Cali students screwed

[tony24]

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I think California students are at a disadvantage. We are the most populous state and have the hardest dental schools to get into. UCLA, UCSF, UOP are perhaps the toughest programs to gain admittance. To get into Loma Linda, you have to be a SDA member or have outrageous stats. That just leaves us with USC, which is a private school. Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools, we have to be the cream of the crop.

 

[thefifthbeatle]

what about people in wyoming? they probably have to drive 4 hours to take the dat!!

 

[electron]

same with UW. Its harsh...

 

[z3u2]

I think California students are at a disadvantage. We are the most populous state and have the hardest dental schools to get into. UCLA, UCSF, UOP are perhaps the toughest programs to gain admittance. To get into Loma Linda, you have to be a SDA member or have outrageous stats. That just leaves us with USC, which is a private school. Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools, we have to be the cream of the crop.

people sometimes don't realize the kind of "advantages" they have and only see the bad side

 

[LaEzEnT]

people sometimes don't realize the kind of "advantages" they have and only see the bad side

oh really..., perhaps you see an advantage side that you'll share with us?

 

[z3u2]

oh really..., perhaps you see an advantage side that you'll share with us?

the exact same statement from the original OP can be interpreted from the opposite point of view

Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools

there's some states that don't have any dental schools, who are they competing with? How about international students trying to apply to US schools?

As the OP suggested, California is a high populated state, but the OP also realized that they have 4 dental schools, which should balance out somewhat!?

Not saying who has the most advantage over the other.
but there's so many factors that should be considered if you want to talk about fairness. The reasonings from the OP is just too weak to to conclude "Cali students are screwed".

 

[z3u2]

the point is
in the world today
if u find urself in a disadvantage against someone else
you can almost always find more people who have even more disadvantages than you do.

the "glass is half full" and "glass is half empty" story?

 

[tony24]

The point I'm trying to make is that even though California has the most dental schools in the US, it also has the most applicants and is probably the hardest to get into. Thus, if you are an average to above average applicant, the chances of acceptance into a CA state dental school is essentially limited to USC, a private school. Look at Texas, they have around 3-4 dental schools and they accept a total of 5-10 out of state applicants. Even though CA has many dental schools, CA residents really don't have an in-state advantage unless your stats are top notch. Thus, for the thousands of CA applicants with a 3.4 GPA and 20 DAT score, our best chances for admittance is USC and other private schools. Also, I would also like to mention that the WICHE states (Wyoming, Utah, etc) have agreements with some dental schools (ex: Creighton) to accept a certain amount of students from those states. Thing is, I think it's little unfair to be in a disadvantaged position due to where you live because it is out of your control. You could move, but come on, how feasible is that?

 

[z3u2]

. Thing is, I think it's little unfair to be in a disadvantaged position due to where you live because it is out of your control.

i agree
but that's life
and stastically
on average, schools in california do not have the highest entrance gpa, dat score, number of applicants, and most importantly, number of applicants per seat (not no. of school), or number of state residents per seat.

Califorinia applicants are already at a more advantageous position than many others. Again, you see a glass half full of milk, u can be grateful, or you see a glass half empty, u can complain.

 

[dddoch]

I think California students are at a disadvantage. We are the most populous state and have the hardest dental schools to get into. UCLA, UCSF, UOP are perhaps the toughest programs to gain admittance. To get into Loma Linda, you have to be a SDA member or have outrageous stats. That just leaves us with USC, which is a private school. Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools, we have to be the cream of the crop.

disgusting reasoning

 

[whoaaitzkyle]

I actually agree with the OP.

I want to go to any Texas Dental School...but they favor texas residents. predents.com said they had 2 out of state and 89 in-state people in their 2007 entering class.

I wanted to go to Florida but they also accept in-state primarily.

UC's have the most applicants and it isn't as easy to get in just because you're a california resident. The quality of education at a UC isn't even that good compared to some of the east coast dental schools and it's still so tough to get in. California is a desirable state...who wouldn't want to go here? Yea, we have an advantage for those states that don;t have dental schools but it kind of sucks being in a state where there is the most competition for dental schools 🙁 You'd hope since you are fortunate enough to live in a state with a dental school that you'd get an upper hand such as Texas and Florida residents.

 

[jackbauer!]

