California School Chances

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Hey Guys,

Quick Question. I am going to be applying to only cali schools for this cycle and I was wondering what are my chances. I am applying no later than June 20th.

Stats

GPA: 3.41
sGPA: 3.57
DAT: 21/22/19
I have over 1500 hours of shadowing general dentists and oral surgeons
I have also been researching for the past 2 years.


what do you think my chances are for UCLA, USC, UCSF, UOP, and Loma Linda.

thanks!!!!!🙂
 
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Isn't 1,500 hours of shadowing a bit much? I would think 100-200 would suffice, and use the rest of that time for studying, a part-time job, volunteering, or other ECs

Your scores look good though and you will probably get a few interviews
 
Hey Guys,

Quick Question. I am going to be applying to only cali schools for this cycle and I was wondering what are my chances. I am applying no later than June 20th.

Stats

GPA: 3.41
sGPA: 3.57
DAT: 21/22/19
I have over 1500 hours of shadowing general dentists and oral surgeons
I have also been researching for the past 2 years.


what do you think my chances are for UCLA, USA, UCSF, UOP, and Loma Linda.

thanks!!!!!🙂

Great stats!

I assume you meant USC, right?

You will probably have good chance getting into Loma Linda or USC, but it may as little bit harder to get into UCLA or UCSF.

You are like right at the average stat for admitted UCLA students, so I think I guess it would be up to your luck.

Good luck.
 
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Im just wondering, why would you ever do 1500 hours of shadowing? And how many years did it take you to do that?
 
Hey my bad, I meant to say USC. Yeah it took me a while to rack up 1500 hours. I was doing anywhere from 16-20 hours a week for the past like 3 and half years.

My number 1 choice is UCLA, and my number 2 is USC.

I hope I get into one of those. I heard UCLA is one of the most tough schools to get into
 
From my experience, the California schools are very unpredictable when it comes to picking applicants. You have research so you def just increased your chance with both UCLA and UCSF. You should have a good shot with UOP depending on your extra curricular, leaderships...ok just your overall package. The DAT score is definitely there. USC really looks upon personal statement from what I hear, and then they look at the grades .etc Loma Linda is a shot in the dark. I didn't apply there so I dont know how their school's admissions work. Are you applying to Western?

Overall I think you're a good applicant overall on paper so ya..good luck buddy.
 
Hey Guys,

Quick Question. I am going to be applying to only cali schools for this cycle and I was wondering what are my chances. I am applying no later than June 20th.

Stats

GPA: 3.41
sGPA: 3.57
DAT: 21/22/19
I have over 1500 hours of shadowing general dentists and oral surgeons
I have also been researching for the past 2 years.


what do you think my chances are for UCLA, USC, UCSF, UOP, and Loma Linda.

thanks!!!!!🙂

As for the LLU, I would not recommend wasting money and time for them unless you are SDA members. Other than LLU, you do have a good shot at others. However, I would also suggest applying to more schools. Overall, the admission process is rather unpredictable (like others had said, Cali schools are even more so). I would add in Western, BU, UMich, UNLV, NYU, and Tufts to your list. You really want to apply to at least 10 schools. I am sure you don't want to apply again next year. Go anywhere takes you!!!

You should try to do some volunteer work (not-dental related) and get some TA experience (if possible). These two additional areas will strengthen your resume further. Of course, don't forget to prepare for interviews.

Hope this helps.
 
thanks a lot for the insight guys! yeah I guess i'll work on some non-dental related stuff. But i don't think i'm going to apply to western, is it even accredited?

thanks again
 
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Yes, it is. I have actually been to an open house and it seems like a great school with a lot of new equipment!

You should look into it as well as out os state schools.
 
thanks bossoffloss!

Also you know how they say that USC is a problem based learning dental school... do you know anyone that has been going to dental school there and how they like that?
 
I got into UCLA with only 35 hours of volunteer work at a free clinic (sent app in june and barely started volunteering in May) and it didnt account for the volunteering I did after those 35 hours which the admissions didnt see. So volunteering wont guarantee you're in or out. Strive for wellroundedness and see the many volunteering hours you have as one notch on your belt and try your best to add more to your checklist. I have heard that DAT / GPA are huge at UCLA admissions though.

Its really depends how you are as an overall applicant and the interview that'll make you or break you as well as a lil bit of luck.
 
thanks for all the input... I really don't think that over 200 hours of shadowing is necessary. But I went ahead and did it because I enjoyed so much, I even might have more.

But does anyone know how USC teaches?
 
Yeah, you basically teach yourself how to be a dentist

You will learn basic science courses through PBL system instead of learning each subject such as taking biochem, etc. PBL is also used by Case and other dental schools.

Since I have not started dschool yet so I cannot comment on its effectiveness yet, but from my research on the topic (which I did before choosing USC) it seems that most students at USC I talked during interview actually like it very much and they said it prepared them well enough for board 1 without wasting time by learning unnecessary information. This could be biased because these students chose USC because they liked PBL system, but nonetheless as long as system fits your learning style, it could be an effective way of learning.

