Brown V. Coakley

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So... For those of you SDNers who stay up to date with current events... Who's watching the exit polls and getting excited about potentially being able to make money in 4 years?!?!?!

 

[guyski79]

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[NASA123]

Well the precincts are all reporting now on the national news sources. Not technically exit polls i guess.

 

[JJMrK]

I'm watching.

 

[Gallix23]

I tossed my vote in for Brown a few hours ago, it's looking pretty good so far!! 😀😀😀

 

[Gallix23]

Sorry about being clueless... but what are we talkin about here?

The Massachusetts special election, Scott Brown and Martha Coakley are in the running for the senate seat. Brown is against the healthcare bill and is the vote that the republicans need. Currently he is leading 52% to 47% with 37% precincts reporting and if he wins he will be the first republican senator in MA in 47 years.

 

[JJMrK]

Sorry about being clueless... but what are we talkin about here?

MA election of a senator to replace Kennedy.

 

[jtimmer1]

I think that America (more so Massachusetts) has gone mad if a republican takes a Kennedy's senate seat.

 

[guyski79]

I think that America (more so Massachusetts) has gone mad if a republican takes a Kennedy's senate seat.

Yes, but how ironic if Ted Kennedy's seat is the one that actually derails health care reform.

If irony were strawberries, we'd all be having some strawberry smoothies right now.

 

[shishka32]

Scott brown has won!

 

[parafilm]

Voted for Coakley this morning (making my political views not so popular among the population of SDN, I know) but we all knew she was going to lose.

She ran an absurdly bad campaign and didn't deserve to win, she's just a terrible candidate. She also didn't know who the pitcher of the Red Sox is, and you can do anything in this town except offend a sox town.

Oh well. And yes, Ted Kennedy was a leading supporter of health care reform, so the irony in all of it is painful indeed.

 

[Gallix23]

Scott brown has won!

you beat me to it, I'm so pumped!!!

 

[DrBowtie]

Mary Jo Kopechne got the last laugh on this one Teddy!

Bodes well for the GOP in the mid term elections and beyond.

 

[BlindWillieMCT]

Scott brown has won!

😀

I feel like fist pumping for my future

 

[RogueUnicorn]

sox lose, pats lose, dems lose.. christ...

 

[mangareader]

Coakley concedes. Democrats shocked. Bye bye 60 seat majority. Game over health reform. Conservatives celebrate...








































House simply passes senate bill. President signs bill. Democrats celebrate. Conservatives am cry.

Edit: I am actually glad Coakley lost. She was a terrible candidate.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

as sad as i am about the terrible memory of some people, it's probably a good thing in the long run for there not to be a supermajority for any party

 

[JJMrK]

Coakley concedes. Democrats shocked. Bye bye 60 seat majority. Game over health reform. Conservatives celebrate...






House simply passes senate bill. President signs bill. Democrats celebrate. Conservatives am cry.

That's pretty unlikely.

 

[Gallix23]

Coakley concedes. Democrats shocked. Bye bye 60 seat majority. Game over health reform. Conservatives celebrate...

I thought the house didn't like the senate bill, which is why the dems couldn't fast track the passing of it in the time before Brown is actually sworn into office.

 

[ChiDO]

Talk about an EPIC victory. One step closer to crushing Obamacare.

""Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts.''

For years, that was the bumper-sticker boast of the Bay State, the only state that voted for Democrat George McGovern for president in 1972, the year when Richard Nixon was swept to reelection with 97 percent of the electoral vote.

That's how true-blue Massachusetts is."

"
A little over a year ago, President Barack Obama carried Massachusetts by about 25 percentage points in an election that signalled a readiness for "change '' -- yet about what one would expect from the only state tthat backed George McGovern in 1972.
Less than one month ago, Martha Coakley, the Democratic attorney general in Massachusetts, held an apparent 15-percentage point advantage in her contest with Republican state Sen. Scott Brown in a special election for the Senate seat of the late and long-serving Sen. Edward M. Kennedy -- about what one would expect in a state that sent Kennedy to Washington for nearly five decades.


Yet tonight, the Bay State went Republican."

 

[shishka32]

Coakley concedes. Democrats shocked. Bye bye 60 seat majority. Game over health reform. Conservatives celebrate...

House simply passes senate bill. President signs bill. Democrats celebrate. Conservatives am cry.

Edit: I am actually glad Coakley lost. She was a terrible candidate.

Won't happen.

 

[zinciest]

😀

I feel like fist pumping for my future

So your reason for supporting him was to protect a salary that you haven't even earned yet, much less put in the work to deserve?😱

 

[mangareader]

That's pretty unlikely.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/hoyer-senate-health-care-bill-better-than-nothing.php

"At his weekly press conference this morning, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters that the Senate health care bill would be better than no reform at all. He also insisted that, if Republican Scott Brown wins the Massachusetts Senate special election tonight, Congress can act to pass reform in the approximately 15-day window between tonight and when Republican Scott Brown is officially seated."

