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Buffalo OMFS program closing.
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no-more-than-u
New Member
A dozen? Wow! Please share how you talked with no less than 12 residents and are now the local expert on the residency despite never actually going through it yourself? Very reliable.
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no-more-than-u
New Member
SDN is not the place for reliable advice. Visit programs for a week each, decide for yourself. The answer is not on a forum.
lol defensive much? I go to a cancer and trauma heavy program. I’ve “been through it.” My point is that many applicants don’t want that so programs like this are deemed less favorable by some
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no-more-than-u
New Member
Very defensive. Each person can choose what type of program they want to graduate from. Don’t generalize what “many applicants” want. Its comments like that which poison the minds of people that may do very well at a program like LSU.
Dentstudent10
New Member
Nobody is criticizing hard surgical training. Most OMFS applicants actively want heavy trauma, oncology, microvascular exposure, difficult call, and autonomy.
What people are criticizing is the idea that losing multiple noncats/residents, constant turnover, humiliation, and toxic culture should somehow be normalized as “the grind.” A strong program doesn’t need anonymous accounts aggressively insulting applicants, former trainees, and anyone raising concerns. The replies in this thread honestly say more than the original accusations ever did.
Also, calling every other program a “country club” because applicants value basic professionalism and decent leadership is exactly the kind of attitude people are warning others about.
I had heard LSU had a toxic reputation long before this thread, but honestly the responses here confirmed it for me. The entitlement, hostility, and arrogance in some of these replies are pretty telling. Plenty of elite trauma/cancer programs manage to produce excellent surgeons without creating a culture that burns people out or drives trainees away.
And interestingly, nobody defending the program ever addressed the middle-finger email that was posted by a resident. That silence probably said more than any anonymous angry SDN comment could.
What people are criticizing is the idea that losing multiple noncats/residents, constant turnover, humiliation, and toxic culture should somehow be normalized as “the grind.” A strong program doesn’t need anonymous accounts aggressively insulting applicants, former trainees, and anyone raising concerns. The replies in this thread honestly say more than the original accusations ever did.
Also, calling every other program a “country club” because applicants value basic professionalism and decent leadership is exactly the kind of attitude people are warning others about.
I had heard LSU had a toxic reputation long before this thread, but honestly the responses here confirmed it for me. The entitlement, hostility, and arrogance in some of these replies are pretty telling. Plenty of elite trauma/cancer programs manage to produce excellent surgeons without creating a culture that burns people out or drives trainees away.
And interestingly, nobody defending the program ever addressed the middle-finger email that was posted by a resident. That silence probably said more than any anonymous angry SDN comment could.
True, but they do say the school has moral and ethical obligation to help the residents transfer to another program.
DocHollidayDMD
New Member
Hence the humorous adjective. I’m fully aware of how information here is about as reliable as chatter in an Irish pub, but I’ll take anything I get at the least for my own entertainment given the sheer number of programs out there and the fact that I can only extern at 3-4.
no-more-than-u
New Member
Toxicity, humiliation, high turnover, etc. are not acceptable or tolerated at most programs in this country including LSU. This is an OLD narrative. Programs are modernizing with their residents and younger faculty. You are mistaken if you think that elite, “hard surgical training”, doesn’t come with long hours, big cases, heavy call, busy clinics, rigorous academics, discipline and high expectations. Do you think that every dentist that joins an OMS residency is equal? Do you think that it may be hard and “feel toxic” to the individuals that are more challenged, or to the extreme, may even be dangerous to patients?? Should everyone get continuous positive feedback to accompany poor performance or failing academics? If upholding and maintaining excellence is “toxic” and “malignant” then our time-honored specialty should go away. Super Dentists can take over, we can get rid of our MD’s, and our residencies will look like perio.
The fact that you THINK these replies are hostile, arrogant and entitled, shows your high level of sensitivity to adversity and criticism, and normal confrontation. Not everything in this world that is uncomfortable should be avoided. Not everything that is uncomfortable is negative or hostile. There are no trophies for participation and avoiding anything that “doesn’t feel good”. Adversity is what shapes people and surgeons and their ability to handle uncomfortable and even life-threatening situations.
no-more-than-u
New Member
I would pick programs that are geographically diverse, diverse in scope, and different in size. Don’t pick ones that seem similar. You want to see what the BIG differences are, not the nuance stuff. This may help you better decide on what TYPE of residencies to which you want to apply.
MandibleMD
New Member
Is it true LSU is getting rid of the 2027-2028 intern program and replacing them with NPs?
Welcome to the forums Dr. Jeffrey James, your subtle edit at 6 am did not go unnoticed. I went ahead and undid what you edited. We all saw the "Come to LSU".
Since you've addressed almost every comment so far, you seem to have chosen to ignore one, the middle finger.
Could you please address why you sent a middle finger emoji to one of your residents? You claim "Toxicity, humiliation, high turnover, etc. are not acceptable or tolerated at most programs in this country including LSU. This is an OLD narrative." yet your actions prove otherwise.
Looking forward to your response.
Dentstudent10
New Member
The irony is that nobody here is arguing against hard surgical training except the imaginary “soft applicant” strawman you keep inventing.
People are specifically talking about resident turnover, non-cats leaving(5 out of 6 !!!! LOL), humiliation, toxic culture, and professionalism. Yet every reply somehow turns into “you’re weak,” “you’re sensitive,” “real surgeons suffer,” or “maybe they were dangerous.” That mentality is exactly why certain programs develop the reputations they do.
Also, elite trauma/oncology programs across the country somehow manage to train outstanding surgeons without needing to constantly defend
themselves on SDN by insulting applicants and former trainees. Food for thought.
And honestly, the replies in this thread have done more damage to LSU’s reputation than any anonymous comment ever could. Applicants reading this can clearly see the arrogance, hostility, and superiority complex people have been warning about. If this is how people tied to the program behave publicly when criticized anonymously online, nobody should be shocked that residents burn out behind closed doors.
oh wait I do know what happens behind closed doors, you send middle fingers to your staff and residents.
whoever ranks/matches with your program must be pretty desperate to just be any kind of surgeon , NOLA is the worst southern program. WORST PROGRAM PERIOD.