A student I talked with (an alumni from my undergrad which I found on facebook) told me that you have much free time during your first and second year but in order to excel, you will have to discipline yourself and make sure you do your part. If you lack self-discipline or time management, this could be a very bad idea. Some students are more used to attending lectures and learning by memorizing instead of learning the process and these students will probably struggle and complain about the system.
Therefore, whether you would like PBL system or not I am not sure. I suggest if you get a chance, visit the school talk to current students and see if you can get some real ideas.

I also heard that starting with my class, it would be more of a hybrid system with regular lectures and PBL classes so expect there to be some changes coming.

As far as training to become a 'dentist,' USC is known for producing very well trained dentists and BossOfFloss's comment on you have to teach yourself to become a dentist is definitely false since the faculty at USC is actually one of the best (many worldly renowned researchers and clinicians are at USC). They also made some changes to their patient scheduling which will help us with more effective patient flow (if you are still curious about USC, search on this forum there are many threads about this topic and PBL).

Western has a potential to become a very great school so I would suggest that you include them when you're applying, but I personally chose USC over Western b/c I didn't want to choose a new school over a well-established school. Also, even though school's reputation has changed in recent years, it is still the very first dental school in LA (and in fact southwest US) and its network and alumni base are one of the largest. I also preferred large campus with more chances for social life compared to Western's Pomona campus that used to be a shopping center turned into school building (which I was told from the interview guide).

But most of students at Western I see on SDN seem to really enjoy their experiences there and b/c it's a new school it would send out more acceptances due to people declining their offers so I suggest you keep it on your list.

Western is not fully accredited yet. They have the initial accreditation and it cannot be fully accredited until they graduate a class (same goes with Midwestern).

http://www.ada.org/267.aspx - this link shows you about dental school's accreditation status

But its dean being a member of ADA Committee, I believe they will have no problem with being fully accredited. And also there is a California law that guarantees that those students who attend the school while it's still not fully accredited will still receive their DDS degree because otherwise noone would ever go to new schools (there is also a thread about this on SDN forum here).

BossOfFloss - Please do some real research before replying/commenting on questions since you can give some false answers to those that are new to the forum and cause confusion. SDN already has so many false rumors that has been stated by different people that they actually become facts over here (e.g. NYU drops 20% of class after the first year which is a complete false)
 
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You will learn basic science courses through PBL system instead of learning each subject such as taking biochem, etc. PBL is also used by Case and other dental schools.

Since I have not started dschool yet so I cannot comment on its effectiveness yet, but from my research on the topic (which I did before choosing USC) it seems that most students at USC I talked during interview actually like it very much and they said it prepared them well enough for board 1 without wasting time by learning unnecessary information. This could be biased because these students chose USC because they liked PBL system, but nonetheless as long as system fits your learning style, it could be an effective way of learning.

A student I talked with (an alumni from my undergrad which I found on facebook) told me that you have much free time during your first and second year but in order to excel, you will have to discipline yourself and make sure you do your part. If you lack self-discipline or time management, this could be a very bad idea. Some students are more used to attending lectures and learning by memorizing instead of learning the process and these students will probably struggle and complain about the system.
Therefore, whether you would like PBL system or not I am not sure. I suggest if you get a chance, visit the school talk to current students and see if you can get some real ideas.

I also heard that starting with my class, it would be more of a hybrid system with regular lectures and PBL classes so expect there to be some changes coming.

As far as training to become a 'dentist,' USC is known for producing very well trained dentists and BossOfFloss's comment on you have to teach yourself to become a dentist is definitely false since the faculty at USC is actually one of the best (many worldly renowned researchers and clinicians are at USC). They also made some changes to their patient scheduling which will help us with more effective patient flow (if you are still curious about USC, search on this forum there are many threads about this topic and PBL).

Western has a potential to become a very great school so I would suggest that you include them when you're applying, but I personally chose USC over Western b/c I didn't want to choose a new school over a well-established school. Also, even though school's reputation has changed in recent years, it is still the very first dental school in LA (and in fact southwest US) and its network and alumni base are one of the largest. I also preferred large campus with more chances for social life compared to Western's Pomona campus that used to be a shopping center turned into school building (which I was told from the interview guide).

But most of students at Western I see on SDN seem to really enjoy their experiences there and b/c it's a new school it would send out more acceptances due to people declining their offers so I suggest you keep it on your list.

Western is not fully accredited yet. They have the initial accreditation and it cannot be fully accredited until they graduate a class (same goes with Midwestern).

http://www.ada.org/267.aspx - this link shows you about dental school's accreditation status

But its dean being a member of ADA Committee, I believe they will have no problem with being fully accredited. And also there is a California law that guarantees that those students who attend the school while it's still not fully accredited will still receive their DDS degree because otherwise noone would ever go to new schools (there is also a thread about this on SDN forum here).

BossOfFloss - Please do some real research before replying/commenting on questions since you can give some false answers to those that are new to the forum and cause confusion. SDN already has so many false rumors that has been stated by different people that they actually become facts over here (e.g. NYU drops 20% of class after the first year which is a complete false)



thank you so much!! i really wanted a complete answer on the teach style at usc and you gave it! It feels like I am going to end up there (hopefully) because UCLA is a long shot for me.

I think I am fit for the USC style of teaching!