BR bio, section 10, passage 10, question 59

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Not really getting it. If 4 base pairs are recognized and a cut, wouldnt that make 3 fragments? I get that 4(base pairs)^4(length of pair) = 256 pairs. Actually, the math involved is hard for me to follow. If possible, could someone help me out
 
Not really getting it. If 4 base pairs are recognized and a cut, wouldnt that make 3 fragments? I get that 4(base pairs)^4(length of pair) = 256 pairs. Actually, the math involved is hard for me to follow. If possible, could someone help me out

More people can help if you post the entire question.
 
Its a passage based question, but here is just the question:

Assuming DNA has an equal proportion of all bases, how many fragments would a restriction enzyme that recognized 4 base pairs produce from a DNA fragment that is 10,000 base pairs long?

Also the question is taken from BR bio, section 10, passage 10, question 59
 
Its a passage based question, but here is just the question:

Assuming DNA has an equal proportion of all bases, how many fragments would a restriction enzyme that recognized 4 base pairs produce from a DNA fragment that is 10,000 base pairs long?

Also the question is taken from BR bio, section 10, passage 10, question 59

Ok, so the restriction enzyme recognizes 4 base pairs. You do 4^4 because there are 4 possibilities (4 different bases in any given nucleic acid polymer) that can be at any of the 4 positions of the sequence recognized by the enzyme.

So in DNA you have A, T, C, and G as bases and in a 4 bp sequence you have positions 1, 2, 3, 4.

Say the enzyme recognized a 6 bp sequence, you would do 4^6 because there are still only 4 bases (ATCG) but now you have 6 possible positions.

The number you get from the 4^x calculation is the theoretical frequency of the recognizable palindromic sequence. The longer the sequence is, the rarer it will be found. This is why restriction enzymes that recognize smaller sequences cleave more fragments than restriction enzymes that recognize longer sequences.

Anyway, back on track. This problem tells you the restriction enzyme (RE) recognizes a 4 bp sequence. So you know that the RE will only cleave when it finds the exact 4bp sequence it is looking for. If I told you the sequence was, for example, CCGG but the DNA I show to the RE is only AT base pairs, there would be no fragments cleaved because a CCGG sequence would not exist at any point along the strand. However, the problem tells you to assume equal amounts of all bases, so you have to do a little more work.
 
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it needs 4 base pairs. the chances of it being one base pair is 1/4. two base pairs is 1/4^2. three is 1/4^3. four is 1/4^4.

so i think it's 1000/16 = 62.5.

i'm not sure how to rationalize it well statistically. just doing this based off what i know from molecular bio class. is this correct?

It should be 10,000/(4^4) = 1*10^4/3*10^2 = 0.333*10^2 = 33 (I rounded here, it should be a little more than 33)

I'm not really sure how to explain it statistically either besides the following.

The only fragments to be cleaved are ones that have the exact 4bp sequence recognized by the RE. Since this sequence can have any 1 of 4 bases at each of the 4 positions, the likelyhood that such a sequence even exists is 1 in 4^4, or 1:256. In other words, statistically speaking, every 256bp there will only be 1 correct 4bp. So if you have a 10k bp strand, 10k/256 = a little less than 40 total correct sequences = 40 fragments cleaved.
 
that was a calculation mistake. i meant 4^4 but i did 4*4 instead!

i didn't offer any real explanation so i recanted my response. plus i realized that the answer is in original post.
 
that was a calculation mistake. i meant 4^4 but i did 4*4 instead!

i didn't offer any real explanation so i recanted my response. plus i realized that the answer is in original post.

Are you finding that this is a hard concept to explain as well? I kind of equate it to Hess' law or something else that you really just have to learn by doing.

Is Hess' law on the MCAT btw? I don't think I saw it in TBR.
 
Are you finding that this is a hard concept to explain as well? I kind of equate it to Hess' law or something else that you really just have to learn by doing.

Is Hess' law on the MCAT btw? I don't think I saw it in TBR.

yes. i just have it memorized with things like flipping a coin and chances of getting heads 3x.

Yes it is. Don't remember TBR, but was in my TPR book.
 
yes. i just have it memorized with things like flipping a coin and chances of getting heads 3x.

Yes it is. Don't remember TBR, but was in my TPR book.

Yea. Same stuff as getting one "aa" offspring, two offspring, two consecutive offspring, etc from heterozygous parents
 
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