I think California students are at a disadvantage. We are the most populous state and have the hardest dental schools to get into. UCLA, UCSF, UOP are perhaps the toughest programs to gain admittance. To get into Loma Linda, you have to be a SDA member or have outrageous stats. That just leaves us with USC, which is a private school. Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools, we have to be the cream of the crop.

you sound like michael moore, waaa waaaa waaaaaaa :cry:

if you don't like the system, maybe you should move to cuba where you would certainly have a better chance of getting in!

jb!🙂

 

[thefifthbeatle]

^^ 0.0 sense..i bet you haven't even seen the movie

 

[clickytop]

Life ain't fair. BYU and Utah consistently churn out some of the top applicants every cycle, and they're all stuck paying out of state or private tuition for 4 years.

 

[diane07]

Some states don't even have a dental school.

CA has 4 dental schools.

So getting into dental school is competitive. You probably won't get a lot of sympathy because all the other predents feel like they too face tough competition.

 

[DrSmiles12]

THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING!! I HAD TO DRIVE 5 HOURS JUST TO TAKE THE DAT AND NOW I HAVE TO PAY OVER 500 BUCKS TO FLY TO MY INTERVIEW AT CASE, IF I DROVE THERE IT WOULD BE LIKE 30 HOURS TO GET THERE. MY STATE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A DENTAL SCHOOL THATS CLOSER THAN 10 HOURS AWAY!!! TRY THAT ON FOR SIZE! YOU THINK YOUR AT A DISADVANTAGE!!!! HA HA HA HA FACT IS THAT D-SCHOOL IS JUST COMPETETIVE!!!

 

[tony24]

you sound like michael moore, waaa waaaa waaaaaaa :cry:

if you don't like the system, maybe you should move to cuba where you would certainly have a better chance of getting in!

jb!🙂

I didn't intend for my statement to come off as whining, but if it does so be it. Like I said, where you live is basically out of your control. I say its mainly out of your control because most students grow up where there parents are, and thus go to high school and college in their home town. It's not easy to just move to another state, establish residency, wait a year and then apply. Of course, nothing is stopping us from getting a high GPA and DAT score. But the bottom line is that the majority of CA applicants don't have those ridiculous stats that schools like UCSF, UCLA, and UOP favor. I'm fortunate to live in CA and love living here. I am not a pessimistic person. The only downside, and I repeat, the only downside is that we don't have a real in-state advantage compared to most other states. That's all. Everything else, I feel fortunate about.

 

[jackbauer!]

I didn't intend for my statement to come off as whining, but if it does so be it. Like I said, where you live is basically out of your control. I say its mainly out of your control because most students grow up where there parents are, and thus go to high school and college in their home town. It's not easy to just move to another state, establish residency, wait a year and then apply. Of course, nothing is stopping us from getting a high GPA and DAT score. But the bottom line is that the majority of CA applicants don't have those ridiculous stats that schools like UCSF, UCLA, and UOP favor. I'm fortunate to live in CA and love living here. I am not a pessimistic person. The only downside, and I repeat, the only downside is that we don't have a real in-state advantage compared to most other states. That's all. Everything else, I feel fortunate about.

my post was pure sarcasm..

but anyways, your not going to gain much sympathy around here--you're preaching to the choir. although your state has a high population doesn't necessarily guarantee a high pre-dental population per capita. as others have stated, consider yourself lucky to have state SCHOOLS. many do not.

jb!🙂

 

[sm1nty]

my post was pure sarcasm..

but anyways, your not going to gain much sympathy around here--you're preaching to the choir. although your state has a high population doesn't necessarily guarantee a high pre-dental population per capita. as others have stated, consider yourself lucky to have state SCHOOLS. many do not.

jb!🙂

exactly.
geez.

 

[Revellian]

The quality of education at a UC isn't even that good compared to some of the east coast dental schools and it's still so tough to get in.

Could you elaborate on this? In what regards do you feel UCLA and UCSF offer an inferior education to east coast schools? I haven't heard this before.

The only downside, and I repeat, the only downside is that we don't have a real in-state advantage compared to most other states.

Both UCs offer about 80% of their spots to in-state applicants. Is the problem that you feel this percentage should be higher?

Presently, there are 16 states without a single dental school. As others have stated, you have a great advantage coming from a state that has two public schools that give priority to in-state applicants, as well as three private schools. Sure, you may not have it as good as the applicants in Georgia or Mississippi, but you have it pretty damned good.

