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Hi everyone,

Just posting here to get a little advice about applying to Anesthesia residencies in CA. My background: California native, go to a MidWest D.O. school, class rank 50th percentile, Step 1: 240. Is matching in CA doable? What are some things I can and should do to make myself competitive

Thanks in Advance

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Hi everyone,

Just posting here to get a little advice about applying to Anesthesia residencies in CA. My background: California native, go to a MidWest D.O. school, class rank 50th percentile, Step 1: 240. Is matching in CA doable? What are some things I can and should do to make myself competitive

Thanks in Advance
It will be tougher but not impossible, but you seriously want to return to a place with high taxes, wildfires, extreme government oversight, crippling cost of living on a resident salary? The south, midwest and even Arizona and Nevada are wide open and will be significantly easier on your paycheck and wallet and might I say state of mind, especially if you have any amount of debt.
 
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I suspect half of those 13 went to riverside (former DO) program as well
 
How competitive is anesthesia anyways these days?
Is it like IM where it's easy to get into a program, but hard to get into a very good program?
 
Thank you for all the replies!! Well I guess a 240 doesn’t get you very far these days. I’m not opposed to a residency elsewhere it’s just my family is there and well that’s where I want to be. I hope I’m one of those 13
 
A better question is, why would you want to live on a resident’s salary in California? Gross
Literally said the same thing LOL.... people are fleeing the state like never before . Absolute utter government incompetence simmilar to the lines to the NBOME..
 
I think you have a good shot OP with the 240 because you are from CA and have family here. Most of us from CA had to leave for medical school and most of us want to go back as soon as we can. GL.
People want to go back?
 
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I think you have a good shot OP with the 240 because you are from CA and have family here. Most of us from CA had to leave for medical school and most of us want to go back as soon as we can. GL.

Thank you for the kinds words. I'm wishing all the best for you!!
 
I'm a west coast DO that specifically wanted to leave the west coast for anesthesia residency. I'm at a strong academic program in the midwest and will likely return to the west coast when I graduate. Cost of living was def a factor for me and I'm happy I did it the way I did. Didn't even apply to west coast programs bc I didn't want to play that game.
 
Will this make CA programs (gas or not) less competitive overtime? It's true that a lot of OOS CA med students wants to return for residency.
 
Literally said the same thing LOL.... people are fleeing the state like never before . Absolute utter government incompetence simmilar to the lines to the NBOME..

"According to estimates by the California Department of Finance, California's population grew by 7.3% (or 2.7 million) from 2010 to the end of 2019; this rate is only slightly higher than the national rate of 6.3%"

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Current resident at Riverside county(Former DO program), I can sympathize with wanting to come back to California but it is not worth it if this program is your only choice. This program has been run into the ground by the PD and APD. We have heard some of the lies they have told candidates during the interview process from which we were excluded and we want our future colleagues knowing what they are getting into at Riverside County.
Starting with last year, the program knew in November that a new team of attendings would be coming in and the old ones that candidates grew to know and were recruited by would be leaving (Old group lost the contract). None of the potential candidates were told before or after match- just when they arrived to find a program with two groups fighting for power using the residents as their scapegoats (old group members vs new group members).
The education out of the OR is terrible, the attending led lectures are literally regurgitation from Miller's or a similar text given at a medical student level. The "High yield board review" is based on questions that are 20+ years old that the attending refuses to update ( unsurprisingly we are having trouble with passing boards and have very poor ITE scores).
In the OR, the attendings are barely present as it is all indirect supervision (including when we had INTERNS in rooms by themselves last year). The attendings spend their time gossiping in the fish bowel about how poor the residents are, shopping online, or sleeping (literally have an attending who brags about just coming into work to sleep). It is all self taught from day one which the program used to get away with because we had high volume and put in long OR hours but...
CRNAs are now manning the ORs taking procedure and good cases from residents which the APD is allowing.
The residents are all miserable because it is such a toxic culture to work in. The attendings routinely blame residents for complications despite their lack of supervision. If a resident speaks up, they can expect retaliation from the department.

If you think this is just one person who had a bad experience, take into account the acgme came for an unscheduled site visit due to the bad resident feedback on the annual survey as well as poor board pass rate. The APD labeled the residents as complainers to the acgme and the "changes" they implemented due to the survey were only on paper-nothing changed within the residency. For example, they told the acgme they would improve clinical didactics with teaching rounds. This consists of the attending handing out a random question with a written explanation to the residents in the OR- no further teaching points by the attending doing the "rounds"( with one exception). This has even proved to be too much for them at times, about half the time the attendings don't even hand out a question.

The repeat acgme survey will be given in the next month and the responses are going to be extremely poor again. Without significant change (removal of PD and/or APD), this program needs to just close so the residents can transfer to anesthesia programs where we will be appropriately trained. If you do rank the program high, be aware you could be coming into a program that will be put on probation after the acgme comes back with a decision.
Thank you for sharing your story and making us aware. I was curious about the Instagram page then? It seems to show residents and staff that are happy and doing well? Even one resident who graduated returned as an attending. Not trying to doubt you or be skeptical but as we haven’t had the in-person experience I’m just trying to make sense of everything. Thanks!
 
This is concerning to see. Seemed like a good former AOA program. Hopefully someone else can comment on this seeing as this persons account was created for this one comment.
 
Why was last year's match rate for DOs somewhat low? (78%) I had thought anesthesiology was more friendly to DOs.
 
Can DO students even match Gas with 210-215?
I know MD's can.
 
Apply,.... If you don't get in, just go to the best program you can get into and come back to work in CALI as an attending. I've been back to SO CAL for 15 years and don't regret it. I like nice cars... when I talk to my fellow attendings on the east coast, they have winterized their cars in storage. I'm still driving my Audi R8 V10 everyday. Just make sure you pay off your school loans and mortgage before you buy a supercar. Your Wife/Husband should be cool with you blowing $180,000 too..... You only live once
 

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