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Good question,

Problems with health care: Insurance is getting a bit ridiculous, and of course people in the insurance industry have to make ludicrous amounts of money. Drug companies run a legalized monopoly with large contingencies on capital hill. Patients loose.

Problems with Dentistry: Managed care (Ie: DMSO's) are starting to gain steam. Not a sizeable part of the market yet, but I think it's coming.

anyone else?
 
Agreed. People are looking at HMOs and DMSO's like they're the worst possible thing that can happen to health care. Watch what happens when the government eventually socializes it all.
 
Originally posted by aphistis
Agreed. People are looking at HMOs and DMSO's like they're the worst possible thing that can happen to health care. Watch what happens when the government eventually socializes it all.

God I hope not, any reason Bill as to why you think socialism is on the way. Health care is going to be a watered down welfare state if we don't watch it.
 
Can anybody explain the in-depth problems with managed care taking over dentistry? I don't get it.
 
Originally posted by Zurich5
God I hope not, any reason Bill as to why you think socialism is on the way. Health care is going to be a watered down welfare state if we don't watch it.

Certainly. The problem is basically a simple question of how far the government's responsibility towards its population. In our arena, we've already got Medicaid and Medicare, and Medicare is well on its way to being expanded to include a major prescription drug benefit package. If you look at historical trends, the federal government has been steadily increasing its sphere of influence, and it's hard to argue philosophically against a national health care system when one of the first explicitly stated goals of the Constitution is "to promote the general welfare." I won't try to predict when or where it'll finally break through, but it's going to happen at some point.

Also, a corollary discussion to the managed care question is one of relative effectiveness. A ton of people go motoring around SDN bemoaning the evils of socialized health care simply because it means we'll get paid less. My perspective on that question is that anyone here who thinks we're somehow <em>entitled</em> to $150k-and-up salaries simply because we've spent four more years in school needs to have their head checked. Yes, it's great that market conditions allow us to charge these rates, but for all the carping professional students do about "we spend so much more valuable time in school than everybody else!!", nobody yet has been able to adequately justify exactly how a fractionally larger portion of our life spent in education results in an exponential increase in income. When I start practicing, I'm comfortable assuming I'll earn at <em>least</em> twice as much as my father--in the first year of my career, and the 30th or so of his. And the disparity will only get larger as time passes.

Meanwhile, we've got millions who can't afford private health insurance, and an intensely litigious society, that combine to exacerbate the problem even further. For every individual who has his life spared by a $75,000 operation, how many die from lack of access to care? Even a minimal, primary-care-only national health care system could leverage a strong potential to increase preventative care levels--and consequently reduce astronominal therapeutic care costs. No, socialized health care isn't as efficient as our current system, and yes, it'll probably flatten out the top end to some degree as it broadens its scope, but I think the potential to improve access to care is significant, and if you actually look up some numbers, the per capita expenditures aren't that different between America and socialized-health countries that have had a few years to work out the kinks.

•NOW.• Having said all that, let me emphasize I'm not necessarily an advocate of socializing health care in America. One post is COMPLETELY inadequate to describe my position on something like health care; here, I've simply been playing devil's advocate to what seems to be the prevailing philosophy. I'd love to hear some responses and debate the topic with some people if anyone is interested, but •ixnay• on the flaming. I'm not interested, and I won't respond.

Cheers! 😀
 
Good post Bill. I'm not sure if rationing is the answer though. I feel like it will only drive up the cost of health care even more if everyone has full access to the gravy train (Read: ER visits for a cough/runny nose, COPDers living at the hospital, etc..) I'm not saying that people should be deprived treatment; there just isn't enough money to provide quality medical care for everyone, let alone take advantage of the current techniques used in hospitals and clinics. With socialism, you're looking at a possible increase in infant mortality, lack of transplant options, etc... Socialism is a noble idea... keep the means away from the rich minority of capitalists... but it does not in any way reflect the patient's best interest. Preventative medicine is a scary thought and proactivity is the only answer in my eyes. I have no problem making less money for the greater good of society, but don't even get me started on the fiasco in Oregon.
 
Originally posted by Zurich5
Good post Bill. I'm not sure if rationing is the answer though. I feel like it will only drive up the cost of health care even more if everyone has full access to the gravy train (Read: ER visits for a cough/runny nose, COPDers living at the hospital, etc..)
Right, but the thing is that it wouldn't have to be that way. If it could be effectively regulated there wouldn't have to be that kind of waste. Also, suppose a patient *did* go to the ER for something trivial like a nosebleed. Personally, I'd rather see the cost of treatment brought down to what's merited by a facile condition, than propped <em>up</em> for the same condition based on the physician's misguided illusion that packing a nose with gauze is worth $400.
I'm not saying that people should be deprived treatment; there just isn't enough money to provide quality medical care for everyone, let alone take advantage of the current techniques used in hospitals and clinics.
Absolutely, and that's what I'm saying; cutting a few of the most expensive and exotic procedures off the top of the insurance pyramid would equate to a <em>lot</em> more treatment for a <em>lot</em> more people who, instead of needing a handful of $1500 MRIs, simply need a chest x-ray and a prescription to help their pneumonia--people who, right now, can't afford to see a doctor at all when they're sick.
With socialism, you're looking at a possible increase in infant mortality, lack of transplant options, etc... Socialism is a noble idea... keep the means away from the rich minority of capitalists... but it does not in any way reflect the patient's best interest. Preventative medicine is a scary thought and proactivity is the only answer in my eyes. I have no problem making less money for the greater good of society, but don't even get me started on the fiasco in Oregon.
First up, I'll stay away from the Oregon mess. Everything I've suggested here is predicated on the assumption that the whole program is sensible, and (halfway) efficiently executed. As for the compromised care you mentioned, infant mortaility and transplant availability are two extremely selective slices of the national health pie, and I don't think you can fairly point to the pieces that support a position without also including which direction the whole pie leans (e.g., which countries actually have healthier people overall?). I'm not sure what you mean by preventative medicine being "scary"; it's pretty well documented, not to mention intuitive, that preventing problems before they take off is a lot less expensive than treating them later (i.e., breast lumpectomy vs. stage IV cancer therapy). As for the rest, I'm not an advocate of socialism either--and I'm not even necessarily saying this is the best way to address the current healthcare access problem--but something needs done to improve the current situation.
 
