Can I be kicked out of med school for not reporting previous matriculations?

[dashwater]

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I hold a 3.7 GPA in my senior year of college, but before the 4 years at this school I'm attending now, I had previously attended 2 different private colleges where I both failed every single class for a semester at each school.

Should I fail to report this on my med school application, and still get accepted, can I get kicked out for not reporting that I attended these 2 schools?

 

[deleted357625]

I hold a 3.7 GPA in my senior year of college, but before the 4 years at this school I'm attending now, I had previously attended 2 different private colleges where I both failed every single class for a semester at each school.

Should I fail to report this on my med school application, and still get accepted, can I get kicked out for not reporting that I attended these 2 schools?

you have to send every transcript from every university/college you attended. So your GPA is not 3.7 if you did horrible a previous colleges. And if you don't send all of the transcripts, they'll find out.

 

[gmcguitar4]

That is a pretty krappy situation. You have to recalculate that nice and shiny 3.7

 

[Ismet]

Not only do you have to send them transcripts from every school you attended, you have to input the details and grades from every single class you have ever taken at the college level (including APs/dual enrollment/stuff in high school).

Yes, you have to report it.

 

[dashwater]

Well, this is an unfortunate turn of events.

Should I take 1-2 more years worth of classes just to get my GPA up before applying to med school?

 

[dashwater]

Okay, so my net GPA is under 3.0 so I don't think an extra couple of years even with 4.0s will save me. Should I just give up on med school?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Okay, so my net GPA is under 3.0 so I don't think an extra couple of years even with 4.0s will save me. Should I just give up on med school?

You need to either
A) Consider an SMP, which if you do well in, will completely forgive your previous undergraduate grades for medical school applications. ( Also requires a high mcat score).
or
B) Retake the majority of those classes and apply DO.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

You need to either
A) Consider an SMP, which if you do well in, will completely forgive your previous undergraduate grades for medical school applications. ( Also requires a high mcat score).
or
B) Retake the majority of those classes and apply DO.

👍

 

[dashwater]

You need to either
A) Consider an SMP, which if you do well in, will completely forgive your previous undergraduate grades for medical school applications. ( Also requires a high mcat score).
or
B) Retake the majority of those classes and apply DO.

A) What would constitute a "high" MCAT score?
B) Retake which classes? The only classes I've ever failed were at my first two colleges, and those classes were composed entirely of Biblical/Christian studies, nothing related to sciences, math, etc.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

A)What would constitute a "high" MCAT score?
B) Retake which classes? The only classes which I've ever failed were at my first two colleges, and those classes were composed entirely of Biblical/Christian studies, nothing related to sciences, math, etc.

Wait, so then...what's your science GPA?

 

[dashwater]

Wait, so then...what's your science GPA?

I'm not sure how to calculate that, but considering only my cumulative bio, chem, physics, and math related classes, a quick calculation comes out to a 3.79. What would be the proper way to calculate a "science GPA?"

 

[pkwraith]

Not only do you have to send them transcripts from every school you attended, you have to input the details and grades from every single class you have ever taken at the college level (including APs/dual enrollment/stuff in high school).

Yes, you have to report it.

You don't report AP classes taken in High School, unless they show up on your college transcript as an equivalent approved college-level class/credit.

 

[PantherPride]

Not only do you have to send them transcripts from every school you attended, you have to input the details and grades from every single class you have ever taken at the college level (including APs/dual enrollment/stuff in high school).

Yes, you have to report it.

AP classes? what?

 

[LuciusVorenus]

I'm not sure how to calculate that, but considering only my cumulative bio, chem, physics, and math related classes, a quick calculation comes out to a 3.79. What would be the proper way to calculate a "science GPA?"

Science GPA is math, physics, bio, chemistry and is probably the more important of the two gpas they calculate. Have you taken your MCAT yet?

So basically, your science GPA is 3.79 and your cumulative GPA is below 3.0 because you failed what sounds like seminary school? Honestly, I don't really know what to make of it. Maybe you should ask LizzyM.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

AP classes? what?

You don't report the scores for AP exams, only which ones you passed and used as a substitute for college level classes.

 

[PantherPride]

You don't report the scores for AP exams, only which ones you passed and used as a substitute for college level classes.

Oh ok. I thought he was saying post your hs ap class grades O_O

 

[mipp0]

You need to either
A) Consider an SMP, which if you do well in, will completely forgive your previous undergraduate grades for medical school applications. ( Also requires a high mcat score).
or
B) Retake the majority of those classes and apply DO.

I think COMPLETELY FORGIVE is an overstatement. Different schools weight the SMP GPA differently, but it will be a big jump from your 3.0, assuming you do well.

 

[theseeker4]

Oh ok. I thought he was saying post your hs ap class grades O_O

What is your GPA including the failed classes? If you can get your GPA over a 3.0, you will make it within the automatic cut off of many schools, and your 3.7 GPA for the last 4 year combined with your ~3.8 science GPA would probably get you some attention at some DO and MD programs, if you have a stellar MCAT, great EC's, etc. It won't be impossible for you, but it will be more work, and an SMP may be necessary to have a real chance. Kill the MCAT, and go from there.