 

[PChemGrad]

Tony get over it. Go experience a different part of the US for a change. We get it, you like California, but there is soo much more to the US. You can go to a school in a different state. You are complaining about acceptance to dental school in Cali is limited to cream of the crop. What is wrong with that, those people that were accepted worked hard and will hopefully become great dentist. Dentistry isn't for the dumb and narrow minded, you need to have skill and a desire to work your butt off and show you can hack it.

A lot of students today think that if they cant make the grades as a pre-med they will go to dental school because its "easier." That may have been the case in the past but now that has changed. Students are figuring out that they want to become dentist and are working hard to become one. We are no longer pre-med dropouts, most of us knew we wanted to become dentist early on.


Life is not fair. you will always get screwed over by the system. your lifes dream can only be accomplished with hard work and perseverance. If you want it hard enough you will find a way.

So stop b*tching about how hard it is getting into a school in Cali, and how USC is your only option, there are many more schools in the US you can go to, but by the sound of it, you think your too good for them, so I dont think they would take you. In the off chance you do, you can move back to Cali when your done.

Schools take the best they can, and unfortunately that doesnt sound like its you. Work hard prove us wrong, but dont complain that there are no options out there for you.

 

[tony24]

Could you elaborate on this? In what regards do you feel UCLA and UCSF offer an inferior education to east coast schools? I haven't heard this before.



Both UCs offer about 80% of their spots to in-state applicants. Is the problem that you feel this percentage should be higher?

Presently, there are 16 states without a single dental school. As others have stated, you have a great advantage coming from a state that has two public schools that give priority to in-state applicants, as well as three private schools. Sure, you may not have it as good as the applicants in Georgia or Mississippi, but you have it pretty damned good.

The point I'm trying to make is that those schools are extremely difficult to get into even if we are a resident. As a result, the great majority of average to above average students in CA have the best chance of getting into USC. Look at New York. They have 4 dental schools and 2 out of those 4 schools heavily favor in-state applicants. More importantly, those 2 schools (Stony Brook and Buffalo) are not as competitive as UCLA, UCSF, and UOP. Texas has 3 dental schools, and they accept a grand total of around 2 out of state applicants. In addition, the WICHE program is an agreement to set aside a certain number of seats for those states that don't have a dental school. And realistically speaking, how many North Dakota, Alaska, etc. predents are out there? And if you were a member of the admissions committee and you had to choose between two identical applicants the only difference being that one is from CA and the other is from Montana, who would you choose? You would choose the Montana candidate for diversity purposes. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'm willing to bet that CA has the most applicants.

 

[PDizzle]

I can speak for all CA schools and the trick is not high stats or a list of extra curics that would put you on every other page in your school yearbook!


The secret??

Being dead sexy baby!!!!!!!!!

Or at least walking into your interview thinking you are!

 

[tony24]

So stop b*tching about how hard it is getting into a school in Cali, and how USC is your only option, there are many more schools in the US you can go to, but by the sound of it, you think your too good for them, so I dont think they would take you. In the off chance you do, you can move back to Cali when your done.

Schools take the best they can, and unfortunately that doesnt sound like its you. Work hard prove us wrong, but dont complain that there are no options out there for you.[/quote]

I never said I was too good for other schools nor was it my intention to come across that way. I will happily go wherever they accept me. The reason I post this is because I am a reapplicant. I applied last year with a 3.48 GPA and 22/23/17 DAT score and did not even get one single interview. Trust me, I did not slack off in undergrad and studied like no other for the DAT. I felt like I tried my best, but it obviously wasn't good enough. Thus, after dropping almost a grand on apps and supp fees and not getting one interview, I feel bummed. I guess I was just venting, looking for someone to blame. But in the end, I should have scored higher on the PAT, but I feel like my stats were good enough to at least get one interview.

 

[PDizzle]

So stop b*tching about how hard it is getting into a school in Cali, and how USC is your only option, there are many more schools in the US you can go to, but by the sound of it, you think your too good for them, so I dont think they would take you. In the off chance you do, you can move back to Cali when your done.

Schools take the best they can, and unfortunately that doesnt sound like its you. Work hard prove us wrong, but dont complain that there are no options out there for you.