 

[DrBowtie]

So your reason for supporting him was to protect a salary that you haven't even earned yet, much less put in the work to deserve?😱

Duh?

 

[parafilm]

as sad as i am about the terrible memory of some people, it's probably a good thing in the long run for there not to be a supermajority for any party

Although I'm pretty (ok fine, very) liberal, I agree.

What surprises me is that MA has "socialized" health care, and people seem to really love it. So to vote down a candidate who supports it on a national level seems counterintuitive.

But even democrats didn't like Coakley. Maybe it has less to do with the attitude of very-liberal MA and more to do with Coakley sucking at everything and thinking she was entitled to the seat.

 

[shishka32]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/hoyer-senate-health-care-bill-better-than-nothing.php

"At his weekly press conference this morning, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters that the Senate health care bill would be better than no reform at all. He also insisted that, if Republican Scott Brown wins the Massachusetts Senate special election tonight, Congress can act to pass reform in the approximately 15-day window between tonight and when Republican Scott Brown is officially seated."

There are provisions in the Senate bill that House democrats won't vote for. Do your research and run the numbers.

 

[Gallix23]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/hoyer-senate-health-care-bill-better-than-nothing.php

"At his weekly press conference this morning, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters that the Senate health care bill would be better than no reform at all. He also insisted that, if Republican Scott Brown wins the Massachusetts Senate special election tonight, Congress can act to pass reform in the approximately 15-day window between tonight and when Republican Scott Brown is officially seated."

Yes, they talked about doing this, but there are many aspects of the bill the house doesn't like and they said it's highly unlikely the house will just pass the senate bill as is without getting a say in it.

 

[jtimmer1]

Yes, but how ironic if Ted Kennedy's seat is the one that actually derails health care reform.

If irony were strawberries, we'd all be having some strawberry smoothies right now.

Death by strawberries.

 

[DrBowtie]

Although I'm pretty (ok fine, very) liberal, I agree.

What surprises me is that MA has "socialized" health care, and people seem to really love it. So to vote down a candidate who supports it on a national level seems counterintuitive.

But even democrats didn't like Coakley. Maybe it has less to do with the attitude of very-liberal MA and more to do with Coakley sucking at everything and thinking she was entitled to the seat.

Are you joking? They hate it. It is an underfunded clustermess. They know better than anyone what kind of mess we would get if the bill passes.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Are you joking? They hate it. It is an underfunded clustermess. They know better than anyone what kind of mess we would get if the bill passes.

lol really?

 

[zinciest]

Are you joking? They hate it. It is an underfunded clustermess. They know better than anyone what kind of mess we would get if the bill passes.

How is it underfunded? I've heard a lot of complaints, but not that one. Got a source?

 

[thamsenman]

Mary Jo Kopechne got the last laugh on this one Teddy!

Bodes well for the GOP in the mid term elections and beyond.

I bet he's grimacing in his cold smelly burial box. 😱

 

[zempa]

Really happy for now but trying to not get too excited..still a lot of work left to be done to derail this damn Obamacare

 

[ChiDO]

Although I'm pretty (ok fine, very) liberal, I agree.

What surprises me is that MA has "socialized" health care, and people seem to really love it. So to vote down a candidate who supports it on a national level seems counterintuitive.

But even democrats didn't like Coakley. Maybe it has less to do with the attitude of very-liberal MA and more to do with Coakley sucking at everything and thinking she was entitled to the seat.

Sources?

Last I heard, it was bankrupting the state and premiums were rising?

"According to Tanner, a U.S. Census Bureau survey conducted in 2006 found that 5.4 percent of the population was still uninsured. State income-tax returns also suggest that the figure is more than five percent."

""The reality is that in 2007, the first year after the plan went into place, insurance premiums rose by 7.4 percent. It went up by about 12 percent in 2008, and they're expected to rise nine percent this year," he said. "Overall, that's an average of 10 to12 percent increases in the insurance premiums in Massachusetts."

"That's compared to a 6 to 7 percent increase nationally over the same period," he said."

 

[shishka32]

Honestly... what has the government ever done right?

 

[JaggerPlate]

There are provisions in the Senate bill that House democrats won't vote for. Do your research and run the numbers.

I'm still a little nervous here ...

Dems are going to do all they can to cram this extremely unpopular bill into signature during the next 2 weeks, while the Republicans are going to look for every loop hole and precedent possible to get Brown in as soon as possible. This does not kill healthcare reform, it potentially kills the current version, which has been dominated by a single party, disliked by too many groups across the board, and clouded in shady 'closed door' sessions.

 

[mangareader]

There are provisions in the Senate bill that House democrats won't vote for. Do your research and run the numbers.

