BEWARE of NSU faculty.

[babloo]

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NSU faculty plays games.
To cofuse you during anatomy lab exams is their motto. Place the tag in such a way that you wonder what the heck are you to identify?
Flip the cadaver and pull the tag out from the back.....where did it come from?
The tag is a string!!!!!
To shoot you down is their game.
Are they there to help you? No.....
They intentionally set hard exams......if some of you miss classes, to teach you a lesson.
65% average in anatomy??? 50% pass rate in biochem????
The whole class suffers because some broke their precious attendence policy.
Your GPA goes down the toilet because some students went bar hopping at night and could not make to class.
The faculty is not there to be supportive......they want revenge. They want to protect their attendence policy.
The averages for class of 2010 stinks.......and their sprit is broken.
An honors undergrad student with a strong GPA...I. NSU has broken my sprit and faith in its faculty.
I wish I had picked PCOM instead.

 

[Jamers]

NSU faculty plays games.
To cofuse you during anatomy lab exams is their motto. Place the tag in such a way that you wonder what the heck are you to identify?
Flip the cadaver and pull the tag out from the back.....where did it come from?
The tag is a string!!!!!
To shoot you down is their game.
Are they there to help you? No.....
They intentionally set hard exams......if some of you miss classes, to teach you a lesson.
65% average in anatomy??? 50% pass rate in biochem????
The whole class suffers because some broke their precious attendence policy.
Your GPA goes down the toilet because some students went bar hopping at night and could not make to class.
The faculty is not there to be supportive......they want revenge. They want to protect their attendence policy.
The averages for class of 2010 stinks.......and their sprit is broken.
An honors undergrad student with a strong GPA...I. NSU has broken my sprit and faith in its faculty.
I wish I had picked PCOM instead.

Anatomy lectures are all like that chief, get used to it. Medical school is not suppose to be easy. Instead of bitching about how bad you are doing, find out why you are doing so bad (obviously your study style sucks somewhere) and fix it. Blamming the facutly is a lame excuse.

 

[Kuba]

everyone needs to vent sometime. I'm writing a 10 page paper on teh Senate races in New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota. I need to vent about that too. damn North Dakotians! Put some information about your state on the internet!

 

[It'sElectric]

NSU faculty plays games.
To cofuse you during anatomy lab exams is their motto. Place the tag in such a way that you wonder what the heck are you to identify?
Flip the cadaver and pull the tag out from the back.....where did it come from?
The tag is a string!!!!!
To shoot you down is their game.
Are they there to help you? No.....
They intentionally set hard exams......if some of you miss classes, to teach you a lesson.
65% average in anatomy??? 50% pass rate in biochem????
The whole class suffers because some broke their precious attendence policy.
Your GPA goes down the toilet because some students went bar hopping at night and could not make to class.
The faculty is not there to be supportive......they want revenge. They want to protect their attendence policy.
The averages for class of 2010 stinks.......and their sprit is broken.
An honors undergrad student with a strong GPA...I. NSU has broken my sprit and faith in its faculty.
I wish I had picked PCOM instead.

That had to be the ramblings of someone who is drunk.

 

[toothless rufus]

Ohio is cold.

 

[MikeyLu2010]

actually the OP is right...they dont like us..biochem and anatomy especially...mainly because half the class skips on a regular basis..it was evident they were trying to screw us over in anatomy...11 questions out of 50 are being appealed by our whole class on the multiple choice portion alone..and thats not mentioning the BS practical....im pretty sure there are less then 10 ppl out of 240 with A's in there.. The avgs for the first 2 anatomy test/practicals hovered around Low B/high C...but on the 3rd test the avg was a failing grade...soo its obvious that they were trying to make a point.

 

[DragonWell]

Are there really 240 peeps in your class? That seems huge for med school!

 

[24IdaFire]

LECOM-Erie has 230 in the class of 2010.

 

[HemaOncoDoc]

actually the OP is right...they dont like us..biochem and anatomy especially...mainly because half the class skips on a regular basis..it was evident they were trying to screw us over in anatomy...11 questions out of 50 are being appealed by our whole class on the multiple choice portion alone..and thats not mentioning the BS practical....im pretty sure there are less then 10 ppl out of 240 with A's in there.. The avgs for the first 2 anatomy test/practicals hovered around Low B/high C...but on the 3rd test the avg was a failing grade...soo its obvious that they were trying to make a point.

Hmm, I thought the enforcement for the attendance policy was factored into the percentage of the class that you attended. It does not seem like it's fair for the rest of the class. However, this may be silly to ask, but is there a curve at the end? 10 individuals out of a class of 240 does not usually indicate a sound teaching method.

 

[Orthodoc40]

everyone needs to vent sometime. I'm writing a 10 page paper on teh Senate races in New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota. I need to vent about that too. damn North Dakotians! Put some information about your state on the internet!

Are you sure the internet has reached them yet??😉

 

[kaikai128]

I understand that you are a first year, and you have probably never been in classes this intense before. However, just because you feel as if the classes are difficult doesn't mean that the "faculty is out to get you."

