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Look around at schools you'd want to apply to first to be sure they accept CC credits for pre-reqs, assuming you have not done this already.
Some med schools explicitly state (my top school choice, for instance) that you are highly discouraged from having more than X pre-reqs at a community college. I can't say I agree with this policy, but there it is.
Well, then I will not be attending that institution as I cannot swing the cost. However, I feel strongly that I will be competitive enough to attend somewhere. I have found in life that if I try to please everybody, I end up pleasing nobody. I will do the best I can with the means I have. It will have to be good enough. I choose to believe it will be.
If all science pre-requisites were taken at a community college we strongly recommend that you take at least of year of upper-level sciences from an accredited four-year degree granting university within the United States or Canada. If a few science pre-requisite courses were taken at a community college we will evaluate them on a case-by-case basis.
I don't mean to insinuate that taking pre-reqs at a CC ruins your chances anywhere, but in the world of med school ADCOMS, it makes you a slightly weaker candidate. I am not immediately familiar with your situation, but if your undergrad GPA is solid (3.5+) an you are confident that your MCAT will be competitive, it may not be as big of an issue. Like others have pointed out, though, every little detail counts toward making you a weaker or stronger candidate. If you are weak in any other areas, it may behoove you to consider a 4 year school instead.
A quote from my particular school of interest's website:
I took most of my prereqs at CC. Both of my science LORs were from CC profs.
I have been accepted to multiple DO schools and got interviews at 11 of the 13 places I was complete at. (5 DO and the rest MD)
I talked to a lot of schools about this. My state MD school said CC was ok because they don't want their students taking on debt before med school. DO schools were all ok with it.
Also I should mention that I believe this was the only "weak" point in my application if you want to call it that. My MCAT was strong, GPA near perfect, good extracurriculars with a mix of healthcare, leadership, and teaching. Little research but I applied to schools that were not research giants, and I did have a bit of it with a poster presentation so it wasn't absent from my application.
So far this has not come up at a single interview. We'll see how the rest of my app season plays out as far as the MD schools go but I don't think it has hurt me personally at all.
See, that's surprising to me because I'm taking a class at Cal and it's a joke. The class I'm taking at a Community College is way too intense.
i did my chem at a cc - no one said a word about it. i did not pay since my county waives tuition for volunteer firefighters and emts (i was both and they let me double dip on the tuition credit)
i found the class to be completely satisfactory and rather than sit in lecture with close to 200 kids at my university, i think i took the class with 30...the professors were actually at the lab etc. also, the facilities were superior to my university. however, i did take the rest of the pre reqs. at my school undergrad.
I have friends (4 to be exact) who I attended a cc with before transfering to a 4 year university. They all took all of the pre-reqs at the community college (2 took physics at their universities) and are all currently in med school or residency.
Just adding that in... May or may not be reflective of how acceptable cc credits are towards the pre-reqs. 🙂
I thought long and hard about CC classes before eventually deciding against and enrolling at the local university. I will already be applying with a sub-par GPA; I was worried that attending a CC would give some schools additional ammo to attack my application.
I don't have a family and have held a decent job for the past three years, which means with some careful financial planning and by dipping into savings I should be able to attend for two years without taking out an additional loan.
I still wonder whether or not I made the correct decision, and will probably continue to do so up until the day I am accepted.
To all those taking their pre-reqs at a CC - best of luck and hope that it never becomes an issue!
Bingo. Same exact reason for me. My uGPA being low makes me a weak candidate, and the fact that I have no real research experience. I'm doing every little bit that I can to give me a better chance. Many people do not make it into med school, and it can be hard to truly appreciate that and realize that you or I could very well not get accepted.
I would have done the same, but the problem is that I have no money.
I find it hard to believe that taking courses at a community college is in the top 10 reasons they'll reject. The MCAT is supposed to be the reality check for the usual fantasies about places like Caltech or Cornell. The MCAT scores should be like a wake up call for all the people who assume they would have had a 4.0 if they had just gone to a community college followed by state college.
It may not be a reason in and of itself, no. The real crux of it is just that it makes you a weaker candidate -- nothing more, nothing less. This is not hearsay or conjecture. Some schools explicitly say that they will not accept all prereqs from a CC. If you are already a strong candidate, it may not make much of a difference. But if like me, you are a weak candidate, it is in your best interest to go to a four year school.
