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is it really a big mistake for cutting the pectoralis muscles during dissection class?
coz one of the student found it hard to see the blood vessels clearly so he just cut the muscles (thats the only reason i think why he did it😀 )...
anyways the professor ended up scolding us all as fools and stupid dinguses!!!
and this all happened just in the third week of my college..
do the professors get this angry??🙁

 

[JustBreathe]

Our professor would never scold us for screwing something up. We've never done this before, and he realizes that. Sorry to hear about your situation.

 

[deuist]

I'm sure that the other side's pec muscle is still in good shape.

 

[dilated]

who cares? you can basically take a big crap on your cadaver and the prof is unlikely to care as long as there are a bunch of other cadavers where the structures are OK for the practical. especially pecs - somehow i don't see them being a practical question (although it would be nice...).

for your own education, it would be nice to preserve tricky things like nerves. if you can't find muscles, you've got bigger problems.

 

[Dr. McDreamy]

thank gawd for bilateral symmetry.

dude, the cadaver is already DEAD. it doesn't matter what you cut wrong.

 

[78222]

We chopped off part of the pec maj because it was in the way. No big deal.

 

[potato51]

I had trouble reflecting my guy's pec since he had a pacemaker right under (seemed too low on the body). Felt dumb when it took me so long to realize it.

 

[45408]

This is why God made us bilaterally symmetical. We're not graded at all in our lab, but it sure makes it easier to recognize labeled structures when you've dissected one.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Its no big deal. You're going to reflect them out anyway to get inside the thorax.

 

[Zargos]

I found an awesome cephalic vein on my dude today. I expect to see it on the lab practical Mr. Test fairy!

 

[78222]

The Cephalic should be pretty easy to find (not trying to be a jerk, just stating the facts).

 

[anon-y-mouse]

is it really a big mistake for cutting the pectoralis muscles during dissection class?
coz one of the student found it hard to see the blood vessels clearly so he just cut the muscles (thats the only reason i think why he did it😀 )...
anyways the professor ended up scolding us all as fools and stupid dinguses!!!
and this all happened just in the third week of my college..
do the professors get this angry??🙁

How could you cut the pecs? it's right there underneath!! what were you trying to see anyway?

also, the cephalic vein is pretty obvious...

I find that larger cadavers have better brachial plexi!

 

[dynx]

I'm sure that the other side's pec muscle is still in good shape.

Exactly.

If you were having trouble seeing other structures I think you did the RIGHT thing cutting the pec, you have another one to look at. Tell your prof to go F*ck himself (not really)

 

[logos]

Cut whatever you want. The cadavers are there for students to learn. We pretty frequently deviated from the dissector to see what we wanted to see.

 

[evade]

This is why God made us bilaterally symmetical.

This is also why God made superglue. 😉

Maybe we were the only ones who did this, but when we assed up our dissection (cut a nerve or vessel we didn't want to cut), we just glued it back together. Initially, our classmates thought we were nuts, but it really did help us visualize structures on our cadaver, and before we knew it, other groups were surreptitiously borrowing our glue!

Also, from time to time, when we had cut certain structures to get at deeper ones, our profs would glue things back together for the practical. They did that for the muscles of the eye. It really tripped people up, because they were relying on remembering what they had cut and NOT looking at the anatomical relationships!

 

[Izabelle]

It should be okay. We cut most of the branches of the brachial plexus on one side because we didn't know what the hell we were doing and we didn't get in trouble. Our professor was just like "you should think about where this was leading to. It was most likely to such and such, I would think." He looked at it as a learning experience. And he's one of the more staunch (scarier) professors at our school. Hey, we're not surgeons. We're not anatomy professors. Some of us (me) don't even know how to carve a turkey, let alone a human being, and while keeping nerves and arteries in tact. Come on!!! Your professor shouldn't be such a jerk about it. Tell him to get off your jock! Well, maybe not. But get off your own jock and look at someone else's cadaver...or the other side of yours.

Good Luck! I hope he lays off a bit.

 

[Church]

One of our groups totally hacked up the brachial plexus. That little 'M' was an I, or better described as an l... One of the anatomists blew up at them. Really, I mean I have hacked my share of nerves Not-Meant-To-Be-Hacked, but their cadaver looks like they dissected with a weedwhacker.

 

[indo]

We chopped off part of the pec maj because it was in the way. No big deal.

Hell yeah. I cut off all 4 pecs because there is no way in hell anyone is going to unable to identify the pecs or the nerves. Also, the pecs won't be on the lab exam. Too easy.