I hate to break it to you--but we were convinced that everyone was "out to get us last year too." Every year everyone thinks that the tests are harder than they were before. There is a huge adjustment from undergrad to medical school. You are surrounded by 240 other people who got straight As their entire lives--and it isn't going to happen anymore. Medical is NOT supposed to be easy--you are going to have people's lives in your hands in less than two years. You NEED to be afraid of the tests, you NEED to know anatomy well.

Maybe they are out to get you, but I highly doubt it. Our class went through the EXACT same thing last year.

Everyone thought in my class that the averages were SOOO low last year, but over 80% of our class has a cumulative GPA of 80% or better. There are about 25% (I really don't know exactly) of the class with a GPA of 90%. If the averages are as low as you are saying, the classes will be curved in the end (We got a few points in Anatomy, and a bit in Physio last year)

By the way, if you have a problem with faculty--there are proper channels to go though. Please PM me if you would like information on who you need to talk to or if you would like someone to approach administration with. Also, if you would like some advice on how to succeed in Anatomy (from someone who was successful in the past), let me know. I would be more than happy to help you in any way that I can.

Oh, and Next week is blood week....this is near and dear to the biochem department's heart. If you really think they are out to get you--get your class to give blood, it may help.

 

[CatsandCradles]

NSU faculty plays games.
To cofuse you during anatomy lab exams is their motto. Place the tag in such a way that you wonder what the heck are you to identify?
Flip the cadaver and pull the tag out from the back.....where did it come from?
The tag is a string!!!!!
To shoot you down is their game.
Are they there to help you? No.....
They intentionally set hard exams......if some of you miss classes, to teach you a lesson.
65% average in anatomy??? 50% pass rate in biochem????
The whole class suffers because some broke their precious attendence policy.
Your GPA goes down the toilet because some students went bar hopping at night and could not make to class.
The faculty is not there to be supportive......they want revenge. They want to protect their attendence policy.
The averages for class of 2010 stinks.......and their sprit is broken.
An honors undergrad student with a strong GPA...I. NSU has broken my sprit and faith in its faculty.
I wish I had picked PCOM instead.

Every school has something to scare student with. At WVSOM, it's histology.

 

[MrMDO]

everyone needs to vent sometime. I'm writing a 10 page paper on teh Senate races in New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota. I need to vent about that too. damn North Dakotians! Put some information about your state on the internet!

I take offense to this as I am North Dakotan. Haha

 

[kaikai128]

Every school has something to scare student with. At WVSOM, it's histology.

That is the funny thing, here at NSU...there are SO many tests in Anatomy--that we always joke that it is almost impossible to fail anatomy. If someone wants to be scared about a class, they should worry about Physio.

I just can't imagine what kind of complaining I am going to read on here after they take their first Cardiac Physio (a VERY difficult test) on Monday.

It is really frustrating for me, as a student here at NSU to read this kind of slander about our school on the internet. Every school is going to have a few issues, no school or person is perfect. I feel as if I am getting a great education, and I have said it many times before and will say it again that I would never change my mind and go to a different school if I had to go back and start over.

I spent the summer with medical students (MD and DO) from around the country, and I felt as if I knew as much or more than the people from all of the other schools. I definately felt (and so did the other 2 ppl from my school that were there) that we were significantly more advanced than many of our counterparts.

To all of those who are reading this: please understand that the OP is stressed out right now, and that we go to a great school.

 

[CatsandCradles]

That is the funny thing, here at NSU...there are SO many tests in Anatomy--that we always joke that it is almost impossible to fail anatomy. If someone wants to be scared about a class, they should worry about Physio.

I just can't imagine what kind of complaining I am going to read on here after they take their first Cardiac Physio (a VERY difficult test) on Monday.

It is really frustrating for me, as a student here at NSU to read this kind of slander about our school on the internet. Every school is going to have a few issues, no school or person is perfect. I feel as if I am getting a great education, and I have said it many times before and will say it again that I would never change my mind and go to a different school if I had to go back and start over.

I spent the summer with medical students (MD and DO) from around the country, and I felt as if I knew as much or more than the people from all of the other schools. I definately felt (and so did the other 2 ppl from my school that were there) that we were significantly more advanced than many of our counterparts.

To all of those who are reading this: please understand that the OP is stressed out right now, and that we go to a great school.

Agreed.

To those applying to NSU, let me all tell you I think it's a very fine place. Good rotations and a fair share of residency affilated positions too. I recall seeing them having dermatology positions just for NSU students - just comes to show that while it might seem tough and unfair you pre meds going to NSU also have a lot of things to benefit from going there.

On a related note, people freak out over anatomy here at WVSOM as well. For example, the anatomy teachers took out a human lung and placed it on the table. Then they took out a heart - the right atrium was split open and then placed on the lung.

They positioned this opened right atrium so that you could not see the pectinate muscles that are usually a dead give away that you are seeing the right atrium.

