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The money to cover all these illegals has to come from somewhere. It will come from pockets; yours and mine
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The money to cover all these illegals has to come from somewhere. It will come from pockets; yours and mine
And Obamacare changes this...how?
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While many as you know are already accessing Medicaid and free school lunches and, if you work in a border state, you'd have experience with the collapse of the hospital system, not to mention the squeeze on our schools, parks, traffic, crime, pollution etc,
According to its marketing the whole point of Obamacare is to extend insurance to all these millions who supposedly have no access. We are meant to take away that it will help us poor citizens, and of course everyone's costs will magically be cheaper, but consider that, if we really are adding millions who were previously not accessing the money pot, then naturally costs will be higher, as these millions are obviously not paying for themselves.
Therefore despite us already paying for other people, with Obamacare we will be paying for even more people.
Even with potential higher patient volume, they would merely be paying us with our own tax money. We are fortunate in being one of the professions to recoup some of that money, but that still means we are working for free.
I will be no slave
It also begs the question: can we maintain a first world nation, with underpaid, overworked, depressed fertility citizens, supporting a burdening fecund population with dubious ability? Will the superrich care about maintaining infrastructure and good standards for the proles, when they will always be able to afford the best, in healthcare, homes, and security, no matter how dire the situation of the country?
Perhaps they won't. And why should they. But what it will mean is a Brazil like situation, with vast favelas of crime, necessitating an entire police force of SWAT, corruption, apathy, and mediocrity endemic throughout society, dependence on the first world for civilizational and technological advance. Except we are the first world
In 2014, Walgreens will use a 'Corporate Health Exchange' http://aonhewittcorporateexchange.com/ where employees will get to choose their insurance plan from any company on the exchange, but Walgreens will only provide a 'shopping credit' or voucher towards the cost of it. I think the credit will be enough to avoid any ACA penalty, but will only increase with inflation, so it will not keep up with health care costs if they continue increasing at their present rate.
The corporate exchange is not the same as an ACA exchange, but they follow the same plan structure anyway. The plans on the corporate exchange still apply group insurance rates.
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I am really confused by this "they will pay the penalty" thinking. There is currently no penalty and companies still provide insurance, right? So how will adding a penalty make companies choose to pay that rather than offer insurance? What am I missing (probably a lot, lol)?
The US isn't that close yet...but median incomes keep decreasing.
Eventually the people will go all French Revolution on the plutocracy. Unless America is soft.
Its not simple to do, but there is a simple reason behind all of this.
Republicans and Democrats (Americans) will benefit from removing "BIG" money from politics. Until this is done, we are all just going to continue to swirl in the flushing toilet that is our current American society.
This is another bubble that will eventually burst. Americans are getting fed up and something will be done about it. It's only a matter of time.
Yup.
http://money.msn.com/now/congressman-laments-dollar172000-salary
"Gingrey made the comments during a discussion about an Obamacare rule requiring congressional staffers to buy their health insurance in the exchange markets.The Office of Personnel Management has said that the government can continue to contribute money to the health care premiums of Congress and their aides, but critics have deplored what they see as special treatment.
In the closed-door session, lawmakers discussed reversing the ruling. Some were uncomfortable doing so. Rep. Joe Barton of Texas said the change would cost him $12,000. "That's a burden. And it's a burden on our staff, too," he said, according to National Review Online.
Really? Does this dumb ass think it won't be a burden on every citizen? What a freaking joke. These are the people who supposedly represent us.
"Gingrey made the comments during a discussion about an Obamacare rule requiring congressional staffers to buy their health insurance in the exchange markets.The Office of Personnel Management has said that the government can continue to contribute money to the health care premiums of Congress and their aides, but critics have deplored what they see as special treatment.
In the closed-door session, lawmakers discussed reversing the ruling. Some were uncomfortable doing so. Rep. Joe Barton of Texas said the change would cost him $12,000. "That's a burden. And it's a burden on our staff, too," he said, according to National Review Online.
Really? Does this dumb ass think it won't be a burden on every citizen? What a freaking joke. These are the people who supposedly represent us.
Don't input any info on the Obamacare website until more is known. This could be a tragic trap for those that do. There is alot more in the ACA than healthcare.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts_10022013
"Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan's full Facebook post reads;
"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable."
I went to the healthcare.gov and was immediately turned off by having to open an account before getting a menu of plan options. I'm afraid by opting out you are under Roman Law acknowledging you are subject to any penalties for non-compliance. I would wait until more is known before registering.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts_10022013
"Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan's full Facebook post reads;
"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable."
I went to the healthcare.gov and was immediately turned off by having to open an account before getting a menu of plan options. I'm afraid by opting out you are under Roman Law acknowledging you are subject to any penalties for non-compliance. I would wait until more is known before registering.
This forum isn't even becoming stupider by the day anymore. We are officially in stupider by the minute territory.
Take a look at this monstrosity of a rule change. Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare. It's a cover for wealth confiscation and the enslavement of all of us.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2013-21157.pdf
This communism in all its naked aggression: "Under the Affordable Care Act, the Federal government, State governments, insurers, employers, and individuals are given shared responsibility to reform and improve the availability, quality, and affordability of health insurance coverage in the United States."
This is bullcrap. If this isn't defeated there will be civil strife, civil rebellion, blood in the streets.
Remember Joe Stack. He was just the first kernel to pop.
Congress has to stop this ACA, Republican and Democrat alike. Even if it means we default Oct 18. We're going to default anyway, let's get it over with!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2013-21157.pdf
This communism in all its naked aggression: "Under the Affordable Care Act, the Federal government, State governments, insurers, employers, and individuals are given shared responsibility to reform and improve the availability, quality, and affordability of health insurance coverage in the United States."
This is bullcrap. If this isn't defeated there will be civil strife, civil rebellion, blood in the streets.
Remember Joe Stack. He was just the first kernel to pop.
Congress has to stop this ACA, Republican and Democrat alike. Even if it means we default Oct 18. We're going to default anyway, let's get it over with!
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I thought we were supposed to be, ya know, kinda sorta smart.
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I always wondered how they would enforce the penalties for the ACA. How would the IRS know if you were liable for carrying coverage? Well this setting up an account at the healthcare.gov site eliminates alot of footwork for the IRS. It immediately generates a list of the people meeting the criteria and by opting out you put yourself at the top of the audit list.
Stop reading right-wing psycho blogs.
Yeah...read the left wing psycho blogs instead. After all it's easy...believe in nothing, stand for nothing, accept every behavior and carnal desire, and have zero personal responsibility because everything is the psyco right wings fault. Yep...
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What in the hell are you talking about? Is there some sort of prank going on I don't know about where people are just typing stupid nonsensical **** to baffle me? This place has gone batty in the last week or so.
Not sure I trust the ACA, as a provider or consumer. Only time will tell.
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Looking in from the outside, seems like that's what you folks really need. I had high hopes for that "Occupy" movement; I thought, and it's about time, too.
But no. Average Americans don't seem to have any idea how much you are getting ****** over by the uber wealthy.
And do you think it's possible maybe the illegals contribute more to your economy than they take out because they can't legally collect gov't benefits?
This isn't about healthcare. It confiscation of savings.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area
http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-obamacare-sticker-shock
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area
http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-obamacare-sticker-shock
