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This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
 
Are you a grown ****ing adult or not? Apply wherever you want.

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dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Richard Jadick is a famous DO. Or is he an MD? Just Kidding. Here is a link to the article about him.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/47026


That being said, tell your parents to walk in to any hospital or talk to any person involved with health care. That will set them straight.

Thats pretty much the only advice you need to give them...and with that, i recommend :lock: because this is going to get real ugly real fast.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Are you a grown ****ing adult or not? Apply wherever you want.

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:laugh::laugh::laugh: LOL that made my day!! But the the op... tell them to look in a phone book.. Theres plenty of D.O.'s in there.
 
A KCUMB alumni is the Chief Medical Officer of the United States Olympic Team. 😎
 
TT, dropping F bombs left and right lately.

This thread will not last long. I'm sorry, but you need to toughen up and say its what you want to do. Your parents can kiss your arse if they need proof. What if you wanted to do something else? Would you need to supply proof for that too? Sorry...you parents are either idiots, misinformed, or both. I really hope its just misinformed. Honestly, a lot of the cash is being fronted on my parents right now but they wouldn't know the frickin difference. I just apply where I want.
 
Most residency directions will say they prefer MDs, then DO, then FG MD's. So, you are probably better off going DO than to the caribbean. Additionally, just from my experience, the two DOs I shadowed are head of their departments. More specifically, one is the head of endocrinology and the other the head of geriatrics, and both said they had no difficuilt getting decent residencies and fellowships.
 
Although my gut tells me you may be trolling, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and respond as if you actually need some help. In this situation, have your parents look at their insurance network for physicians in your area. There is a wealth of primary care physicians that are DOs, so you should have no trouble showing the availability of osteopathic physicians.

And as for famous DOs, this isn't professional sports or Hollywood. There are not trading cards (although I'm sure TT would love to have his picture on one) or a physician related access hollywood, so I'm not sure where you would find famous DOs in the media. Although, if you take a look at Ryerrs21's avatar there is a picture of a DO on either Time or Newsweek. DO's are an intergral part of modern medicine. If someone doesn't know that by now, then maybe they are the misinformed ones. There also is a strong possibility that they have been treated by a DO and not have known it.

Do a search on SDN for DO school match lists and I'm sure that you'll be able to prove their worthiness in medicine. There was a recent thread that discussed this. Also, there has a been an age long discussion regarding the decision between whether you should go DO or Caribbean MD. If you are serious about learning which is best for you, there is a wealth of information on these forums as this topic has been discussed over and over again.
 
MossPoh said:
TT, dropping F bombs left and right lately.

This thread will not last long. I'm sorry, but you need to toughen up and say its what you want to do. Your parents can kiss your arse if they need proof. What if you wanted to do something else? Would you need to supply proof for that too? Sorry...you parents are either idiots, misinformed, or both. I really hope its just misinformed. Honestly, a lot of the cash is being fronted on my parents right now but they wouldn't know the frickin difference. I just apply where I want.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with his/her parents. They are just trying to protect him/her from making a bad life decision. They know that MD's can be successful but they probably don't know about DO's at all. In all honesty, i am a little hesitent entering DO because where i am from we do not have many, so i don't know if the successful DOs i have met are the exception to the rule.
 
If you are a college graduate, and your parents still "don't let you" do something, then yes, there is something wrong with them. At that point, they can offer all the advice they want, but their days of making decisions for you are over.

And to answer the original question, yes, there are tons of DO's who are successful. The guy who manages the taco bell near my house is a DO, and he makes mad cash.

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cliquesh said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with his/her parents. They are just trying to protect him/her from making a bad life decision. They know that MD's can be successful but they probably don't know about DO's at all. In all honesty, i am a little hesitent entering DO because where i am from we do not have many, so i don't know if the successful DOs i have met are the exception to the rule.
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It comes down to do you want to practice medicine. If you do, can't get into an MD school, you apply DO before you go offshore. Each year people that are "overqualified" apply to DO schools, get in, and go. Obviously, they see the light.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
If you are a college graduate, and your parents still "don't let you" do something, then yes, there is something wrong with them. At that point, they can offer all the advice they want, but their days of making decisions for you are over.

And to answer the original question, yes, there are tons of DO's who are successful. The guy who manages the taco bell near my house is a DO, and he makes mad cash.

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Qdoba, ftw.
 
cliquesh said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with his/her parents. They are just trying to protect him/her from making a bad life decision. They know that MD's can be successful but they probably don't know about DO's at all. In all honesty, i am a little hesitent entering DO because where i am from we do not have many, so i don't know if the successful DOs i have met are the exception to the rule.
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Make a bad life decision? Are you being serious right now? I think before you start to make judgments about this profession you need to gain more experience and knowledge about medicine.

I'm starting to think that a lot of students are going into medicine because of the pressure from their parents. Moreover, these are parents who are not involved in any aspect of medicine, so from their very small knowledge of healthcare, they make assumptions. If DOs were not capable physicians they would not be allowed to practice medicine. You can bet the medical governing bodies would not allow this to happen. End of story. Please use your heads.
 
