just would like to hear some opinions
and by the way, thank you for yours
its all good
 
Admit it or not, there are some good schools and there are some bad. People just don't want to admit it because that's where they're not at. Of course what's best for you and how comfortable you feel there is the last determinant but if Med Schools can be ranked, why can't Pharmacy?

Base on ratings, NAPLEX pass rates, grants, and overall reputation,

UCSF ranks #1 followed by #2 ranked Univ Texas at Austin

There are other schools that I know have very bad reputation with graduates being incompetent to perform duties etc (cheating, low pass rates, etc). I will not list these names for their sake. I don't want to be a hater.

I'm not at one of those above schools but I'm happy where I am at 👍
 
Thx, my good doctor
 
DrPharm said:
Admit it or not, there are some good schools and there are some bad. People just don't want to admit it because that's where they're not at. Of course what's best for you and how comfortable you feel there is the last determinant but if Med Schools can be ranked, why can't Pharmacy?

Base on ratings, NAPLEX pass rates, grants, and overall reputation,

UCSF ranks #1 followed by #2 ranked Univ Texas at Austin

There are other schools that I know have very bad reputation with graduates being incompetent to perform duties etc (cheating, low pass rates, etc). I will not list these names for their sake. I don't want to be a hater.

I'm not at one of those above schools but I'm happy where I am at 👍
ooooooooooo speaking of cheaters......
we had a HUGE incidence earlier this semester with our first year class....
here they let you go to the bathroom in the middle of the test if you have to go
i personally can't imagine why but something about some honor code...
well....
someone found a biochem cheat sheet in the men's restroom after a biochem test
they turned it in and the prof said " there were a lot more people going to the bathroom than usual"

wonder if that means i got to a cheater school...........

i would love to see the naplex passing rates for all schools (well doesn't matter know but i would have liked to have seen it before i started)

I think that would be the best way to rank schools... pass rates!

i would be fine admitting i go to a crappy school (though its rather hard if it is so crappy) so please can someone PM me or let me know if samford is a crappy school!!
i'm just curious..
 
Last year's graduating class at UCSF had a 100% pass rate on the NAPLEX.
 
Lexian said:
Last year's graduating class at UCSF had a 100% pass rate on the NAPLEX.

that's fantastic!!
was it quality of applicants/students or quality of instructors or both?
 
bbmuffin said:
i would love to see the naplex passing rates for all schools (well doesn't matter know but i would have liked to have seen it before i started)

I think that would be the best way to rank schools... pass rates!

I know each individual school has their pass rates. I haven't found one place that lists them all. You can at least find out your own school's pass rate. If a school doesn't want you to know, then I'd be worried.

You also need to look at few years worth of data. There is someone at UF who didn't pass several years ago. I don't know his/her name, but they have the dubious distinction of being UF's only failure in recent history.
 
skp said:
Yeah I understand "the pharmacy school for you" bit...
but I want to know
are their "ivy leaguers" out their

from what I'm getting...it sound like a "no" but I'll leave it open

I'm just curious--not trying to make a quantitative call

UCSF & UMich are really great schools. The ppl at UMich are especially helpful and supportive. UOP & USC (university of southern california) have great reps when it comes to CA schools... but UOP is my #1. *crossing my fingers*
 
Hi there!
As for residencies, there are definitely some schools for which residencies are not the most popular route (UOP, for example, correct me please if I am wrong... )--- UCSF would definitely offer you a chance to do any of the 3 residencies you mention (psych & peds), as there is a med center linked directly with UCSF. Also, for clinical research, UCSF and UCSD are great places to work with some innovative chemists and pharmacists!
The Clinicians in the Peds and Psych hospitals at UCSF are some of the most amazing pharmacists I've met!

Loma Linda & USC in SoCal are independent private universities with private hospitals that can offer you amazing opportunities, as well! When I was applying I was told how much more 'independence' some of the private institutions are, in terms of their academic structure and research.

