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Lmao, of course he would tell you to take student loans to invest. Smh. This is like telling someone that because you took out student loans, put it all on black and won, they should too.
Stop trying to sound smartTerrible reasoning, and not even close to a valid correlation.
My financial need got me full tuition support and I covered the rest by working part-time and taking loans. Even if I had been born with a silver spoon and all that...you'd still be wrong to advise this.71% of students take out student loans to finish their UG, let me guess you happen to be one of the students that didn't.
The smart thing is to save it and take less in loans the following semesters.Most students take out more in loans then they actually need for their UG. I was (like most students) already going to take out loans for my UG, he just showed me a smarter way to do it. He told me to invest the remainder of the loan (I clearly stated that above), that I was already taking out
You don't understand financesThe fact that you compared Apple stock to, "putting it all on black," is the dumbest comment I have read on finances in a long time. No one is telling anyone to gamble on black, but the suggestion/tip is talk to a CFP about planning their future fiances
I guarantee you don't win the MCAT e-peen contest with meCARS score?
Try googling "should I take out loans to invest them in the stock market"Commonly accepted ignorance. 44 million people graduated college with debt, and I will not be one of them. Also, google how effectively students spend their student loans. You can correlate that with your "brilliant" analogy.
^This^: Gambling loan money on the stock market is the #1 easiest way to "piss it all away", I'd rather waste it on tangible items at least.The smart thing is to save it and take less in loans the following semesters.
He told me to take out student loans, but do not piss away the money (his words, not mine).
He told me to open a brokerage account with him to invest the remainder of my student loans.
He actually told you to borrow money to invest with him?
What did he say about simply using it the next semester and taking less?He suggested (and explained the risk) that I could invest the remainder of the loans that were not used for housing and tuition, instead of using the remainder of the loans for daily operations. From my understanding, investing into something like Apple is as conservative as it gets in the stock market.
I would not consider this good advice.Yes, after he went over my fiances, he suggested that I take out student loans, but not strictly to invest the loans. He suggested (and explained the risk) that I could invest the remainder of the loans that were not used for housing and tuition, instead of using the remainder of the loans for daily operations. From my understanding, investing into something like Apple is as conservative as it gets in the stock market.
I would not consider this good advice.
No one knows which investments are going to pay more than the combined loan and interest over time. I have lost plenty in my retirement account on very conservative investments. At a minimum, you need to include the cost of fees (which you won't have if you don't borrow it in the first place).
Not taking out more in loans than you absolutely need is good advice.
Do not borrow money that you do not need on the hope that your investments will beat the loan principal, interest and fees.What he had me do worked out perfectly though (not saying it does every time, and I understand what you are saying because it is true). But the status quo in taking loans out is not really any different than this though. If the data suggests that most student take out more money than they need and spend it foolishly. How would this alternative be defined as more risk? Also, my results were more of an encouragement to plan your future fiances with a CFP. The CFP I use has worked on Wall Street for over 30 years, and has an amazing track record. I am not saying, go ask Uncle Bob for financial advise.
You were extremely fortunate. Again, the answer for what should people do with their left over $ instead of "pissing it away" is save it for next semester's housing/tuition. This alternative is more risky than that for the reason I described above - some stocks are reliable in the long run rough trend sense, not in the sense that when you graduate X months from now it will definitely have risen more than loan fees and interest.What he had me do worked out perfectly though (not saying it does every time, and I understand what you are saying because it is true). But the status quo in taking loans out is not really any different than this though. If the data suggests that most student take out more money than they need and spend it foolishly. How would this alternative be defined as more risk? Also, my results were more of an encouragement to plan your future fiances with a CFP. The CFP I use has worked on Wall Street for over 30 years, and has an amazing track record. I am not saying, go ask Uncle Bob for financial advise.
If the data suggests that most student take out more money than they need and spend it foolishly. How would this alternative be defined as more risk?
Also, your (n = 1) experience of winning-out is really not representative of the large risk you took with your loan money
Entirely depends on how you define "foolishly". Spending money on non-essentials can increase a person's quality of life and help them take care of themselves from a self-esteem kind of perspective. Throwing all of your money into the stock market and losing it is equivalent to putting it into a shredder. Obviously you should save the money and put it towards next semester, but saying losing money in the stock market is the same as buying "foolish" things is not really true.
Also, your (n = 1) experience of winning-out is really not representative of the large risk you took with your loan money, which could have went much much worse.
Why is the only allowable comparison to the *******es that piss everything away? Why can't the smart careful kid that saved as much as he could and took minimal loans in the last year be an option?How did I take more risk than them?
Im a nigerian banker and if you send me $1000 USD, I guarantee a 100x return. I look forward to your messages friends
You could also have easily had nothing to show for the remainder of your loan and would have been equally foolish....they do not have anything to show for the remainder of their loan (that does not go toward their education). In my mind that's "foolish".
They could have had 80 more bottles of wine in their life than you did, and you wasted that chance. In all seriousness, as efle has said, obviously winning in the stock market would be better than pissing away your loan on pointless items, but when you are comparing yourself to the frugal student who put the remainder of his loan back towards essentials, you're the one who is much more likely to be burned by their strategy.If my broker had lost all my investment, how is it any different from the average person taking out a student loan? Neither of us have anything to show for the remainder of the loan. How did I take more risk than them?
frugal student who put the remainder of his loan back towards essentials, you're the one who is much more likely to be burned by their strategy.