So here I am, standing in front of this table wondering why this lung has so many funny bronchiole lubles. I was like, "Ok this is a right lung, and I know the right side has 3 of em bronchioles comming off the primary bronchioles"

And I am like, why the hell does this lung have all these. Then I was like, wait the PhDs are trying to pull my tail again. The answer was a inferior vena cava.

So I got that problem correct - but I still failed the practicle.

 

[MikeyLu2010]

sorry Kai, but when they start tagging stuff in the practical thats not even in our list to dissect...it seems suspect...and when the whole class averages a failing grade...theres something wrong..and when our class as a whole comes up with 11 questions out of 50 (22 pts worth) to appeal on the written test theres definately something wrong..

 

[Ossari]

Oh well, it's good to hear what I can prepare myself for next year. I interviewed last Monday and will hear from Dhelia next week. I hope to be with you guys at NSU next year. I love the school...so far 🙂

 

[kaikai128]

Please read next post of mine.

 

[Oculus Sinistra]

everyone needs to vent sometime. I'm writing a 10 page paper on teh Senate races in New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota. I need to vent about that too. damn North Dakotians! Put some information about your state on the internet!

Did you ever hear about the proposal for "North Dakota" to be changed to just "Dakota" because the people there thought tourists affiliated "north" with "cold" annnnnd they thought that affiliation was hurting their tourism industry?

 

[kaikai128]

sorry Kai, but when they start tagging stuff in the practical thats not even in our list to dissect...it seems suspect...and when the whole class averages a failing grade...theres something wrong..and when our class as a whole comes up with 11 questions out of 50 (22 pts worth) to appeal on the written test theres definately something wrong..

I just think that it is funny that someone posted, "BEWARE of NSU" because of ONE bad test. You guys are less than two months into your education here, you are just now getting into the rough of it. I know you had a bad test, but you guys are stressed out.

My issues is that above all:
1. You are STILL getting a great education (even if you did have one bad test).
2. The school looked at the appeals, and your class average on that test (I don't know if it was written or practical) was an 87ish (good authority--PM me if you want to know who told me).
3. A public forum isn't the place to post when you are mad. The posts that were written by a particular person were written in anger, and were not entirely professional. There are more professional ways to handle issues at this point in our lives.
4. Our school still scores above and beyond the national average on boards...we must be doing something right.
5. Our class appeals a lot of questions sometimes too, who cares? Our GI midterm was difficult, and a few questions I felt came out of nowhere and I didn't do great--but I didn't feel the need to defame the school over it.
6. Anatomy lab is very picky and precise. Look at the post about 3 posts before this, our school isn't the only one that tries to tag things in a sly manner.
7. Faculty isn't stupid, they read on here regularly (trust me it came up in a meeting)...if someone thinks that the faculty is "out to get your class" does anyone think that this kind of thing is going to help??

To all of the M1s...Good luck with the rest of your bad 6 weeks/black October. I am sure this is the first time you have ever dealt with anything this intense, and it is difficult on everyone.

 

[1_Accept_Away]

Kaikai, I responded to your post on another thread, but that thread was about the Nova secondary so I thought it would be better here...Plus, I saw you responded so I thought you might still be around.

So the faculty to teach the "bad apples" a lesson place the tags (strings!!!) during lab exam on the cadavers in such a way that it is very hard to identify which body part they want us to identify. They also flip the cadaver over and pull the string out. For heaven's sake where was the string attached???? It is not visible.

I just spoke to a very knowledgable administrator of the school, and after appeals went through, the test average was an 87 (the class of 2010 doesn't even know this yet--so when babloo will disagree, but the info I have is accurate). The specific Anatomy test that they just took is historically known as the most difficult anatomy test. The professors are challenging, but we are going to be physicians in a few short years. It is VERY important for us to know and understand the anatomy of the human body, we are going to be DOCTORS. I would hope that any physican (or resident, or student doctor) who is operating on me (or assisting) will understand the anatomy regardless of what the position my body is laying in.

Kai, It's obvious that you are really happy at NSU and with your education, but I have a couple of problems with your defense of the school/faculty.

1. You do not address whether Babloo's statements regarding the trickery and hidden tagging on this particular anatomy exam is true. As you mentioned, of course, I would hope that any physician who is operating on me will understand anatomy. But I do not think that understanding anatomy entails trickery and hide-and-go seek with the tags. If what Babloo is saying is true, I personally think that kind of trickery and games on the anatomy exam actually detracts from a student's ability to learn and absorb the information because they must be paranoid and on-guard with their teachers methods. But if you happen to know from inside information that what Babloo is saying is not true, please say so because that would change things.

2. Instead of addressing the veracity of Babloo's accusations, you defend the NSU faculty by pointing out the elevated class average AFTER appeals. As a person who interviewed and is really considering NSU, I would like some reassurance beyond the fact that the tests are in fact poorly written (tagged) and but then after you fight the fight, you will get your grade readjusted. I would assume that the faculty members having been doing this long enough that they should know a little better how to write/tag for anatomy exam. I mean, for the class average to go from a 65% to 87% because the students basically rioted and went through formal appeal process is certainly not reassuring. As you mentioned, first year is hard enough without being forced to fight for fair grading and testing.

