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Some student in my ochem lab:
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This isn't bold-- it's sheer stupidity! Was this on an anonymous forum with your class, or something? How does this student plan on not being reprimanded for this?!
 
perdvert said:
This isn't bold-- it's sheer stupidity! Was this on an anonymous forum with your class, or something? How does this student plan on not being reprimanded for this?!
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It's anonymous for the students. The professor(s) running it can still see who's who. Maybe he forgot that or something.
 
perdvert said:
Sweet baby Jesus... I'm actually getting second hand anxiety about what's going to happen to this kid. You'll have to keep us posted if you find out!
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Eh probably not going to happen since today was the end of finals week. Maybe I'll find out next semester.. I kind of just want to forget about this class altogether and I hopefully can get a B- in it. Also besides the obvious "go kill yourself part" I kind of agree, he was kind of an ass.
 
doctorcocter said:
Eh probably not going to happen since today was the end of finals week. Maybe I'll find out next semester.. I kind of just want to forget about this class altogether and I hopefully can get a B- in it. Also besides the obvious "go kill yourself part" I kind of agree, he was kind of an ass.
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I agree, except replace "kind of" with "totally." This kid was completely out of line.

Also: I doubt he'd have written that if he were doing well in the course. He's probably bombing it regardless of anything the professor might do.

Also also: the end of the term won't make this go away. I'd be shocked if he's not disciplined for this in January.
 
Goro said:
I can just see the SDN post coming:
"Got kicked out of college for telling my Prof to go F' off. Is my medical career over?"
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No no.

The post will be something like:

"Me and my professor never really got along, we exchanged a few words but nothing too extreme. He decided that I "needed discipline" and reported me to the dean, who put me on suspension. I know I shouldn't have said what I said (something like I think you aren't the best professor), but will this hurt my chances in getting into medical school? Or will this professor who took my words out of context ruin my chances?"
 
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Oh my god, that's where I went to undergrad... Never been so ashamed of the students at my alma mater. Yeah this professor's class was hard but that's no excuse for personal threats.
 
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Robin-jay said:
No no.

The post will be something like:

"Me and my professor never really got along, we exchanged a few words but nothing too extreme. He decided that I "needed discipline" and reported me to the dean, who put me on suspension. I know I shouldn't have said what I said (something like I think you aren't the best professor), but will this hurt my chances in getting into medical school? Or will this professor who took my words out of context ruin my chances?"
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I was confused for a minute :eyebrow:

So the timeline of the comments are from bottom to top right?
 
Clearly this snowflake suffers from PTSD and MDD caused by unrealistic educational standards and social media peer pressure. IMO seems like exactly the type of student adcoms are looking for and admitting these days. Keep up the good work, the II's should be pouring in any day now.
 
Goro said:
I can just see the SDN post coming:
"Got kicked out of college for telling my Prof to go F' off. Is my medical career over?"
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Student: "I just got unfairly kicked out of school for no reason at all. What should I do?"
SDN: "That doesn't sound right. If you want advice, you need to tell us what really happened."
Student: "I can't really think of anything that I did wrong. One prof just didn't like me for no reason at all."
*Over three pages, it gets pieced together that OP is 'go effing kill yourself' kid. OP is never heard from again once this is revealed.
 
He's alive and well and working on our official grades. If he doesn't adjust the grades anymore (Which he should. The average of the midterm was like 63%) I have a 79.45% so just short of a B-.
 
doctorcocter said:
He's alive and well and working on our official grades. If he doesn't adjust the grades anymore (Which he should. The average of the midterm was like 63%) I have a 79.45% so just short of a B-.
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If average is 63%, then 79.45 is at least B+ or even A-
 
PashaOdesit said:
If average is 63%, then 79.45 is at least B+ or even A-
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Not sure if you understood me correctly. 79.45% is my total grade (labs, midterm, final, homework). The only portion curved were the labs. I got a 73.3% on the midterm and an 80% on the final and I don't know about the average.
 
doctorcocter said:
Not sure if you understood me correctly. 79.45% is my total grade (labs, midterm, final, homework). The only portion curved were the labs. I got a 73.3% on the midterm and an 80% on the final and I don't know about the average.
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Got it. Still, I believe that with 79.45% you should get at least B+.
 
PashaOdesit said:
Got it. Still, I believe that with 79.45% you should get at least B+.
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Is generous curving a norm in other schools? It’s non almost existent for my school, and especially chemistry. For example, for my Gen Chem 1 class, besides the first test, the average scores were in the mid 60s. Our “curve” was a couple extra credit questions on the last exam. I’d say about 1/3 of the starting class had to drop.
 
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doctorcocter said:
Is generous curving a norm in other schools? It’s non almost existent for my school, and especially chemistry. For example, for my Gen Chem 1 class, besides the first test, the average scores were in the mid 60s. Our “curve” was a couple extra credit questions on the last exam. I’d say about 1/3 of the starting class had to drop.
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I have attended 2 universities and both had something similar. Most science courses had 55-70% averages. For chem and physics courses, it was 55-65%. Usually average was counted as C+/B- in general. Everything else was distributed around that based on deviation and such.
 
PashaOdesit said:
I have attended 2 universities and both had something similar. Most science courses had 55-70% averages. For chem and physics courses, it was 55-65%. Usually average was counted as C+/B- in general. Everything else was distributed around that based on deviation and such.
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I used to grade for several professors, and I almost think the average was closer to 70% than to 55% across every gen chem 1 course at the university I taught. However, it could be as low as 55%, but its hard to tell because so many students would just not show up to class at all and have a grade between 30-50%, lowering the average substantially.