I never said I was too good for other schools nor was it my intention to come across that way. I will happily go wherever they accept me. The reason I post this is because I am a reapplicant. I applied last year with a 3.48 GPA and 22/23/17 DAT score and did not even get one single interview. Trust me, I did not slack off in undergrad and studied like no other for the DAT. I felt like I tried my best, but it obviously wasn't good enough. Thus, after dropping almost a grand on apps and supp fees and not getting one interview, I feel bummed. I guess I was just venting, looking for someone to blame. But in the end, I should have scored higher on the PAT, but I feel like my stats were good enough to at least get one interview.[/QUOTE]


Doesn't really matter now but did you apply late?? Those stats were competitive last year. At least to get a damn interview!!

 

[tony24]

I never said I was too good for other schools nor was it my intention to come across that way. I will happily go wherever they accept me. The reason I post this is because I am a reapplicant. I applied last year with a 3.48 GPA and 22/23/17 DAT score and did not even get one single interview. Trust me, I did not slack off in undergrad and studied like no other for the DAT. I felt like I tried my best, but it obviously wasn't good enough. Thus, after dropping almost a grand on apps and supp fees and not getting one interview, I feel bummed. I guess I was just venting, looking for someone to blame. But in the end, I should have scored higher on the PAT, but I feel like my stats were good enough to at least get one interview.

Doesn't really matter now but did you apply late?? Those stats were competitive last year. At least to get a damn interview!![/quote]

I applied late July and took my DAT early September. Hope I can get that interview and look "sexy" enough to wow the committee.

 

[keibee82]

I can speak for all CA schools and the trick is not high stats or a list of extra curics that would put you on every other page in your school yearbook!


The secret??

Being dead sexy baby!!!!!!!!!

Or at least walking into your interview thinking you are!

OH yea~ 😎

 

[PChemGrad]

I applied last year with a 3.48 GPA and 22/23/17 DAT score and did not even get one single interview. Trust me, I did not slack off in undergrad and studied like no other for the DAT. I felt like I tried my best, but it obviously wasn't good enough. Thus, after dropping almost a grand on apps and supp fees and not getting one interview, I feel bummed. I guess I was just venting, looking for someone to blame. But in the end, I should have scored higher on the PAT, but I feel like my stats were good enough to at least get one interview.

Just sounds like you applied late, is all. your grades and DAT look good enough for an interview somewhere.

you should have better luck this year.

 

[Revellian]

The point I'm trying to make is that those schools are extremely difficult to get into even if we are a resident. As a result, the great majority of average to above average students in CA have the best chance of getting into USC. Look at New York. They have 4 dental schools and 2 out of those 4 schools heavily favor in-state applicants. More importantly, those 2 schools (Stony Brook and Buffalo) are not as competitive as UCLA, UCSF, and UOP. Texas has 3 dental schools, and they accept a grand total of around 2 out of state applicants. In addition, the WICHE program is an agreement to set aside a certain number of seats for those states that don't have a dental school. And realistically speaking, how many North Dakota, Alaska, etc. predents are out there? And if you were a member of the admissions committee and you had to choose between two identical applicants the only difference being that one is from CA and the other is from Montana, who would you choose? You would choose the Montana candidate for diversity purposes. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'm willing to bet that CA has the most applicants.

Without a doubt, Texas gives in-state applicants more of an advantage than California does for in-state applicants, but you are cherry-picking states to support your argument. The vast majority of applicants are not coming from states like Texas that give such an overwhelming advantage. Buffalo, by the way, gives close to 50% of their seats to out-of-state applicants and Stony Brook is extremely competetive with an average entering GPA of 3.7 and DAT of 21. New Yorkers seem to me to be in a similar situation to Californians.

I understand what you're saying, I just think you're overstating the problem. Yes, it's more difficult, on average, to gain admission to a California dental school. But I don't know that the difference is as significant as what you're saying. For 2006, nationwide dental enrollees had 3.52 GPA, 19.4 DAT, and 18.5 PAT. This is compared to California enrollees that had 3.47 GPA, 20.6 DAT, and 19.5 PAT. California is competetive, but not a whole lot more when compared nationally.

Good luck this cycle. You'll definitely score some interviews. I can't imagine you not gaining admittance to a California school with your GPA and DAT. If you're applying to UCLA and have any questions about the school, feel free to PM me.

 

[bruinpredent]

The quality of education at a UC isn't even that good compared to some of the east coast dental schools and it's still so tough to get in.