I really liked the school, but Babloo's posts did make think twice. I appreciate that you are trying to get an another view - a positive one -of your education at NSU. I also appreciate the fact that people who happy with their school do not come back to SDN to write about it...it is often when people have complaints that they will take the time to vent, so I really do appreciate your opinion.

 

[kaikai128]

I did reply on the secondary thread. If I didn't fully answer something to your satisfaction, please let me know.

 

[It'sElectric]

Kaikai, I responded to your post on another thread, but that thread was about the Nova secondary so I thought it would be better here...Plus, I saw you responded so I thought you might still be around.





Kai, It's obvious that you are really happy at NSU and with your education, but I have a couple of problems with your defense of the school/faculty.

1. You do not address whether Babloo's statements regarding the trickery and hidden tagging on this particular anatomy exam is true. As you mentioned, of course, I would hope that any physician who is operating on me will understand anatomy. But I do not think that understanding anatomy entails trickery and hide-and-go seek with the tags. If what Babloo is saying is true, I personally think that kind of trickery and games on the anatomy exam actually detracts from a student's ability to learn and absorb the information because they must be paranoid and on-guard with their teachers methods. But if you happen to know from inside information that what Babloo is saying is not true, please say so because that would change things.

2. Instead of addressing the veracity of Babloo's accusations, you defend the NSU faculty by pointing out the elevated class average AFTER appeals. As a person who interviewed and is really considering NSU, I would like some reassurance beyond the fact that the tests are in fact poorly written (tagged) and but then after you fight the fight, you will get your grade readjusted. I would assume that the faculty members having been doing this long enough that they should know a little better how to write/tag for anatomy exam. I mean, for the class average to go from a 65% to 87% because the students basically rioted and went through formal appeal process is certainly not reassuring. As you mentioned, first year is hard enough without being forced to fight for fair grading and testing.

I really liked the school, but Babloo's posts did make think twice. I appreciate that you are trying to get an another view - a positive one -of your education at NSU. I also appreciate the fact that people who happy with their school do not come back to SDN to write about it...it is often when people have complaints that they will take the time to vent, so I really do appreciate your opinion.

I think everyone might be taking this post a little too seriously. I mean, honestly, is it just me, or was the OP hammered when they wrote it???

NSU faculty are not "out to get anyone". Do you really think that's why they decided to become an educator?? I don't know the real circumstances since I am not a student there (I'm certain Kai knows the more complete story), but if anything at all, it sounds like the faculty was trying to teach a large part of the class a lesson. I'm willing to bet this is a one time thing and the faculty doesn't have weekly meetings in which they sit around scheming ways to one up their students.

 

[scpod]

They intentionally set hard exams......if some of you miss classes, to teach you a lesson.
65% average in anatomy??? 50% pass rate in biochem????
The whole class suffers because some broke their precious attendence policy.

Let me see if I understand this...People don't go to class, then make bad grades. Seems to me like the solution might just be to start going to class.😉

 

[Ossari]

Let me see if I understand this...People don't go to class, then make bad grades. Seems to me like the solution might just be to start going to class.😉

oh snap! lol

 

[kaikai128]

Let me see if I understand this...People don't go to class, then make bad grades. Seems to me like the solution might just be to start going to class.😉

Hahaha!!!! I love it when ppl say the things I have already been thinking. 🙂

 

[1_Accept_Away]

I think everyone might be taking this post a little too seriously. I mean, honestly, is it just me, or was the OP hammered when they wrote it???

NSU faculty are not "out to get anyone". Do you really think that's why they decided to become an educator?? I don't know the real circumstances since I am not a student there (I'm certain Kai knows the more complete story), but if anything at all, it sounds like the faculty was trying to teach a large part of the class a lesson. I'm willing to bet this is a one time thing and the faculty doesn't have weekly meetings in which they sit around scheming ways to one up their students.

NSU is one of my top choices. So I do take it seriously when I hear an actual student there discuss a negative experience. I don't have a breathalyzer on my computer to guage whether Babloo was drunk at the time of posting, so I can't speak to that. Personally, I think where you go to medical school is a serious dicussion and rather than "trust" that professors are "good people" I do think you should listen to those who are currently attending that school. It is clear that Kaikai's experience thus far has been much more positive than Babloo's and that's why I am interested in kaikai's opinion as well. Also, MikeyLu who previously has said positive things about NSU did seem to agree with Babloo that there was something seriously wrong with the anatomy and biochemistry teaching at NSU (or at least on this particular exam).

Kaikai was quick to defend NSU citing board scores and his/her summer experience. And while it may seem outrageous to you that the faculty is out to get student, in all her defense of NSU, Kaikia did not say that Babloo was lying about his/her unfair anatomy exam.