Best of luck
That certainly is not a blanket policy against CC pre-reqs. They certainly do accept them and there is no blanket policy against them.If all science pre-requisites were taken at a community college we strongly recommend that you take at least of year of upper-level sciences from an accredited four-year degree granting university within the United States or Canada. If a few science pre-requisite courses were taken at a community college we will evaluate them on a case-by-case basis.
Again, not a blanket rejection policy. I assume if you took all your pre-reqs at a CC but then scored a 38 on the MCAT and have three publications as First Author then they would strongly consider you.Courses completed at a community college: The College of Medicine Admissions Committee strongly recommends that prerequisite courses be completed at a four-year degree-granting institution.
Bluesun, I think you are misrepresenting what those "some schools" actually say.
Some=Case Western says:
That certainly is not a blanket policy against CC pre-reqs. They certainly do accept them and there is no blanket policy against them.
Schools=Ohio State says:
Again, not a blanket rejection policy. I assume if you took all your pre-reqs at a CC but then scored a 38 on the MCAT and have three publications as First Author then they would strongly consider you.
Right?
I have posted twice in this thread saying this: Taking your prereqs at a community college does not preclude you from admission to a medical school, but it makes you a weaker candidate. If you are already a weak candidate, it would behoove you to take your prerequisites (or the remainder thereof) at a four year university rather than a community college.
If a medical school makes a point of mentioning community college courses, saying that they "strongly recommend" that you take them at a four year university instead, it's hard to argue that it is not in your best interest to do so.
If you are like me (and many other non-trads) and do not have a pristine academic record, you are already a step behind. To parrot DrMidlife a little bit here, you need to be completely honest with yourself about your situation; do not take it for granted that you will get accepted to a medical school. I don't remember the exact statistics offhand, but for every medical student that matriculates there are many that do not make it. If you feel that you are a strong enough candidate to forgo taking courses at a four year university, by all means do so. However, right or wrong, community college courses are considered a weak point by ADCOMs, and your clone with four year courses instead of CC courses may very well get accepted over you.
However I demonstrated that this is factually incorrect. I think that you should retract that statement. Will you?
BlueSun, you're trying to change what you said. You said:
Bluesun said:
However I demonstrated that this is factually incorrect. I think that you should retract that statement. Will you?
If all science pre-requisites were taken at a community college we strongly recommend that you take at least of year of upper-level sciences from an accredited four-year degree granting university [...]
I think the key word you are missing here is "all". Case, as you pointed out, says
If all of your science prerequisites are from a community college, they explicitly state that they then want you to take an additional year of science at a four year university.
What does "is" mean? Splitting hairs. Waste of time. Later.
Of people who complete a bachelor's from UC Berkeley or UCLA, a large number of them did their lower division courses at a community college. If I believed the average opinion on this board, then they would be damaged goods compared to the fresh graduate from anything, as long as it qualifies as a four year university. There are a lot of four year universities in the United States, and the vast majority of them are not more reputable than a community college.
Another variable worth considering is the quality of teaching in lower division courses. Many four year universities, most of which are relatively unknown, get less than stellar feedback about the teaching of lower division courses. I am not cynical enough to believe that it won't matter how well you learn the material, and all that matters is whether or not it looks like you did on an application form.
The simple fact here is that everything stated in this thread is conjecture and opinion. Wanting to get a full grasp on the situation, I chose to actually call the medical schools I was interested in and ask them directly, rather than depend on the internet opinion of complete strangers. What I found is that the question of cc credits is not nearly as awkward as you might expect, and that admissions departments were quite willing to discuss this issue directly. Of the 3 I called, one said they flat out don't care (especially from a non-trad, they understand cc is easier to schedule and cheaper), one said they encourage coursework at a 4 year but would still consider an app with all cc pre-reqs, and one said they would absolutely not consider my application, even if MCAT was high.
So there you have it. If you are really serious about finding an answer to this question, call the schools and ask them, not the Internet.
You didn't cut it in the past and now "redemption" is attempted a CC, where the average attending student has lower ACT/SAT and grades, even if the tests/coursework and ratios set for curves are the exact same it is still easier to make the grade because the competition is easier. Also, going from a 4yr with mediocre or poor grades to a 2yr to get good ones can only look so good.
Er, I have no "past" GPA, I started working right out of high school. I am not trying to repair anything.
has anyone here taken the same class twice? like algebra based physics in cc then again at a 4 year? how's that look on your overall sGPA?