Dude, what in the world are you talking about? You're saying that UCLA and UCSF's dental programs are inferior to east coast schools?

honestly? you do realize that UCSF and UCLA are some of the strongest programs in the nation and have some of the HIGHEST board score averages. IF anything I’d go so far as to say that these programs are on par with the likes of Harvard, Columbia, and Upenn, hence the competition and hence the sort of high caliber students they attract and admit.

that’s a pretty bold statement to be making there man...

 

[makushin]

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[tony24]

I live in Alaska. I have to pay out of state tuition and drive 3000 miles to reach the nearest dental school. And my state doesn't even give the wiche grants anymore. I'm applying to 3 schools in CA. Get over it.

I feel for you. Good luck on your apps.

 

[whoaaitzkyle]

Well, I'm not speaking from experience (so I haven't done my research). I'm not sure if it's correct but both my oral surgeons I worked for (one was admissions board for UCLA dental school), my TMJ specialist (yes, I have TMJ), and my general dentist had around the same general response regarding CA dental schools. To be honest, I'd love to go to a california dental school because in my opinion and dental school is a dental school there is no "better" one. They just told me the quality of education has gone down since their days. I still love being in Cali and would love to stay in the bay area by going to UCSF but I also take into consideration SF is probably the highest percentage city where your patients are going to be coming in with HIV. I don't mean to offend anyone but just thought I'd add to the thread b/c that's what I heard. Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[ucla2134]

I think California students are at a disadvantage. We are the most populous state and have the hardest dental schools to get into. UCLA, UCSF, UOP are perhaps the toughest programs to gain admittance. To get into Loma Linda, you have to be a SDA member or have outrageous stats. That just leaves us with USC, which is a private school. Not trying to diss the non-cali state applicants. But for us to get into our own state schools, we have to be the cream of the crop.

The predent just upgrade their stats. All the school for Cali now their average GPA is 3.60 and the DAT average is 19+

 

[dddoch]

The predent just upgrade their stats. All the school for Cali now their average GPA is 3.55 and the DAT average is 19+
I'm really depressed

Why does that depress you? Most of the dental schools these days have stats like that or higher.

 

[UOP_Dentist]

Wow!!!!

i feel for all of you. i really do.

I never thought dental school would be this competitive to get into nowadays, to the point that a person with 3.5 GPA and 20's on the DATs got rejected.

However, i'm excited that the future of dentistry will be stocked by intelligent pillars of the community.

 

[ucla2134]

Why does that depress you? Most of the dental schools these days have stats like that or higher.[/QUOTe

Predent says that the average to get into UCLA dental school now is 3.6. UCSF is higher than that. That is just the AVERAGE. It means you must have higher than 3.6 GPA to be considered getting accepted.I know that they will consider other factors but the reality is good grade helps you make the first cut. Of course i have an average stats (3.4sci/ 3.45) but i don't think i am good enough for any Cali schools.
That is the reason im depressed. I havent take DAT yet so i will study my a** off

 

[Revellian]

They just told me the quality of education has gone down since their days.

Ah, the old-timer complex: "Back when I was in dental school we had to cast all of our own crowns, process all of our dentures, mix amalgam between our butt-cheeks, and trudge through four miles of snow every morning." I would take their advice with a grain of salt. It's hard to judge the quality of education at a dental school unless you're either 1) a clinical instructor at the school, or 2) a current dental student. Oral surgeons and oral facial pain specialists would have no clue what's going on in the general clinic at UCLA for example. I would advise predents to talk to current 3rd or 4th year students in order to find out what kind of education they are receiving. Even as a new grad, my opinions about UCLA are becoming dated because the curriculum is constantly changing.

 

[rimmies]

I think it's great that dental school is becoming more difficult to get into. Dentistry isn't communications, general studies, or basket weaving. By choosing to become a dentist you choose to be "the cream of the crop." Raising the bar via more stringent admission standards,even if those standards are driven by competition alone-is good for the dental community at large. There are many like myself who knew that we wanted to be dentists from the start and then worked our tails off to get there. Yes, others may have decided to choose post graduate studies after a poor start, and those actions may preclude them from acceptance; however, others made the grades despite choosing a career yet-and the option is still open to them.
Florida was mentioned as a state that has it easy, as a Florida resident I'd like to comment. Florida has 2 dental schools, UF and NOVA. Most would agree that nova is not in the realm of the more difficult schools to gain acceptance to, of course-the same is true for out of staters as nova takes both in relatively equal amounts. UF on the other hand is difficult for even Florida residents to get into-and this is our only state school choice!
So, the summary of those so many words is this: get the grades...and if you don't, can't, or won't-then perhaps dental school isn't for you.