 

[MikeyLu2010]

its not just one test kai...its 2 consecutive ...and the biochem faculty openly admitted to our class that they made it harder due to the lack of attendance...and regarding the anatomy practical...its not HOW they tagged..its WHAT they tagged...a couple of items werent even in that list of things we were supposed to know..I'm doing decent..and the OP is exagerrating in that the biochem was 50% pass rate..the avg on the latest test was in the 70's..but the avg on the first test was like a 89..so i dont think many ppl are in danger of failing biochem...anatomy on the other hand is a different story...i have a couple of friends that now have a failing overall grade in anatomy.. and most of my friends..their avg dropped 5 whole points from the latest test..thats half a letter grade on one test..and now we have to deal with the hardest section head/neck.

 

[It'sElectric]

Personally, I think where you go to medical school is a serious dicussion and rather than "trust" that professors are "good people" I do think you should listen to those who are currently attending that school.

Just to clarify things, I never said to "trust that the professors are good people". I honestly could not care less whether my professor or any other professor is a "good person".

I believe that we just think differently. If there truly are professors working full time for any medical school that are personally trying to deceive and work against the students they're teaching, then that is a very sad institution. I personally don't believe that this would occur on a regular basis. If it did, then someone in administration isn't doing their job.

As I said before, if anything, the professors were trying to make a point about the importance of attending class. That's not a difficult concept to grasp in my opinion.

I understand and respect your concerns, but keep in mind this was likely the incoherent babblings of a frustrated student. Re-read the post, it's written pretty awkwardly.

 

[kaikai128]

You guys for the first time this month are experiencing the "one test every" week sort of thing that is normal for medical school. EVERY year, during October test scores plummet. EVERY year during Oct/Nov test scores go down because everyone gets behind, they can't keep up, and the real pressure of medical school starts getting to ppl. Trust me, I know...I cut it close on my fair share of tests last year.

Dr.MikeyLu...I know that you are completely unaware of the fact that this goes on every year, but it does. That is why as M2s, the advice that we give you is to do REALLY well on your first round of tests--bc you are going to get behind and the scores are going to drop. This is NORMAL. This is EXPECTED. YOu are under stress, so it makes things seem worse than they are. Did the practice test from last year seem any harder than years before? Probably not. However, our avg was very low on the Pelvic Anatomy test, and I think it was the 2nd Biochem too.

Okay, maybe the faculty is upset that nobody has been attending class, and is therefore pulling more of their questions from things that they said in lecture--rather than what is in your notes. You are still required to know the info, even if you dont' go to class. I know it is difficult for people to accept that sometimes they are going to get a C on a test, no matter how much they study.

I just don't understand--when there are issues at EVERY school, why is it a few stressed out people from NSU have to be the ONLY ppl who publicly complaining. If you have an issue, it is much appropriate to address it with you class officers, with faculty, and with administration. We are supposed to be professionals and adults. I am almost ashamed that ppl like this go to my school.

 

[scpod]

EVERY year during Oct/Nov test scores go down because everyone gets behind, they can't keep up, and the real pressure of medical school starts getting to ppl.

I believe you. On my first Anatomy test I was upset that I didn't get every answer correct. By the time I took the Anatomy final exam, I was happy just to pass. It's a really difficult adjustment going from making all A's to being somewhere in the middle of the pack. The only semester in undergrad where I didn't make a 4.0 was the one where my fiancee died (still had a 3.7). The semester that I spent 14 days in the hospital never even came close to hurting my GPA. But...a semester of med school Anatomy taught me a little realism and humility. No amount of studying that I do these days seems to be enough; I'm always behind. Strangely enough, though, every other classmate that I've talked to feels the same way.

For the OP, the tests probably are getting harder and they will continue to get harder every single day. Is that unfair? No. That's Life!

I just don't understand--when there are issues at EVERY school, why is it a few stressed out people from NSU have to be the ONLY ppl who publicly complaining. If you have an issue, it is much appropriate to address it with you class officers, with faculty, and with administration. We are supposed to be professionals and adults. I am almost ashamed that ppl like this go to my school.

NSU is far from the only one where people are complaining, but it's the one that's being hit on the most this week. People complain vocally on an anonymous board a lot more often than they do in real life. They use the anonymity as a wall behind which they can hide to say things that they normally wouldn't say. People often have totally different personalities when they are hiding behind a keyboard. I don't agree with the way that the OP did things, but perhaps he is just really frustrated by gettng low grades for the first time in his life. If I wasn't as old as I am (having so many curves already thrown at me in life), I might have reacted the same way. It might be worth it to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Just keep giving your advice the way you have and hope that it will accepted in time.

 

[Kuba]

As an applicant this year, this has minimal impact on my decision. The OP's post is barely coherent. DrMikeyLu agreeing is a little worrisome, but he is going through the same stress right now. Kai, having been through it already, seems like a reliable source. Itd be nice if another 2nd year could chime in to completely make this a nonissue

 

[pguin]

So the anatomy professors want you to be able to identify anatomical structures when they're not exactly as you saw before in labs and pictures. Thats awful! do they think you're training to be a doctor or something.

Also I would bet about 6 trillion dollars that nowhere near 50 percent of the class will fail biochem and thus have to retake it. If these are truly the scores people are getting than they are obviously going to end up curving the grade. I haven't seen many med schools which have a graduation rate of 50% (or less than 90% for that matter)

That being said, you get an A+ for the way you wrote your post, its a nice stream of conciousness type of writing - kinda like a drunk angry poet (like theres any other kind of poets)

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Did you ever hear about the proposal for "North Dakota" to be changed to just "Dakota" because the people there thought tourists affiliated "north" with "cold" annnnnd they thought that affiliation was hurting their tourism industry?