I shadowed a Anesthesiologist today, and she is a DO. She has her own individual business, and very successful. Her sister also went to DO school, and doing exactly the same. My husband has been to an allergy specialist few times referred by his primary MD. We didn't even realize that he is a DO till recently when I started search for a DO to shadow.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
If you are a college graduate, and your parents still "don't let you" do something, then yes, there is something wrong with them. At that point, they can offer all the advice they want, but their days of making decisions for you are over.

And to answer the original question, yes, there are tons of DO's who are successful. The guy who manages the taco bell near my house is a DO, and he makes mad cash.

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that DO must be living the life managing the taco bell

on a serious note

1) I understand coming form parent of my own that like to put in their input. You have to understand that they are not experts in this field, and they can cant make the decission for you. I know it is hard for some people to understand that they are not experts at everything, and the chances of them excepting that are bleak, but you have to know that. You cant listen to them on this topic because they dont know too much about it.

2) I don't know what your definition of successful is. Any DO who passes the boards is able to land a residency and get a job. You will not walk around for years without a job if your board certified and looking for one.

3) If your rents need proof Google DO match lists and you will see many DO who matched in variety of fields and specialties.

It stress this again, you cannot let someone else make a decision for you, who has no information about the subject. Thats just dumb

That is just my opinion
 
what dictates success?

is it monatary success?

moral success?

what do you think success is? saving peoples lives, treating and caring for the ill? if so...thats what DO's do, just like MD's, just like RN's, etc.
 
udsoccer7 said:
Make a bad life decision? Are you being serious right now? I think before you start to make judgments about this profession you need to gain more experience and knowledge about medicine.

I'm starting to think that a lot of students are going into medicine because of the pressure from their parents. Moreover, these are parents who are not involved in any aspect of medicine, so from their very small knowledge of healthcare, they make assumptions. If DOs were not capable physicians they would not be allowed to practice medicine. You can bet the medical governing bodies would not allow this to happen. End of story. Please use your heads.
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sadly that is true in many cultures, many people go to med school because their rents want to live vicariously through them. They want their children to have the "respect and prestige". But they fail to realize, medicine is not game, people lives are at stake.
 
i just saw tcom's match list and it is pretty impressive.
can that be said about all osteopathic schools? most osteopathic grads do go to primary care though.
 
a817 said:
sadly that is true in many cultures, many people go to med school because their rents want to live vicariously through them. They want their children to have the "respect and prestige". But they fail to realize, medicine is not game, people lives are at stake.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
if you're coming to an anonymous internet forum for advice on such an important decision, maybe you should listen to your parents...

Asking people for "proof" that DO is good enough for your parents is silly. Print out a list of DO's in your area and call it a day.

Every day there's a thread like this.
 
sixpence said:
i just saw tcom's match list and it is pretty impressive.
can that be said about all osteopathic schools? most osteopathic grads do go to primary care though.
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well tcom tuition is 10k or something, so many students are incline to do primary care. When you go to schools with high tuition like NYCOM, PCOM you see the huge difference and more than half of the students don't do primary care. Match lists are dependent of alot of factors
 
You are only as successful as the sum of your medical competency, time management skills and business savvy. Degree has zero to do with it. I've seen some absolutely stellar Caribbean MDs and American DOs. (heck I work along side of some Caribbean MDs and am proud to call them my colleagues)

On the flip side, I've seen some, how do I say this in a politically correct manner, graduates of "well thought of schools" who are flat out an endangerment to society.

Where you goto medical school is possibly a direct correlation to your standardized test taking skills. It sure as heck doesn't automagically transform you into the world's best doctor.

YOU are ultimately responsible for your medical education so learn as much as possible in school and take initiative. Doesn't matter where you go, no amount of spoonfeeding will substitute for motive, drive and life-long learning.

Me? I'm just a lowly intern but I'm motivated to do my job to the best of my ability. :laugh:

I can't lock this thread, not my assigned forum/duty but wanted to get my 2 cents in, just in case this was an actual question. Sorry to all if I fed the trolls :meanie:
 
udsoccer7 said:
My thoughts exactly.
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Yea its really sad when i was shadowing an MD, a couple of the residents were depressed and didnt want to be a doctor anymore. They stated they did this because their rents wanted this. If your doing medicine for someone else, its going to catch up too you and eat you inside. Being a doctor, with that life style isn't for everyone
 
Guys, there's no need to be so snippy with the OP. I think we all went through a phase where we had to explain osteopathic medicine to relatives. If his parents are paying for med school, they have a right to weigh in on what they're paying for and if they don't know what osteopathic medicine is, then it's up to the poster to teach them. He/she is asking us for advice and/or help to do that. I don't see the problem.