Upper level bio courses felt closer to 80% averages.
Upper level chem. courses felt closer to 70% averages.

There was a mid-term and final exam in one of my "graduate" chemistry courses where the average was 30%, making the class average for that class around 40%. Obviously curved at the end.
 
Is this Ochem lab you’re talking about? Those lab exams with the separations were brutal, there’s gotta be enough of a curve to give you a B and maybe even a B+ If you’re lucky.
 
Robin-jay said:
I used to grade for several professors, and I almost think the average was closer to 70% than to 55% across every gen chem 1 course at the university I taught. However, it could be as low as 55%, but its hard to tell because so many students would just not show up to class at all and have a grade between 30-50%, lowering the average substantially.

Upper-level bio courses felt closer to 80% averages.
Upper-level chem. courses felt closer to 70% averages.

There was a mid-term and final exam in one of my "graduate" chemistry courses where the average was 30%, making the class average for that class around 40%. Obviously curved at the end.
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since you graded for some professors, in your opinion would you not give any points if you made an alkoxide ion in order to create an ether for a synthesis while the conditions were acidic. because that's what my prof did. I didn't mind, in fact, it was funny along with forgetting partial charges on the cyclic halonium intermediates.
 
harmony14 said:
since you graded for some professors, in your opinion would you not give any points if you made an alkoxide ion in order to create an ether for a synthesis while the conditions were acidic. because that's what my prof did. I didn't mind, in fact, it was funny along with forgetting partial charges on the cyclic halonium intermediates.
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I've graded for about 20 different professors.

So, all professors grade so incredibly different.

Lets say you were given an 10 point NMR quiz to figure out a structure, the professors would grade your structure by:

Professor 1: gives full credit, half credit, or no credit (structure is either correct, partly incorrect, or mostly incorrect).
Professor 2: takes off 1 or 0.5 points per mistake (wrong functional group, maybe wrong number of carbons/hydrogens somewhere)
Professor 3: takes off 1 point or 0.5 points off per major mistake, 0.1 points per every minor mistake (whole functional group equals major, wrong number of carbons/hydrogens minor).

Etc.

If it were me, and your synthesis made sense under basic conditions, I'd give you at least half the points mate (like 5/10). If you did it wrong under basic conditions (2 huge whammies), I might try to get you up to 3.5/10 points. I'm a lenient grader though, and I carefully read over my students work. Many professors won't work any magic to try and allocate points carefully because it takes so much of their time. Thats why they either give full credit, half credit, or no credit type of deals.
 
Robin-jay said:
I've graded for about 20 different professors.

So, all professors grade so incredibly different.

Lets say you were given an 10 point NMR quiz to figure out a structure, the professors would grade your structure by:

Professor 1: gives full credit, half credit, or no credit (structure is either correct, partly incorrect, or mostly incorrect).
Professor 2: takes off 1 or 0.5 points per mistake (wrong functional group, maybe wrong number of carbons/hydrogens somewhere)
Professor 3: takes off 1 point or 0.5 points off per major mistake, 0.1 points per every minor mistake (whole functional group equals major, wrong number of carbons/hydrogens minor).

Etc.

If it were me, and your synthesis made sense under basic conditions, I'd give you at least half the points mate (like 5/10). If you did it wrong under basic conditions (2 huge whammies), I might try to get you up to 3.5/10 points. I'm a lenient grader though, and I carefully read over my students work. Many professors won't work any magic to try and allocate points carefully because it takes so much of their time. Thats why they either give full credit, half credit, or no credit type of deals.
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dang, i must have missed the acidic/basic conditions concept in gen chem. yeah my prof is professor 3 for spectroscopic techniques and professor 1 for reactions haha.
 
Grade is out and 79.5% was the cutoff for a B+. .05% off.

 
HomeSkool said:
No shame in a B in that class. Way to go!
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There's still one thing I think that's not added. It's only 2 points but it'll get me over the mark. I'm still emailing him about it, but he's not responding, and all I want is a response. I won't care much if he doesn't add it because the a B vs a B+ in a 2 credit hour class isn't the thing that's going to keep me out of med school but it's still just a little bit better.
 
doctorcocter said:
There's still one thing I think that's not added. It's only 2 points but it'll get me over the mark. I'm still emailing him about it, but he's not responding, and all I want is a response. I won't care much if he doesn't add it because the a B vs a B+ in a 2 credit hour class isn't the thing that's going to keep me out of med school but it's still just a little bit better.
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I once had a professor screw up the grading and give me a B+ for a course in which I'd earned an A (like, 97% overall in the course kind of thing). I took my grievance to the department chair, together with a printout from BlackBoard of my grade for every assignment and the final. I proved my case. The dude still only increased my grade to an A-. I decided that wasn't the hill I wanted to die on. Don't fight over the two points too hard, even if you're in the right. They won't matter one bit in the grand scheme of your career. And definitely don't let stress over them ruin your semester break.
 
Robin-jay said:
I used to grade for several professors, and I almost think the average was closer to 70% than to 55% across every gen chem 1 course at the university I taught. However, it could be as low as 55%, but its hard to tell because so many students would just not show up to class at all and have a grade between 30-50%, lowering the average substantially.

Upper level bio courses felt closer to 80% averages.
Upper level chem. courses felt closer to 70% averages.

There was a mid-term and final exam in one of my "graduate" chemistry courses where the average was 30%, making the class average for that class around 40%. Obviously curved at the end.
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a C in cell bio and euk molecular bio was 40% at my Uni. Curves were insane
 
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