That didn't actually happen. That was a plot used on the television show The West Wing, but it wasn't based on real life.

 

[little_late_MD]

That didn't actually happen. That was a plot used on the television show The West Wing, but it wasn't based on real life.

Wait, the West Wing isn't real?

 

[snrub]

As an applicant this year, this has minimal impact on my decision. The OP's post is barely coherent. DrMikeyLu agreeing is a little worrisome, but he is going through the same stress right now. Kai, havent been through it already, seems like a reliable source. Itd be nice if another 2nd year could chime in to completely make this a nonissue

I agree with Kuba. If another M1 or M2 could add their perspective as well for clarity's sake, we'd appreciate it.

 

[1_Accept_Away]

Just to clarify things, I never said to "trust that the professors are good people". I honestly could not care less whether my professor or any other professor is a "good person".

I believe that we just think differently. If there truly are professors working full time for any medical school that are personally trying to deceive and work against the students they're teaching, then that is a very sad institution. I personally don't believe that this would occur on a regular basis. If it did, then someone in administration isn't doing their job.

As I said before, if anything, the professors were trying to make a point about the importance of attending class. That's not a difficult concept to grasp in my opinion.

I understand and respect your concerns, but keep in mind this was likely the incoherent babblings of a frustrated student. Re-read the post, it's written pretty awkwardly.

I've reread the OP and yes it is strangely written and it appears that the post was a failed attempt at a poem. The fact that babloo posted this and hasn't really responded and/or elaborated doesn't lend a lot to his/her creditbility either.

That's fine if the professors want to make a point of the importance of attending class, but then woudn't it make more sense to test on material the professor actually covered in class. This would send the message that those who skip class will miss out on vital information. MikeyLu (who has been much more restrained with his/her criticism) states that the problem is that they were tested on material that was neither covered in class nor on the list of material the class would be responsible to learn. It seems like they punished the whole class (even those who religious attend and keep up with the material) to make them fearful that they should all be in class or else future exams will be equally impossible.

I know that you weren't saying that all professors are good people, but the fact that professors having been doing this for a long time doesn't mean they don't do f-ed up things. I think, sometimes after too many years teaching, they lose sight of the fact that while this might be their 203rd time teaching anatomy, for each M1, their grade in anatomy is the one of the single most important things in their lives up to that point. It's just that I'm a bit more skeptical and I think that there are such things as good and bad professors. Of course, professors aren't perfect and sometimes a question might seem entirely on point to them when they write it, but a student might find that question utterly baffling. So some appeals and readjusted grades show a professor is open to looking at things from the student's perspective, but for the class average to go from 65% to 87% (22 points) is a little ridiculous. That is A LOT of poorly written questions and given the amount of years they have been doing this, I don't think it was a mistake.

I think it's really great that Kaikai is so quick to defend her school. But I don't that these posters who are discussing their negative experience with anatomy class is defaming the school. If what they are positing is true, they are not defaming the school. And while the school's COMLEX pass rate is good to note, I just don't see how that addresses the issue of these two posters feeling. I certainly don't think that the posters did something wrong by posting on SDN.

 

[babloo]

Hi everyone,

You are right my intension was not to deframe NSU but vent my frustration. Is that not one of the reasons this forum exists? How long would I last in any school if I spoke my mind to any faculty as I did in the forum? Was I drunk? Maybe or maybe not. Don't remember. But maybe I did need to drink to write out my anger and frustration. Maybe otherwise I may have not written to express myself.
Another thing, I try to stay away from faculty unless I need help in a subject. Have not looked for help as yet at NSU. Maybe I should do so. But honestly, I work my tail off and I do not miss classes because I do beleive that lectures count a lot. NSU lectures are good.
And thank God for the names we choose to write in this forum. Nobody can nail us even if they tried. Some busybodies do try. Sad, probably get the wrong person.
Some students have good experiences, some bad. I have written about my only bad (this) experience in my entire college education. So, forgive me Kaikai, if my experience does not match your experience. You could be right and I could be right. We both could be right. Every one has varied experiences. We each have our own opnions based on our experiences. Is this not what this country is about? Free expression. My grandpa WWII vetran says so!
I had my say, goodbye everyone.

 

[DrQuinn]

As an NSUCOM Alum, things never change...

I graduated in 2003....

When I was an M1... in 1999-2000, we always complained. Oh, the tests are too hard! Oh the attendance policy is too strict! Oh, they're testing from the lectures and not the notes. Damn them! Oh, they didn't teach us THAT specific nerve in anaomty lab, did they!?!?!?!? They must be out to get us!

Just as another poster just mentioned, and I often tell medical students who rotate with me, up until medical school, you all (plural) were used to getting good grades. Being top of your class, having a 3.5+ GPA. Now your'e in med school with the other creams of the crops and you're getting 60s, 70s, maybe 80s on tests. The faculty MUST be out to get us!