 

[LizzyM]

A piss poor gpa with an excellent science gpa and a tremendous upward trend is going to raise the curiosity of an adcom. Digging down and discovering that the poor grades were in bible studies, you are likely to be forgiven and with an excellent MCAT (35 or higher) you are likely to get some nibbles from schools that are interested in a candidate who is a "broken arrow".

 

[Ismet]

Oh ok. I thought she was saying post your hs ap class grades O_O

FTFY 🙂

There's an "AP" box to check when filling out a course's information if you took that course as an AP and transferred it to your university. I believe you leave the "grade" blank, but I really don't remember.

 

[varsityblue]

Unfortunately, you're going to need to disclose attendance at these two schools. I'd hate for you to be expelled like that guy who forged his way into Harvard...

 

[miz]

if i were on an adcom i would give you +20 points for failing out of bible school.

 

[miz]

Okay, sorry, had to get that out of my system. Here's my serious advice:
1. If you simply want to go to med school and aren't particularly attached to one location or getting into a top 10 school, I'd apply now and apply broadly if your MCAT is good (35+) and you have decent clinical volunteering/extracurriculars and letters of recommendation from your last school. I would suggest the broad application because some schools might hold the failed schooling against you and others might not care.
2. I'd mention it in my application in as positive a way as possible: explain why you went to these two schools (I assume parental pressure) and then explain how you learned from the experience (maybe something like it really showed you that your strengths and passion was in science and you decided to become a doctor). I might even write my personal statement ("why do you want to become a doctor?") around it and show that you overcame a potentially negative experience to come out a better person. Otherwise you'll get missed in the initial screening by some schools.
3. It sounds like you're missing a lot of information about what applying to medical school entails (eg, the difference between sciGPA and others, what constitutes a good MCAT, etc.) It's a drawn-out, expensive, and difficult process, so I'd suggest reading about it on these boards extensively before deciding to apply. You also need to know what kind of things you'd need to be competitive, like good extracurricular activities and recommendations. You'd need to make a decision about whether or not to apply NOW, unless you have already taken the MCAT. Registration for the MCAT happens online and if you're in a state like CA, the test dates fill up almost 6 months ahead of the date (to take a Jan MCAT in CA, you'd probably have to register in September- check in with people who are applying this cycle for exact figures, I'm a few years out). A late MCAT date will delay your application and seriously harm your chances at admission. If you've taken the MCAT, then you'd need to decide ideally by April if you want to apply this year, to get your transcripts, letters of rec, essays, and fees in order.

GOOD LUCK! PM if you have more questions

 

[Cherry212]

When you have a job and don't disclose it, it never existed. There is no such thing as a database that keeps track of employment. On the other hand, there is some form of a clearing house and they colleges will be found. Just retake and you should be good! 😀

 

[dashwater]

When you have a job and don't disclose it, it never existed. There is no such thing as a database that keeps track of employment. On the other hand, there is some form of a clearing house and they colleges will be found. Just retake and you should be good! 😀

Ironic avatar picture...

 

[ADolefulDream]

When you have a job and don't disclose it, it never existed. There is no such thing as a database that keeps track of employment. On the other hand, there is some form of a clearing house and they colleges will be found. Just retake and you should be good! 😀

With a name and SSI# (which are on your app) a fin aid counceler was able to go to a public website and see every school attended and what loans were taken out.

 

[IMSingular]

With a name and SSI# (which are on your app) a fin aid counceler was able to go to a public website and see every school attended and what loans were taken out.

We are well past 1984!

 

[thesauce]

Contact the schools and see if they have a grade-forgiveness policy. I have seen this at several community colleges, at least. It's for people that made mistakes and failed every single class, and have turned a new leaf and many years have passed. From what you're saying, you'd have a strong case on these grounds.

 

[SisterDisco08]

A note on APs: The long and short of it is, if they are on ANY of your college transcripts, you report them. For example, my AP credit gave me ~a semester of credit at UMich, and show up with a grade of "T" on my transcript, so that's how I put them in on AMCAS and AACOMAS.

 

[gerdman]

Failure to list all schools attended is a huge deal for state medical boards. You will lose your license if they find out. The case of Julian Omidi MD is a recent example:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/14/business/la-fi-hiltzik14-2010feb14
"..His license was revoked in 2009 by the Medical Board of California, which concluded that he had been intentionally deceitful on his license application. Omidi had failed to mention that he had attended UC Irvine from 1986 to 1990. The board concluded that he did so "most likely" to keep it from learning that he had been expelled from UCI in 1990.."

 

[Kadava Reviva]

I hold a 3.7 GPA in my senior year of college, but before the 4 years at this school I'm attending now, I had previously attended 2 different private colleges where I both failed every single class for a semester at each school.

Should I fail to report this on my med school application, and still get accepted, can I get kicked out for not reporting that I attended these 2 schools?

Absolutely!

Many schools only compile your last three or four years of full-time credits, but no school will tolerate dishonesty.

Poor marks years ago followed by good marks can be a sign of a more mature student.

 

[moneytree]

I hold a 3.7 GPA in my senior year of college, but before the 4 years at this school I'm attending now, I had previously attended 2 different private colleges where I both failed every single class for a semester at each school.

Should I fail to report this on my med school application, and still get accepted, can I get kicked out for not reporting that I attended these 2 schools?

It's a matter of when, not if, they find out. Look up the National Student Clearinghouse.

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