We're in our first year and already we're getting the pressure that (supposedly) 'for residencies they look at your grades' and even with only one quarter behind us, we have that in mind! ack!

good luck & have a happy holiday-
 
Regardless of how schools are ranked... I wanted to also say that the academic environment at UCSF has been nothing but supportive, helpful, and really encouraging. As long as you find yourself in an environment where you have 'backup' on that front, it will all be fine! Whereever you decide to go, definitely meet up with current students and see how THEY are doing *now*... since that will be you in a year!

There are 122 of us in our first year and we *just* finished finals last week, and not a day went by when someone didn't jump in & email EVERYONE a study sheet or a study powerpoint presentation to keep everyone in the loop on one of our classes! the P2 and P3s have also been so helpful in running help sessions for us... they really made our first quarter survive-able! 🙂

Now it's time to rest!
 
Apteka said:
Regardless of how schools are ranked... I wanted to also say that the academic environment at UCSF has been nothing but supportive, helpful, and really encouraging. As long as you find yourself in an environment where you have 'backup' on that front, it will all be fine! Whereever you decide to go, definitely meet up with current students and see how THEY are doing *now*... since that will be you in a year!

There are 122 of us in our first year and we *just* finished finals last week, and not a day went by when someone didn't jump in & email EVERYONE a study sheet or a study powerpoint presentation to keep everyone in the loop on one of our classes! the P2 and P3s have also been so helpful in running help sessions for us... they really made our first quarter survive-able! 🙂

Now it's time to rest!


WOW--such thoroughness! Thx, Apteka

*another question if I may...(a little of post topic...but I started it so...)

Do students typically do residencies at the institution they do their PharmD or can you go to a different institution? (um...UCSF sounds kinda good)
I'm kinda stupid as far as these things go living in podunk, IA with no pre-pharmacy advisor (at least not one who's in the loop)

👍
 
Apteka said:
Regardless of how schools are ranked... I wanted to also say that the academic environment at UCSF has been nothing but supportive, helpful, and really encouraging. As long as you find yourself in an environment where you have 'backup' on that front, it will all be fine! Whereever you decide to go, definitely meet up with current students and see how THEY are doing *now*... since that will be you in a year!

There are 122 of us in our first year and we *just* finished finals last week, and not a day went by when someone didn't jump in & email EVERYONE a study sheet or a study powerpoint presentation to keep everyone in the loop on one of our classes! the P2 and P3s have also been so helpful in running help sessions for us... they really made our first quarter survive-able! 🙂

Now it's time to rest!


Ditto...the school really offers you a chance to be surrounded by a hub of research and great pharmacists (we have so many scientists working for the School of Pharmacy it's ridiculous). But many students feel the research aspect is stressed too much and is an intricate part of the curriculum (Apteka, am I right?). For example, having to take physical chemistry with lab...haha

Keep this in mind, what do you want out of the school (although wanting to go to a good school, ranked or not, can not be discounted)? What aspect of pharmacy are you looking to grow in? For example, right now, I am working with three other P1's in working at a UCSF HIV Clinic, where we hope we can cultivate a long term project that will become a project for our respective pathways. HIV is a big part of San Francisco and our hospitals, so some of the most cutting-edge HIV research, physicians, and clinical pharmacists are attracted to San Fran. But this is what I wanted out of my pharmacy school which is why I applied to UCSD and University of Arizona besides UCSF. But UCSF has a great curriculum that allows you to follow 3 pathways (Health Management and Policy, Research, and Pharmaceutical care (traditional)...it has a lot to offer but so do many other schools that have great programs.

good luck.
 
Hi!

How do you know the NAPLEX passing rates for all the pharmacy schools in the US?
 
npp71681 said:
Hi!

How do you know the NAPLEX passing rates for all the pharmacy schools in the US?


this information is posted on the state board of pharmacy site...there may be a link somewhere on here too.
 
npp71681 said:
Hi!