Nope. Dude. That's teh way med school works. Just jump through the hoops, go to class, take some notes, take the test, and do as good as you can.

Maybe you ALL have forgotten what you said when you were preparing for the MCAT/applying to med school:

"I will do ANYTHING to just get into med school. If they just LET ME IN and accept me, I will SHOW they I will work SO hard. I will study all the time, I will work my tail off."

Now that you're in med school, you've probably forgotten that promise that all of us secretly said to each other.

I'm an attending now, faculty at Georgetown University. None of the stuff you complain about TRULY matters anymore. But I remember how frustrating things were at the time. Wake up, its med school! No one is "OUT TO GET YOU." If YOU weren't at the school, teh school wouldn't have tuition, and no one at the school would have a job.

Yeha, life sucks in med school. I remember that.

But just remember what you promised yourself and your inner soul how hard yo would work and how you would keep your eye on the ball once you got into med school.

Go across the street, have a beer and chicken tenders at the Falcon Pub, it'll make you feel better.
Q

 

[EAS2784]

WOW. Well put, I think I might have to print that out and save it until I have these awful Anatomy exams!

 

[kaikai128]

As an NSUCOM Alum, things never change...

I graduated in 2003....

When I was an M1... in 1999-2000, we always complained. Oh, the tests are too hard! Oh the attendance policy is too strict! Oh, they're testing from the lectures and not the notes. Damn them! Oh, they didn't teach us THAT specific nerve in anaomty lab, did they!?!?!?!? They must be out to get us!

Just as another poster just mentioned, and I often tell medical students who rotate with me, up until medical school, you all (plural) were used to getting good grades. Being top of your class, having a 3.5+ GPA. Now your'e in med school with the other creams of the crops and you're getting 60s, 70s, maybe 80s on tests. The faculty MUST be out to get us!

Nope. Dude. That's teh way med school works. Just jump through the hoops, go to class, take some notes, take the test, and do as good as you can.

Maybe you ALL have forgotten what you said when you were preparing for the MCAT/applying to med school:

"I will do ANYTHING to just get into med school. If they just LET ME IN and accept me, I will SHOW they I will work SO hard. I will study all the time, I will work my tail off."

Now that you're in med school, you've probably forgotten that promise that all of us secretly said to each other.

I'm an attending now, faculty at Georgetown University. None of the stuff you complain about TRULY matters anymore. But I remember how frustrating things were at the time. Wake up, its med school! No one is "OUT TO GET YOU." If YOU weren't at the school, teh school wouldn't have tuition, and no one at the school would have a job.

Yeha, life sucks in med school. I remember that.

But just remember what you promised yourself and your inner soul how hard yo would work and how you would keep your eye on the ball once you got into med school.

Go across the street, have a beer and chicken tenders at the Falcon Pub, it'll make you feel better.
Q

Thank you for the perspective. I have been trying to get people to step back and look at the big picture, but it is difficult. I hope that from your position, you earn more respect than I do as a 2nd year.

I greatly appreciate the honest perspective.

 

[DrQuinn]

Thank you for the perspective. I have been trying to get people to step back and look at the big picture, but it is difficult. I hope that from your position, you earn more respect than I do as a 2nd year.

I greatly appreciate the honest perspective.

Funny thing is, when I was a wee M1 back in 1999, I CAME to SDN (it wasn't called SDN back then), because I heard a rumor someone was badmouthing NSUCOM. The title of the thread was "NOVA means Don't Go." An M2 was overreacting about things, and I tried to set things straight. I've been on SDN since then.

Its ok to complain a little bit, but you all have to remember that pre meds are very impressionable, and to "bite the hand that feeds you" will eventually come back to bite your ass. At one point i think I was kinda pissed at NSUCOM for some reason (I think it had to do with clinical rotations), and I remember talking to my girlfriend at the time (the hottest PT student at NSUCOM, damn I miss that campus), about how I was going to slander the school. She had graduated already and was working. She said to me "Quinn, do you really think that stuff matters in the real world? And why would you want to ruin the reputation of the school that is giving you a medical diploma?" I sat back, then realized that, yeah, dude, medidcal school sucks in general. Its tough, stressful, and the delayed gratification is torture (let me tell you how great it is to get an attending paycheck!), but try to keep things in perspective!

Q

 

[DrMatt]

We are 7 Armed Forces personal from NSU MI thru MIII. We are anonymous and will remain anonymus. OP has shared 2 personal emails recently posted to his account. We have joined this forum to post this message to NSU students who visit the forum.

Two emails were recently sent to OP by a person from NSU. The emails were nasty and included a warning to OP. The writer said that she has made it a point to look into the past postings (before start of school) of OP and can easily identify the OP. What happed to the rights of anonymous writer? She also indicated that OP should be careful to what he/she posts in future because the faculty reads the forum and OP can be identified.

The writer has made assumptions that OP is with Armed Forces. OP does not belong to Armed Forces. He/she may have been selected but the selection can be rejected by the receiver before the scholarship is posted into the college account. We have no idea what happened with OP. It is not our concern.