Bill, I'm sure those were good posts, but they were much too long to actually read. Next time, keep the comments to one or two sentences. Or include pictures. I like purty colors.

For example, in the future please say something such as:

Healthcare good. Insurance bad.

or

I love donuts.

or

GOOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLL!

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by comatose
Can anybody explain the in-depth problems with managed care taking over dentistry? I don't get it.

Hi Comatose,

The problem with managed care is that these insurance companies are in it to make money and does not often have the patient's best interest in mind-- Some plans cover only the least expensive alternative treatment, such as pulling a tooth rather than save it through endo, post/core and crown.

And even when a procedure is covered, sometimes it is not full-coverage. Pile on the deductible, and the patient still has to pay a substancial amount out-of-pocket, and the patient winds up blaming the dentist for what they perceive is overcharging.

Then there are managed care networks that promises you more patients but you have to lower your fees, which is not a good deal at all because if you see more patients but at lower fees, you might actually lose money because ~65% of your fee is overhead.

So far the ADA has done a great job keeping managed care from taking over the profession. Hopefully the situation will not get worse.
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
Bill, I'm sure those were good posts, but they were much too long to actually read. Next time, keep the comments to one or two sentences. Or include pictures. I like purty colors.

For example, in the future please say something such as:

Healthcare good. Insurance bad.

or

I love donuts.

or

GOOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLL!

Thanks.

Hah. 😀
 
Originally posted by UBTom
Hi Comatose,

The problem with managed care is that these insurance companies are in it to make money and does not often have the patient's best interest in mind-- Some plans cover only the least expensive alternative treatment, such as pulling a tooth rather than save it through endo, post/core and crown.

And even when a procedure is covered, sometimes it is not full-coverage. Pile on the deductible, and the patient still has to pay a substancial amount out-of-pocket, and the patient winds up blaming the dentist for what they perceive is overcharging.

Then there are managed care networks that promises you more patients but you have to lower your fees, which is not a good deal at all because if you see more patients but at lower fees, you might actually lose money because ~65% of your fee is overhead.

So far the ADA has done a great job keeping managed care from taking over the profession. Hopefully the situation will not get worse.

Very well said
 
Originally posted by aphistis

Absolutely, and that's what I'm saying; cutting a few of the most expensive and exotic procedures off the top of the insurance pyramid would equate to a <em>lot</em> more treatment for a <em>lot</em> more people who, instead of needing a handful of $1500 MRIs, simply need a chest x-ray and a prescription to help their pneumonia--people who, right now, can't afford to see a doctor at all when they're sick.

Agree for the most part, you have to look at the copd crowd though. A lot of those people basically live in the hospital and drain staff, money; while their doctors support the lifestyle by prescribing impractical things such as breathing tx. Not a valid point when used by itself, but there are a lot of similar situations in clinics and hospitals that should be adressed before shooting off into "workers' struggle " land (socialism ).

Originally posted by aphistis

Infant mortaility and transplant availability are two extremely selective slices of the national health pie, and I don't think you can fairly point to the pieces that support a position without also including which direction the whole pie leans:
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Agreed, I was trying to say that it's a give and take situation.

Originally posted by aphistis

I'm not sure what you mean by preventative medicine being "scary:

Preventative in the sort that the drs should cover their ass. Inability to prescribe meds, diagnose properly, provide tx. Etc.. Everything that managed care imposes.

The real question is how do you think this all will affect dentistry???

Cheers
🙂
 
THANKS UBTOM!!! for explaining it to me in layman's terms. GavinC is right. Aphistis, I appreciate your insights, but you are waaaaaay to wordy. 😉
 
By the way aphistis, do you write for a journal or a newspaper? Also, what kind of books do you like to read? Whom is your favorite author?
 
A big issue in dentistry that is not realized by a lot of people is Quality Control. When a patient goes to the dentist, who makes sure that the amalgam they get on #18 is done in the proper manner? Who checks to see if it even needed an amalgam?

Dentistry is one of the few professions in the world that had pretty much no policing. Pretty much the only quality type control measure in place is CE, but it's pretty much a joke. Quality control is a critical issue because insurance companies and state govts are pushing for much more quality assurance for dentists.

The point of this all is, we as dentists/future dentists must make actions to implement some type of reasonable quality control that is tolerable and not over the edge. Because if we don't, state legislatures and the federal government will be the ones who make the rules, and they have no knowledge of dentistry.

I feel like this is a misunderstanded concept and one that is often overlooked. Older dentists don't care much because they have one foot out of the door. It is up to us as the new generation of dentistry to take proactive steps.
 
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