How do you know the NAPLEX passing rates for all the pharmacy schools in the US?

i was informed that the board will be changing naplex in may to make it more difficult. my cousin is taking it in june & was pretty damned pissed. naplex usually has a high passing rate - about 20% higher than the CA exam (thank god they eliminated that test!)
 
pharmdsj said:
i was informed that the board will be changing naplex in may to make it more difficult. my cousin is taking it in june & was pretty damned pissed. naplex usually has a high passing rate - about 20% higher than the CA exam (thank god they eliminated that test!)

Here's the info we received at school:

Dear Pharmacy Students,


The passing rate for the first time NAPLEX for UF COP graduates has been essentially 100% for many years. The dedication by faculty, the high standards of the PharmD curriculum, and the hardwork of pharmacy students has insured successful performance on the NAPLEX. UF pharmacy graduates' average score (approximately 108) is higher than the state and national averages on the NAPLEX (approximately 102 and 104, respectively) over many years.


The National Association of Boards of Pharmacy (NABP) has announced that it has concluded a recent analysis of the practice of pharmacy. The analysis consisted of an evaluation of current educational outcomes and competency statements and an expert review of the current North American Pharmacist Licensure Examination (NAPLEX) blueprint content. The outcome of this process resulted in revisions to the current NAPLEX blueprint. Some of the most noteworthy changes include increasing the emphasis on communication skills, treating over-the-counter and prescription products equally, and adding a competency specifically addressing dietary supplements.


The final step in this review process involved a panel of content experts from across the country to participate in a passing score study to determine the "minimally acceptable level" of performance on this licensure examination. The focus of the panel throughout the study was on the level of knowledge and performance related to pharmacy practice that is expected of a pharmacist in order to protect the health and welfare of the public. As a result of the study, a new passing standard was recommended by the panel and approved by the NABP Executive Committee. It is important to emphasize that the minimum passing score remains a scaled score of 75, just as it always has.


The updated blueprint and passing standard for the NAPLEX will go into effect in May 2005. All NAPLEX examinations administered on or after this date will be based on the updated blueprint and passing standard, regardless of when the candidate registers or is approved by the board of pharmacy.


The updated blueprint is available on NABP's web site www.nabp.net, and it will accompany the updated NAPLEX/MPJE Registration Bulletin, which will be available in late 2004.


(From NAPB: Most Frequently Asked Questions about the NAPLEX Passing Standards)


1. Does the new standard mean that the minimum passing score will now be higher than 75?


No. The lowest acceptable level of ability will continue to translate into a scaled score of 75. The only difference is that the lowest acceptable level of ability will be higher.


2. Does this mean that more candidates will fail based on the new standard?


Whether or not a state or school will notice an increase in failure rate will depend primarily on the following two critera: first, the performance of candidates who have previously scored very close to the passing score; and second, the extents to which candidates in the future perform like they have in the past. Because of the nature of the NAPLEX passing standard, all candidates who perform at or above the minimally acceptable level receive a passing score. If instituting a higher level passing standard causes candidates to prepare better than they had previously, their increased level of performance would like offset any tendency toward an increased failure rate. On the other hand, if candidates continue to prepare as they have in the past, we would expect the higher standard to result in a higher failure rate.


3. How will the scaled scores that are reported to us be affected?


The scaled scores that will be reported will still range from 0 to 150, where a 75 designates the lowest acceptable level of performance.


4. When will the new passing standard go into effect?


The new passing standard will be implemented in conjunction with the revised NAPLEX blueprint in May of 2005. All candidates who attempt the NAPLEX after May 1, 2005, will receive an examination based on the revised blueprint and a score based on the new passing standard, regardless of when they registered or were approved by the board of pharmacy.


5. When will the passing standard for the NAPLEX program be revisited?


We anticipate repeating this process every four or five years, or whenever the blueprint on which the examination is based changes significantly.
 
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