Original poster, google "osteopathic physician" and check out some websites of practicing doctors -- family practice docs, psychiatrists, pediatricians, dermatologists, etc. An osteopathic degree will prepare you for any specialty you want to pursue. The only difference between an MD and a DO is philosophy (which you can read more about at www.osteopathic.org) and a focus by DO schools on OMM. Read up on it. I promise you won't disappointed in learning more about osteopathic medicine! And to quell your parents' concerns, DOs are every bit as successful as MDs.

Good luck!
 
The attending DOs in the surgery dept who I shadowed at a large metro health center drove taxi cabs after their shifts in the ER.





Joseph Palmi: What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?

Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
 
First off, I'm sorry to hear that you are still under the control of your parents. This is something you will have to deal with in the near future or you will feel some serious resentment later on in life. There's a great book by Norman Gevitz about D.O.'s. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/D-O-s-Osteopathic-Medicine-America/dp/0801843219

Buy yourself and your parents a copy.
 
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dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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wow you gotta be kidding me:scared:
Hero DO-newsweek
type google-osteopathic physician salary=same as MD salary
take them to a DO physician
 
Some people like to have the approval of family members, its makes life easier. I feel like some of the previous posters were very defensive ,which I think is understandable because there are people who unfairly look down at D.O.'s, but can we say "harsh".
 
I like to have the approval of family members. I would go so far as to say that it is important to me. But at the end of the day, its my decision, and anyone who doesn't like it, family or not, can go sit in the corner and cry about it if it makes them feel better.

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Postal said:
Some people like to have the approval of family members, its makes life easier. I feel like some of the previous posters were very defensive ,which I think is understandable because there are people who unfairly look down at D.O.'s, but can we say "harsh".
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Defensive? Possibly....

Harsh? No...

I constantly feel like Bill Murray living through groundhog's day when I see these posts.

I'm finding trouble putting my finger on the origination of this "DO stigma". I understand some of the historical issues, but this contemporary issue I'm not quite sure about.

I do believe, whether you do or not, that some of the stigma is derived from MDs (or pre-MDs) feeling threatened by DOs (and pre-DOs). As if we are invading their territory and they are losing their autonomy as the only capable physicians.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
I like to have the approval of family members. I would go so far as to say that it is important to me. But at the end of the day, its my decision, and anyone who doesn't like it, family or not, can go sit in the corner and cry about it if it makes them feel better.
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Nobody puts baby in the corner. God bless you Patrick Swayze.
 
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Nevermind - I don't think I can say that here.



Speaking of Swayze, this is how we handle pre-allos 'round here...


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn96jR5Geyk&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Apparently, a two month hiatus from this side of the forum wasn't enough...If you need the proof, why not look it up yourself? Can you provide me with proof that you aren't lazy?
 
I hate to drop this name, but just tell you parents to watch some E! OP:

www.kirbydermatology.com


Will Kirby, DO ... a doctor featured on E!'s 'Dr 90210' is a graduate of NSUCOM. I mean of course the end goal is to become a famous TV doctor so this should sway them fooo shooo .... 😎
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Grow up man. Christ... you gunna let your parents hold your hand the rest of your life? =) Good luck with the whole issue... but be your own man
 
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sixpence said:
i just saw tcom's match list and it is pretty impressive.
can that be said about all osteopathic schools? most osteopathic grads do go to primary care though.
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The most popular residencies in both MD and DO are in primary care (saw it on some pdf file posted around SDN). There is also thread around here that has a listing of all the residency matches from all the schools. I was also impressed with OSU-COM's, but that could be because I'm just a tad partial.
 
I work with DO's who are chiefs of the depts of emergency medicine and neurology. they are the only DO's in each dept.
 
DrMidlife said:
You mean populous.
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Pretty sure I meant what I said, but populous fits, too.

pop·u·lar
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prevailing among the people generally: a popular superstition.
 
sookie said:
Pretty sure I meant what I said, but populous fits, too.

pop·u·lar
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prevailing among the people generally: a popular superstition.
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If you'd also say China is the most popular country, sure.
 
Well I would if China had the highest emigration rate out of any other country in the world.
 
sookie said:
Well I would if China had the highest emigration rate out of any other country in the world.
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Exactly. Primary care has the most people in it (populous). People are not fighting to get into it (popular).

End pedantry. Beg your pardon.
 
gasapple said:
Nevermind - I don't think I can say that here.



Speaking of Swayze, this is how we handle pre-allos 'round here...


[youtube]kn96jR5Geyk[/youtube]
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Patrick Swayze might very well be the greatest actor of all-time. At least until he started making **** like Ghost.
 
Hell yes.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GBy7rBzz_I[/YOUTUBE]
 
I'm there with ya. :laugh:
 
I still can't hear that song "I've had the time of my life" without thinking about that scene.

"Nobody puts baby in the corner" is one of the best movie quotes of all-time as well. Up there with other Patrick Swayze quotes like "Pain don't hurt" and "I want you to be nice... until its time to not be nice."
 
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