I know that the house has issues with the "cadillac" tax, abortion issues, and immigration issues in the senate bill. I simply posted what the majority leader said today.

"I think the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing," Hoyer said.

The notion that this vote kills health reform is silly.

Edit:

"President Obama thinks the health care bill will live on even if Democratic candidate Martha Coakley loses tonight."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...change-health-care-negotiations.php?ref=dcblt

 

[DrBowtie]

lol really?

How is it underfunded? I've heard a lot of complaints, but not that one. Got a source?

They interviewed former Governor's Romney and Swift and both said it was an underfunded mess.

Aside from that, voters speak. I'll try to find a literary source.

 

[zinciest]

Duh?

That doesn't seem odd to you? The poster I quoted is so concerned with self interest that they would deny subsidies to poor people without insurance, so that in the future, if they're accepted to medical school, they can make a lot of money as a doctor.

If that seems like rational, moral thinking then 😕

 

[JaggerPlate]

What this means for the Dems:

Bluest state in the nation elected a Republican Senator to a seat that had been dominated by Kennedy Democrats for 60 years, despite a push of support from the current President (who made completely unprofessional remarks during his 'support'), and with 65% of registered Independents voting 'Right' . Ouch ...

 

[zinciest]

They interviewed former Governor's Romney and Swift and both said it was an underfunded mess.

Aside from that, voters speak. I'll try to find a literary source.

Are you joking? Two republicans said it was underfunded... and that means something? Find a nonpartisan source - an economist, something from Massachusetts budgeting office, but c'mon, only the dumbest conservatives would take what two republican governors said hook line and sinker.

 

[Gallix23]

That doesn't seem odd to you? The poster I quoted is so concerned with self interest that they would deny subsidies to poor people without insurance, so that in the future, if they're accepted to medical school, they can make a lot of money as a doctor.

If that seems like rational, moral thinking then 😕

A lot of well deserved and needed money after racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for 8 years of schooling....

 

[RogueUnicorn]

They interviewed former Governor's Romney and Swift and both said it was an underfunded mess.

Aside from that, voters speak. I'll try to find a literary source.

a republican presidential candidate slammed it? shocker. if he hated it so much, why did he sign it into law?

 

[shishka32]

I know that the house has issues with the "cadillac" tax, abortion issues, and immigration issues in the senate bill. I simply posted what the majority leader said today.

"I think the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing," Hoyer said.

The notion that this vote kills health reform is silly.

Edit:

"President Obama thinks the health care bill will live on even if Democratic candidate Martha Coakley loses tonight."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...change-health-care-negotiations.php?ref=dcblt

Hoyer thinks that... but don't other House democrats have a vote also? Maybe other House democrats think differently than Hoyer..... just a thought.

 

[7starmantis]

Now let the games begin. Will be interesting to see how they seat or not seat him.

as sad as i am about the terrible memory of some people, it's probably a good thing in the long run for there not to be a supermajority for any party

I can agree with this completely.

 

[DrBowtie]

That doesn't seem odd to you? The poster I quoted is so concerned with self interest that they would deny subsidies to poor people without insurance, so that in the future, if they're accepted to medical school, they can make a lot of money as a doctor.

If that seems like rational, moral thinking then 😕

Medicine is a job.

 

[JJMrK]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/hoyer-senate-health-care-bill-better-than-nothing.php

"At his weekly press conference this morning, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters that the Senate health care bill would be better than no reform at all. He also insisted that, if Republican Scott Brown wins the Massachusetts Senate special election tonight, Congress can act to pass reform in the approximately 15-day window between tonight and when Republican Scott Brown is officially seated."

Yeah, I'm aware.

 

[parafilm]

Are you joking? They hate it. It is an underfunded clustermess. They know better than anyone what kind of mess we would get if the bill passes.

I could be wrong (I'll admit, fine 🙄), mainly because I live in Boston proper where everyone votes democrat, wants health care reform, smokes too much weed, etc etc etc. Among people I know who have it (who include people from different economic backgrounds as well as people who are entering health care fields) I've heard some positive things. But hey, I'm no expert and I have (terrible) private insurance so I don't know personally.

 

[DrBowtie]

Are you joking? Two republicans said it was underfunded... and that means something? Find a nonpartisan source - an economist, something from Massachusetts budgeting office, but c'mon, only the dumbest conservatives would take what two republican governors said hook line and sinker.

a republican presidential candidate slammed it? shocker. if he hated it so much, why did he sign it into law?

If you can find a Democratic Governor to interview that served during its use then you can source them, but I think you'll have a hard time finding one

Check ChiDO's post above for some financials about the program.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Are you joking? Two republicans said it was underfunded... and that means something? Find a nonpartisan source - an economist, something from Massachusetts budgeting office, but c'mon, only the dumbest conservatives would take what two republican governors said hook line and sinker.

i think it's hard to deny it's currently underfunded