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Midwestern & Western

AZ & CA

What do you guys think any advantage or disadvantage of attending these newly launching schools.

My thinking...

Advantage
1) New facility (brand new, clean, the first member(only Western) to use them)
2) Newly introduced professors (Must have been recruited from other D-schools, and we don't know about this yet - Any hot information regarding this???)
3) Advantage when pursuing Specialty or higher education at the same college

Disadvantage
1) Curriculum in chaos
2) Alumni network
3) NBDE know-how

What do you guys think and know more about these new schools?

BTW, they have medical and other health related schools already.
 
Midwestern & Western

AZ & CA

What do you guys think any advantage or disadvantage of attending these newly launching schools.

My thinking...

Advantage
1) New facility (brand new, clean, the first member(only Western) to use them)
2) Newly introduced professors (Must have been recruited from other D-schools, and we don't know about this yet - Any hot information regarding this???)
3) Advantage when pursuing Specialty or higher education at the same college

Disadvantage
1) Curriculum in chaos
2) Alumni network
3) NBDE know-how

What do you guys think and know more about these new schools?

BTW, they have medical and other health related schools already.


I can speak of MWU as I am currently part of the 1st inaugural class.
There are both advantages and disadvantages of a new school
Advantages:
1. Facility: MWU currently has the most up to date, state of the art Sim Lab in the US. All our equipment is new, and we will be using the newest in dental technology.

2. Professors: Majority of the first 2 years in any dental school is spent in the Basic Sciences. MWU already having a medical, pharmacy, podiatry, PA, Biological sciences program (Optometry is being made next year), they already had a solid basic sciences program along with all the professors. MWU also has 2 campuses (one in Illinois, and one in Arizona). So this university obviously knows what its doing to be this successful. For the new dental college at MWU, the staff basically used this foundation and designed a basic science program for the dental students so we are ready for Part 1 boards. In terms of the dental staff, our dean has done an awesome job in hand selecting our dental professors. Our Dean is one of the major contributors to the making of ASDOH. So he has already been through the whole process in building a new dental school. Its his 2nd time doing this, so he knows what he is doing.

You put "curriculum in chaos" as one of your disadvantages, but I can tell you, thus far there has been no chaos. There has been only one minor adjustment. The dean along with his staff has done an exceptional job in planning our curriculum.

In terms of the curriculum, a new school has an advantage in having newer ways of teaching material. MWU is doing the systems/module sysytems approach (it is NOT PBL). Also integrated into our curriculum, we are taking Dental ethnics classes, which not many schools teach.
In terms of the NBDE know how that you put, our dental faculty are really knowledgable regarding the boards. We always here (thats important for the boards) At MWU we are required to take the Boards Part 1 after our 1st year. To make this possible, MWU has done a nice job in cutting all the unneccessary info, and really emphasizing what we really need to know.

Disadvantages:
1. You are right in terms of the alumin network. Us being the 1st class, we don't have any alumni. However, I heard that the Illinois campus is also making a dental school with around 140 students. Even though its on a different campus, they will also be technically "Midwestern" students, which means when the Illinois campus is up and running, MWU will be graduating almost 300 students per year total from both campuses.

2. We don't have the "brand name power" that other schools have. However, realistically once you graduate your still a dentist, and not many people care as long as you are a good clinician.

Things to keep in mind:
MWU was modeled after 2 schools, U of P being one of them, and ASDOH. MWU is like UOP in the sense that MWU is like a 3 year program (takes the boards and does all the basic sciences in the 1st year), and spends the last 3 years with actual dentistry. So technically we are like UOP but with 1 more year of clinical experience in our 4th year.
 
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I can speak of MWU as I am currently part of the 1st inaugural class.
There are both advantages and disadvantages of a new school
Advantages:
1. Facility: MWU currently has the most up to date, state of the art Sim Lab in the US. All our equipment is new, and we will be using the newest in dental technology.

2. Professors: Majority of the first 2 years in any dental school is spent in the Basic Sciences. MWU already having a medical, pharmacy, podiatry, PA, Biological sciences program (Optometry is being made next year), they already had a solid basic sciences program along with all the professors. MWU also has 2 campuses (one in Illinois, and one in Arizona). So this university obviously knows what its doing to be this successful. For the new dental college at MWU, the staff basically used this foundation and designed a basic science program for the dental students so we are ready for Part 1 boards. In terms of the dental staff, our dean has done an awesome job in hand selecting our dental professors. Our Dean is one of the major contributors to the making of ASDOH. So he has already been through the whole process in building a new dental school. Its his 2nd time doing this, so he knows what he is doing.