 

[UOP_Dentist]

get the grades...and if you don't, can't, or won't-then perhaps dental school isn't for you.

I like this. This sums it up.

 

[lifeisgood]

Funny story. I got into UCLA in early December yet I was rejected by USC pretty late in the game. I think it's relevant to this thread because it was previously mentioned that USC is the easiest CA school to get into and I have a 3.99/4.03 (AADSAS GPA) and a 25/23/24 DAT. UCLA was my first choice though so it's no big deal.

 

[dudewhensmydat]

Your mentality is dangerous to your success; Unfortunately, I used to have the same mentality and I didn't get into D-school the first time. Focus on what you can do to get to where you want to be...and get-ur done, son!!!

 

[blasterx]

I actually agree with the OP.

I want to go to any Texas Dental School...but they favor texas residents. predents.com said they had 2 out of state and 89 in-state people in their 2007 entering class.

I wanted to go to Florida but they also accept in-state primarily.

UC's have the most applicants and it isn't as easy to get in just because you're a california resident. The quality of education at a UC isn't even that good compared to some of the east coast dental schools and it's still so tough to get in. California is a desirable state...who wouldn't want to go here? Yea, we have an advantage for those states that don;t have dental schools but it kind of sucks being in a state where there is the most competition for dental schools 🙁 You'd hope since you are fortunate enough to live in a state with a dental school that you'd get an upper hand such as Texas and Florida residents.

Florida is actually one of the harder state schools to get into. Even for us Florida residents. 🙁

 

[armorshell]

Dude, what in the world are you talking about? You're saying that UCLA and UCSF's dental programs are inferior to east coast schools?

honestly? you do realize that UCSF and UCLA are some of the strongest programs in the nation and have some of the HIGHEST board score averages. IF anything I’d go so far as to say that these programs are on par with the likes of Harvard, Columbia, and Upenn, hence the competition and hence the sort of high caliber students they attract and admit.

that’s a pretty bold statement to be making there man...

This guy is on crack. UCSF is a pillar of the biomedical science community, in every single field it offers. UCLA is is one of the "Ivies of the West."

The things some people will do to make them feel better about themselves.

 

[pine88]

WICHE students are considered only AFTER instate students and they don't guarantee each state a number of spots. (And Creighton does not participate in WICHE).
That sucks that you didn't get an interview, your scores definitely sound competitive, but in my opinion having state schools is better than not having state schools. Even at UoP, which is private, the first year class is 70% Californians.

Plus you don't have to spend a minimum of $500 per interview just to get there.

Good luck

 

[Robert Paulsen]

Here's an advantage Cali residents have that almost no one else has: Cali is such an expensive place to live that you can go to private school in another state and in the end it won't cost you any more than it would have if you had gone to a state school in Cali. Your living expenses will be so much lower almost anywhere else the higher tuition of a private school won't matter much.

Quit your whining.

RP

 

[jza70]

Your mentality is dangerous to your success; Unfortunately, I used to have the same mentality and I didn't get into D-school the first time. Focus on what you can do to get to where you want to be...and get-ur done, son!!!

What did you do to get in the 2nd time around retake your DAT? What was your gpa if you don't mine me asking.

 

[dudewhensmydat]

Your mentality is dangerous to your success; Unfortunately, I used to have the same mentality and I didn't get into D-school the first time. Focus on what you can do to get to where you want to be...and get-ur done, son!!!

For everyone's information, the quote above was in reference to the OP comment.

 

[dudewhensmydat]

What did you do to get in the 2nd time around retake your DAT? What was your gpa if you don't mine me asking.

Buckled down, moved away from home, got rid of the tv, bought: Achiever, Topscore, Destroyer, Schaum's, and perused the DAT forum on this website.😀

 

[lifeisgood]

Your mentality is dangerous to your success; Unfortunately, I used to have the same mentality and I didn't get into D-school the first time. Focus on what you can do to get to where you want to be...and get-ur done, son!!!

This is more true than you know. The right attitude and thought process are vital for success. Think you are going to fail and you will. Know you are going to succeed and guess what, you will.

Good luck to all applying this year. 👍