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I love playing that game, people who are against this current bill are against poor people getting help.
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Brown V. Coakley
Started by NASA123
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I love playing that game, people who are against this current bill are against poor people getting help.
"At the same time, in 2008, yearly family premiums here averaged $13,788, the highest in the nation."
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/17/nation/na-health-massachusetts17?pg=3
I guess you can be happy paying the most.
If you can find a Democratic Governor to interview that served during its use then you can source them, but I think you'll have a hard time finding one
like the current governor of massachusetts??
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"Do you call what was revealed, the day, healthcare reform died".
Apparently very few people on SDN care about the 46 million uninsured Americans.
Apparently very few people on SDN care about the 46 million uninsured Americans.
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I love playing that game, people who are against this current bill are against poor people getting help.
Do they not receive care if they come in to the ER bleeding to death? Point, game, set, match.
Find some quotes.
oh god let's not turn to those kinds of lines
Harry Reid:
'Brown will be seated when all the proper paperwork is received ...'
what this means? more to come ...
'Brown will be seated when all the proper paperwork is received ...'
what this means? more to come ...
Must be certified by the State Senate I believe.
If you can find a Democratic Governor to interview that served during its use then you can source them, but I think you'll have a hard time finding one
Check ChiDO's post above for some financials about the program.
I'm not an ideologue, so if a democrat made a claim like those republicans do, damn right I'd be suspicious. I'm suspicious of claims being made by both sides, but the claims from the right are far more insidious.
ChiDo quoted Michael Tanner, a person who works at a libertarian think tank. If I cared to, I could dig up quotes from socialists or from the prohibition party, but they would be biased. Still waiting for a non biased assessment, something you guys are sorely lacking in your assertions.
While not exactly non partisan, Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize laureate who has written extensively about health care. I think he knows his economics, so you should give it a look. It's antithetical to what obstructionist republicans are saying, and methinks Krugman knows just a tad more about the economic impact of health care than they do.
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Straw man ...
Future physicians dislike the current version of reform, ergo, they must not want to extend insurance to the disenfranchised. Fallacy.
Seriously
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I'm just saying, the current system is not sustainable. Something needs to be done. I don't like the democrats plan, but the republicans have offered absolutely nothing but "no".
Oh, they care, but only if it doesn't interfere with their salaries.
Since it got lost above!
Seriously? Do you follow politics? A legislative win is always better than a loss. If the democrats don't pass something health reform related, they will be seen as ineffective and suffer worse defeats than if they did pass something. What are they going to do? Go to their constituents and say, well we almost passed health reforms... No, they will pass it so they they have an accomplishment to run on.
in 2 seconds of searching, i found "First of all, I want to say I applaud the administration as I do the legislature for taking a step in the right direction with the health care reform bill"
also, i'm still waiting for you to show me how we "hate" the health law we have now.. i'm open to the idea that the majority don't like it, but i doubt it. according to a bud of mine who actually followed this race, apparently one of scott brown's arguments was that the federal plan would ruin what we have here.
Really? There was a bill that supported portability of insurance, selling across state lines that was given 1 second of thought before being defeated. The GOP tried, but the numbers just weren't there.
Yes, I'm personally involved in politics. And... we will see about your theory.
secretary of state
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Sorry, I guess you guys like having the highest premiums in the nation as I posted previously.
What about the people that were borderline? Do you think they are going to sacrifice their political careers by cramming through this unpopular bill as swiftly as possible? Stats show it is unpopular, no one knows enough about it it, and don't want it. The mid-elections demonstrate how hard the dems are going to struggle in the near future. The government is full of people who only care about their own political career, and those on the borderline will probably NOT sacrifice their chances at reelection for this ****ty bill.
I read about it being underfunded a year and a half ago. They've said the same thing about social security for years. I can deny that it is underfunded, because nobody has posted a source - a recent source.
Keep quoting your libertarian think tank. lol
I'm sorry that I would like to be paid for going to school and training for 15 years while giving up my 20s and better part of my 30s.