THIS IS OUR CONCERN: An Armed Force personal is trained to respect and do as required by his/her commanding officer without questioning. An Armed Forces personal will never do anything disrespectful towards the teachers because the teacher is in the same status to us as a commanding officer while at school. Respect and honor is one of the things we learn and promise. We respect our teachers. By saying that OP is one of us she is slandering all the Armed Forces personal. This is not acceptable to us.

If the writer continues to target any of NSU Armed Forces personal in anyway we will take her emails to Dr W..... Do not make assumptions without knowing the actual facts.

We will not reply to any emails or join in this on going debate. Thank you for reading this post.

 

[MossPoh]

You could stand to add a few compound, complex, and compound-complex sentences in your writing...

 

[It'sElectric]

We are 7 Armed Forces personal from NSU MI thru MIII. We are anonymous and will remain anonymus. OP has shared 2 personal emails recently posted to his account. We have joined this forum to post this message to NSU students who visit the forum.

Two emails were recently sent to OP by a person from NSU. The emails were nasty and included a warning to OP. The writer said that she has made it a point to look into the past postings (before start of school) of OP and can easily identify the OP. What happed to the rights of anonymous writer? She also indicated that OP should be careful to what he/she posts in future because the faculty reads the forum and OP can be identified.

The writer has made assumptions that OP is with Armed Forces. OP does not belong to Armed Forces. He/she may have been selected but the selection can be rejected by the receiver before the scholarship is posted into the college account. We have no idea what happened with OP. It is not our concern.

THIS IS OUR CONCERN: An Armed Force personal is trained to respect and do as required by his/her commanding officer without questioning. An Armed Forces personal will never do anything disrespectful towards the teachers because the teacher is in the same status to us as a commanding officer while at school. Respect and honor is one of the things we learn and promise. We respect our teachers. By saying that OP is one of us she is slandering all the Armed Forces personal. This is not acceptable to us.

If the writer continues to target any of NSU Armed Forces personal in anyway we will take her emails to Dr W..... Do not make assumptions without knowing the actual facts.

We will not reply to any emails or join in this on going debate. Thank you for reading this post.

Hahahahaha.....so let me get this right. The point to that whole long, drawn out post was that you don't want whoever is threatening the OP to confuse him with someone in the armed forces?? You're taking offense to a private email that no one else (except for the OP, the writer, and you) even knows about??

I'm actually a little embarrassed for you now.

 

[scpod]

We are 7 Armed Forces personal from NSU MI thru MIII. We are anonymous and will remain anonymus...By saying that OP is one of us she is slandering all the Armed Forces personal. This is not acceptable to us...

This thread really has reached ridiculous new highs now. I'm not sure whether to laugh, cry, or pee in my pants.

🙁 😕

 

[Kuba]

Hahahahaha.....so let me get this right. The point to that whole long, drawn out post was that you don't want whoever is threatening the OP to confuse him with someone in the armed forces?? You're taking offense to a private email that no one else (except for the OP, the writer, and you) even knows about??

I'm actually a little embarrassed for you now.

yea.......ummm............was that posted in the right thread?😕

 

[kaikai128]

THIS IS OUR CONCERN: An Armed Force personal is trained to respect and do as required by his/her commanding officer without questioning. An Armed Forces personal will never do anything disrespectful towards the teachers because the teacher is in the same status to us as a commanding officer while at school. Respect and honor is one of the things we learn and promise. We respect our teachers.

I COMPLETELY AGREE with this. This is the point that I was trying to get accrossed to the OP. The comment was also made to him in a PRIVATE email. I have done my best to respect the individuals on here. I am sorry if I have publicly disrespected anyone in ANY manner.

By saying that OP is one of us she is slandering all the Armed Forces personal. This is not acceptable to us.

I WOULD NEVER EVER slander the Armed Forces. I am 100% sorry that what I said was taken out of context and seen as slander. I am completely mortified that a comment that I made in a private message would ever be seen as slander.

I am on here to try to promote my school.
I am on here to try to help people realize that they are going to get a great medical education if they go to my school.
I sent PRIVATE emails to the OP (yes I was upset by what he was saying), and that is why they were PRIVATE emails concerned that he would be singled out (bc I thought that his previous posts may make him easily identifiable).
I was upset, but in the end I was looking out for the OPs best interest. Did the OP also share with you the email of about 10 things that he could do to try to recitfy his problems with the school? Probably not.
I have NEVER defamed our military services.
I DID write in the email that I couldn't believe that someone from MY armed services would be the sort of person who would write negative things, because I was AGREEING with you.


If ANYONE has a problem with me or anything that I said, I think it would be more approrpiate to send me a Private Message and address me personally. I don't think that an issue with me is something that needs to be discussed publicly. I just don't understand why I am being publicly singled out for something that was taken out of context that was sent in a PRIVATE message.

 

[Kuba]

So an email was sent and people are replying to it on here. ! I get it!...........😕

 

[MikeyLu2010]

this thread is funny...