 

[jennben4]

Just be careful about hacking up the pecs toooo much. While they are unlikely to be tagged, if the relationships are in tact, you may get either the lateral or medial pectoral nerve as a nice freebie. 🙂

 

[indo]

Just be careful about hacking up the pecs toooo much. While they are unlikely to be tagged, if the relationships are in tact, you may get either the lateral or medial pectoral nerve as a nice freebie. 🙂

I just took my first lab exam and the Pec Major and the medial nerve were both tagged. Nice! I guess it is a good thing somebody else left a pec intact.

 

[78222]

I just took my first lab exam and the Pec Major and the medial nerve were both tagged. Nice! I guess it is a good thing somebody else left a pec intact.

No frickin way? Pec major and Medial n. ? I want to transfer schools!

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

One of our groups totally hacked up the brachial plexus. That little 'M' was an I, or better described as an l... One of the anatomists blew up at them. Really, I mean I have hacked my share of nerves Not-Meant-To-Be-Hacked, but their cadaver looks like they dissected with a weedwhacker.

Yeah, I sliced the crap out of mine trying to be all fancy with deviating from the dissector. The professor came up to our group and said "it looks like somebody cut this with their eyes closed!" Needless to say, my future aspirations as a surgeon plummeted rock bottom that day. My confidence came back though with some fairly textbook dissections of the flexor and extensor compartments of the forearm, yeah baby yeah

 

[dynx]

Yeah, I sliced the crap out of mine trying to be all fancy with deviating from the dissector. The professor came up to our group and said "it looks like somebody cut this with their eyes closed!" Needless to say, my future aspirations as a surgeon plummeted rock bottom that day. My confidence came back though with some fairly textbook dissections of the flexor and extensor compartments of the forearm, yeah baby yeah

textbook can be accidental. We had to remove the skull form C1..a tough angle on our lady and we were a little inpatient that day so we gripped the skull under the jaw, the lady by her shoulders and ripped the head off instead of "dissecting" it. The damn thing came apart perfect in about 1/2 a second. The prof. was amazed at how fast we had gotten it done and told other groups that ours was exactly what the cadaver should look like (with all anatomical relations inplace) when they were done.

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

textbook can be accidental. We had to remove the skull form C1..a tough angle on our lady and we were a little inpatient that day so we gripped the skull under the jaw, the lady by her shoulders and ripped the head off instead of "dissecting" it. The damn thing came apart perfect in about 1/2 a second. The prof. was amazed at how fast we had gotten it done and told other groups that ours was exactly what the cadaver should look like (with all anatomical relations inplace) when they were done.

Textbook decapitation... that's awesome

 

[socal1015]

We were trying to rotate the thigh laterally in order to pop the hip joint out of the acetabulum but we ended up snapping the femur in half! It made the loudest sound ever and everyone in the lab came to see what we had done. The prof was actually amazed at what we were able to do.

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

The prof was actually amazed at what we were able to do.

Is it just me, or do anatomy profs seem more excited in the gross lab than the students?!?! We had an an anomaly in one of our cadavers (there seemed to be a thrid head of the triceps brachii) and the prof went nuts examining it, just totally taking over the body from the poor group until he came to the conclusion that it was not a third head at all, but rather an extension from the brachialis muscle deep to the biceps. The look of exhaustion on the prof's face when he was done was priceless.

 

[BaylorGuy]

Is it just me, or do anatomy profs seem more excited in the gross lab than the students?!?! We had an an anomaly in one of our cadavers (there seemed to be a thrid head of the triceps brachii) and the prof went nuts examining it, just totally taking over the body from the poor group until he came to the conclusion that it was not a third head at all, but rather an extension from the brachialis muscle deep to the biceps. The look of exhaustion on the prof's face when he was done was priceless.

No it happens, we've got an old retired pathology prof (i would say at least 85) who comes into the anatomy lab and help us students just because he wants to. He doesn't get paid or anything, but wants to help the students and see some crazy pathology.

on the crazy pathology note, apparently, my cadaver had some major ortho work done on her back...basically, it seems that they did a pediclectomy on her lumbar region and basically constructed her a new back...it looks like a scaffolding. We still haven't figured out why exactly she had it done and some of the pathologists/anatomists are lost as well. our only guess is that she must have had back pain so severe that they removed her in order to relieve the pressure. we dont know for sure, but once we get to the abdomen i'll give you all the update.