If you stop worrying so much about dem or repubs and think about what really needs to be done, one can see this as the travesty it really is. This bill is simply not better than nothing at the moment, we need serious issues addressed seriously and that means bipartisan. Oh, and thats coming from one of the uninsured.
we're also #6 in per household income in the nation, so we're doing quite fine, thanks. way to turn away from what we're actually asking you to show.
Exactly. Reform isn't dead, but it's a chance to hopefully take a step back and make a more centralized version with input from both parties for REAL reform.
except neither party will ever be truly interested in anything except doing things to appease the fickle public that has a minimal grasp of what needs to be done.
Man, I love how some of you guys love to say straw man, fallacy, etc, etc. Especially when you do it incorrectly.
Some future physicians dislike the current version of the bill which serves to extend coverage to uninsured Americans, ergo, they are apposed to extending coverage to uninsured Americans.
Sorry bud, there's no fallacy there. Go read up on you ad hominens, false dilemnas, and any other fascinating logical fallacies that you can used in your pseudo-intellectual posts.
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http://masscare.org/ma-health-reform-law/cost-and-sustainability-of-ma-reform/
Interesting source from someone that agrees from the far left that it is underfunded.
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deleted249431
Insurance is just one part of the problem. Delivery of care is another huge problem that insurance portability wouldn't fix. Read some Atul Gawande articles in the New Yorker. He is a surgeon with great insight into this issue.
Nope ... it's a straw man.
what will this mean for gay marriage in mass
1. No tort reform in Senate or House version👎
2. Insurance companies can NOT compete across state lines. 👎
3. Lower Physician compensation 👎
BROWN wins!!! 🙂
btw....his daughter is a pre-med at some ny university. 👍
take that Pelosi
The one singing at the victory rally was pretty cute 👍
How has universal healthcare been working out in mass.? I really don't know much about it. Do people still pay for private insurance even thought the gov. provides it? How does the public plan reimburse physicians? Has it created long waiting lines? Does the public plan cover everything that the private plans cover?
I'm fine paying my fair share in taxes for covering the uninsured, I'm not fine with my profession bearing the entirety of those costs because everyone wants to vote to make everything free.
I love flipping between MSNBC and Fox News. Such a difference in attitudes.
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👍. Makes me wonder what they wrote on their med school personal statement?
" Dear XXXX School of Medicine:
My decision to become a doctor is because I want to treat the maimed and diseased as long as it does not affect my future plans of buying a Cadillac. That's a deal breaker to me. Too bad there are 46 million uninsured in this country. They are all illegal and should be deported. Doctors are supposed to only treat insured Americans. Medicine is a business not a calling! Screw Germany,Canada, Britain, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway...heck all of industrial Europe! They can all welcome the uninsured and illegals unabashedly! Screw them! This is America! Money, money, money!
Thank you."
take that Pelosi
pretty sure she's in the house, and scott brown's gonna be a senator 🙄
private insurance, public is only for those who can't afford it, if i know it correctly. last thing i read about the law was a physician survey in some journal that showed the docs were generally satisfied with it.
So was Scott Brown when he posed nude for cosmo
They were listing the candidate's past credentials on the news earlier and for Scott Brown it said:
Scott Brown:
-Voted sexiest man alive by Cosmo magazine in 1982
-Made an ad campaign based around his 2005 pick up trunk
I laughed out loud.
Nope... it's not. You can't throw that term around whenever someone refutes what you write. It's a bill for health care reform. Being against it means you're against what it proposes, which is health care reform.
No straw man there. It was probably wise of you to not go to law school.
Hahaha, seriously.
Thank god there are some people here who aren't completely motivated by self interest. Sadly, on SDN, the me me me entitlement crowd is the majority.
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Again. Jesus.
There is a fine line between being "completely motivated by self interest" and not wanting to barley be able to make ends meet once finally getting out of residency. Let's get real here.
Don't kid yourself. Medicine is merely a job. It is undoubtedly one with respect and prestige, but at the end of the day you are just a highly trained laborer. You should be compensated at a level equal to your training and supply/demand factors.
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