You put "curriculum in chaos" as one of your disadvantages, but I can tell you, thus far there has been no chaos. There has been only one minor adjustment. The dean along with his staff has done an exceptional job in planning our curriculum.

In terms of the curriculum, a new school has an advantage in having newer ways of teaching material. MWU is doing the systems/module sysytems approach (it is NOT PBL). Also integrated into our curriculum, we are taking Dental ethnics classes, which not many schools teach.
In terms of the NBDE know how that you put, our dental faculty are really knowledgable regarding the boards. We always here (thats important for the boards) At MWU we are required to take the Boards Part 1 after our 1st year. To make this possible, MWU has done a nice job in cutting all the unneccessary info, and really emphasizing what we really need to know.

Disadvantages:
1. You are right in terms of the alumin network. Us being the 1st class, we don't have any alumni. However, I heard that the Illinois campus is also making a dental school with around 140 students. Even though its on a different campus, they will also be technically "Midwestern" students, which means when the Illinois campus is up and running, MWU will be graduating almost 300 students per year total from both campuses.

2. We don't have the "brand name power" that other schools have. However, realistically once you graduate your still a dentist, and not many people care as long as you are a good clinician.

Things to keep in mind:
MWU was modeled after 2 schools, U of P being one of them, and ASDOH. MWU is like UOP in the sense that MWU is like a 3 year program (takes the boards and does all the basic sciences in the 1st year), and spends all 3 years with actual dentistry. So technically we are like UOP but with 1 more year of clinical experience.

Great info~

Btw, does it mean you don't have summer breaks during the 1st year?

So, it's clinically oriented school, isn't it?
 
Great info~

Btw, does it mean you don't have summer breaks during the 1st year?

So, it's clinically oriented school, isn't it?


We do technically have a summer break our 1st year from June through August (no classes). However, we have to take our part 1 boards before entering our 2nd year in the fall, meaning we have to take it during our summer break. So the earlier you take your boards and finish it, the more summer break you have.

I was told at my interview that MWU will be focusing on being a clinically oriented school, to make solid clinicians. So if you plan on doing any research I don't think this is the place for you.
 
thanks for this wonderful information. It was very helpful. Good luck with your NBDE and I am sure you make a great dentist!
 
We do technically have a summer break our 1st year from June through August (no classes). However, we have to take our part 1 boards before entering our 2nd year in the fall, meaning we have to take it during our summer break. So the earlier you take your boards and finish it, the more summer break you have.

I was told at my interview that MWU will be focusing on being a clinically oriented school, to make solid clinicians. So if you plan on doing any research I don't think this is the place for you.


to consider MWU D-school, I should also plan for NBDE preparation.

Anyway, out of curiosity, I want to ask when you start preparing for NBDE test. How many months will you invest on NBDE prep?

Do you think 1st yr class courses and 1-2month summer prep will be enough? (Or are you preparing for the test already?)

Plz share your story and also your peers'! 🙂

BTW, at this time, I got more questions about NBDE.

----------------------Breif things about NBDE-------------

If possible, plz input any info regarding NBDE. 🙂

1. What are prerequisites for NBDE?
2. How many times can it be taken?
3. What they are for? (To measure what?)
4. Subjects? (Association with class courses)
5. When do most people begin to prepare & why?
6. Your "ideal" suggestion based on ur experience!
🙂

Input by any other d-students and others will be also appreciated a lot! 🙂
 
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Things to keep in mind:
MWU was modeled after 2 schools, U of P being one of them, and ASDOH. MWU is like UOP in the sense that MWU is like a 3 year program (takes the boards and does all the basic sciences in the 1st year), and spends the last 3 years with actual dentistry. So technically we are like UOP but with 1 more year of clinical experience in our 4th year.

Unless you're starting in clinic 2nd year doing comprehensive care, and finish the large majority of your pre-clinical classes (operative, fixed, perio, endo blahblah) first year as well, it's not quite the Pacific model plus a year. We don't actually finish our basic sciences OR take boards after first year at Pacific, that model is more like Maryland/Nova.
 
I find going to a new dental school a benefit too that you get to forge the legacy of the school. If you set yourself up right, you could possibly be one of the leading figures of the university near your retirement years.
 
When I went to Midwestern, they talked about how the clinic won't be opened until the entering class enters third year. From the other dental schools I have been to the first and second years get to do cleanings, sealants, and patient screenings. Since the clinic won't even be built our first year we won't have the opportunity to participate in the basics.
 
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