Why is the only allowable comparison to the *******es that piss everything away? Why can't the smart careful kid that saved as much as he could and took minimal loans in the last year be an option?
Let me put it this way:
saving leftovers > gambling with leftovers > wasting leftovers
Let me get this straight - you think people are too stupid to listen to advice to simply save the leftovers, but they'll listen to advice to go consult a CFP? Come on man.In regards to student loans, the data suggests there are more irresponsible borrowers than responsible. Thus, the controversy surrounding student loans(obviously, for a lot of reasons). The end result of that is the 1.3 trillion dollars in student loan debt. I mean you can correlate your statements with the smallest group, but that does not make any sense.
According to those studies, people who invest their money in the stock market are also in the slim percentage. Saying that "well, most people just lose their money anyways" isn't grounds to say "well, just put it in the stock market and at least you have a chance to gain something back", the proper response is "become more responsible with your money".According to a lot of different research articles that I have read, you're trying to compare me and my results to a scarce group.
OP must be from a ( relatively) privileged background ( not every single person who receives FA is from an totally equally disadvantaged background)Why is the only allowable comparison to the *******es that piss everything away? Why can't the smart careful kid that saved as much as he could and took minimal loans in the last year be an option?
Let me put it this way:
saving leftovers > gambling with leftovers > wasting leftovers
Fair enough, I wasn't exactly sure what kind of thread this was, because I don't put it past people for giving terrible advice sincerely.guys, stop feeding the troll. He's gonna develop type 2 diabeetus
According to those studies, people who invest their money in the stock market are also in the slim percentage.
Saying that "well, most people just lose their money anyways" isn't grounds to say "well, just put it in the stock market and at least you have a chance to gain something back", the proper response is "become more responsible with your money".
OP must be from a ( relatively) privileged background ( not every single person who receives FA is from an totally equally disadvantaged background)
If it it worked for OP that's fine, but its far from sound advice.
Well if you had less money to spare, you would be more careful with it, and do what efle was saying, saving it for next semester instead of risking it in the stock market.Now you are just throwing around variables. You were talking about defining risk, and now you are talking about money philosophy. Obviously, the average person needs to become more responsible with their money. Additionally, I never said for anyone to put their money into the stock market
but to consult a CFP.
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I do not see how this is pertains to the subject.
Now you are just throwing around variables. You were talking about defining risk, and now you are talking about money philosophy. Obviously, the average person needs to become more responsible with their money. Additionally, I never said for anyone to put their money into the stock market but to consult a CFP.
He sounds like JALBY TALKING ABOUT TOP SCHOOLS I CANT
LOL I didnt realize that was trade mark Goro ^TMLooks like OP thinks he's @Goro , writing above the posts he quotes instead of below![]()
Looks like OP thinks he's @Goro , writing above the posts he quotes instead of below![]()
I love when people write according to "research articles" or "the data states".
It's the equivalent of me believing Trump when he said Mexico is gonna pay for the wall.
Investing in a kick ass party for a week is probably a better use of that money than investing in Apple. If you're going to be dumb, at least have some fun and get laid.It does not take a rocket scientist to find information. There is a plethora of data/studies, on student loans and the way students spend the money. Investing is a horrible idea, if the other option is Cancun.
LendEDU found that 31% of students, or roughly 2.4 million kids, admitted to using student loan money to fund their binge drinking trips to Cancun and Daytona Beach for spring break.
Factoring in our data, and assuming the claims made in our survey are accurate, this means that 2.38 million students are using money received from student loans to pay for their spring break excursion this year.
He keeps it short and simple. He's honest too. I've asked him a myriad of neurotic questions, and he is always answering them.LOL I didnt realize that was trade mark Goro ^TM
You have to sign around 45 forms saying, "you understand that you can lose every cent of this money".
It does not take a rocket scientist to find information. There is a plethora of data/studies, on student loans and the way students spend the money. Investing is a horrible idea, if the other option is Cancun.
LendEDU found that 31% of students, or roughly 2.4 million kids, admitted to using student loan money to fund their binge drinking trips to Cancun and Daytona Beach for spring break.
Factoring in our data, and assuming the claims made in our survey are accurate, this means that 2.38 million students are using money received from student loans to pay for their spring break excursion this year.
LendEDU found that 31% of students, or roughly 2.4 million kids, admitted to using student loan money to fund their binge drinking trips to Cancun and Daytona Beach for spring break
Ah yes, "using money to fund trips to Cancun" means "using every cent I had left from my loan". A student could spend $20 of their loans on the trip and would fall under that broad definition.
There's at least a tangible benefit, and the cost of a vacation isn't going to put you in a cardboard box later on in life.
Why did you, a sage investor, agree to open an account with this guy just so he would buy you Apple stock?
You are the easiest boat payment your "family friend" has ever made.
So why don't you just go take out as many loans as you can from every bank that will loan you money and just invest all that money?
I'm sorry that sarcasm doesn't travel well across a screen, but of course I wasn't being literal about the $20 comment. You're being ridiculous.But they can afford to travel to Cancun, and only spend $20.00 dollars of the student loan money on their trip...
Not what I said in the slightest.Wasting your student loans on a vacation has a tangible benefit, but investing the remainder of the loan is going to put you in a cardboard box later on in life. 10-4