can I claim minority status?

[StormingWynn]

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I don't care about prone. That's just ridiculous. Because some black people grow up in bad conditions we should treat all of them like they did?

If you grew up in those crappy situations, you should get the leniency in the application process. If you didn't, you shouldn't get better treatment because another black kid somewhere got screwed on his education.

Wasn't that our whole argument earlier. I bet MOST of the URM's who apply as such are also disadvantaged, that came from poor neighborhoods and bad education districts. That's why there are 2 boxes and not a single one. Also, don't you think DIVERSITY is good? Diversity brings new insights into a professional field. People tend to associate with their race and culture, if the field was only filled with White and Asians, I bet there would be a decrease in the patient population of minority groups. Lastly, do you honestly think that a white male, who has never been to the ghettos, interacted with "ghetto" people will instantly, or be able to, interact with those people better than someone who grew up in those places? Come on! Be logical.

 

[StormingWynn]

.............

Come on man, don't resort to personal attacks. Edit out your post.

 

[slowbutsteady]

Wasn't that our whole argument earlier. I bet MOST of the URM's who apply as such are also disadvantaged, that came from poor neighborhoods and bad education districts. That's why there are 2 boxes and not a single one. Also, don't you think DIVERSITY is good? Diversity brings new insights into a professional field. People tend to associate with their race and culture, if the field was only filled with White and Asians, I bet there would be a decrease in the patient population of minority groups. Lastly, do you honestly think that a white male, who has never been to the ghettos, interacted with "ghetto" people will instantly, or be able to, interact with those people better than someone who grew up in those places? Come on! Be logical.

You and I agree, except you're nicer!

It is very hard for me to stay civil when people are so ignorant. Kudos to you!!!

 

[slowbutsteady]

Come on man, don't resort to personal attacks. Edit out your post.

Good advice. Done. Thanks.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

Wasn't that our whole argument earlier. I bet MOST of the URM's who apply as such are also disadvantaged, that came from poor neighborhoods and bad education districts. That's why there are 2 boxes and not a single one. Also, don't you think DIVERSITY is good? Diversity brings new insights into a professional field. People tend to associate with their race and culture, if the field was only filled with White and Asians, I bet there would be a decrease in the patient population of minority groups. Lastly, do you honestly think that a white male, who has never been to the ghettos, interacted with "ghetto" people will instantly, or be able to, interact with those people better than someone who grew up in those places? Come on! Be logical.

How ironic. I want the best possible physicians, how is that being illogical? I want them extremely intelligent and talented, I don't care what color they are.

Again, MOST. I know there are two boxes, i'm saying there should only be one possibility to obtain that extra boost in the application process, and that's by being poor. Skin color does not matter.

How bout this, if Tiger Wood's kid tries to apply to medical school one day, would you consider him disadvantaged and in need of "bonus points" in the application process?

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

You and I agree, except you're nicer!

It is very hard for me to stay civil when people are so ignorant. Kudos to you!!!

I'm ignorant? Are you kidding? You're blatantly racist and i'm the ignorant one. Awesome.

 

[UAAWolf]

dad = caucasian
mom = 50% Chilean/25% Costa Rican-25%Filipino
so she's 75% hispanic and 25% filipino - she has a very latino last name

Is it ok for me to claim hispanic? and how do they verify self reporting of minority status? Where is the cutoff on such claims?

They don't check into your family tree. And you are technically hispanic I guess....it's stupid because what really matters is if you'll be a good doc or not. ANYWAYS


Can a white guy whose lineage is from Africa still be considered African-American? He certainly is! And what about pale white russians who are technically in the northern asian continent...they're asians technically.


I want to write a letter like that to Jesse Jackson lol

 

[UAAWolf]

How ironic. I want the best possible physicians, how is that being illogical? I want them extremely intelligent and talented, I don't care what color they are.

Again, MOST. I know there are two boxes, i'm saying there should only be one possibility to obtain that extra boost in the application process, and that's by being poor. Skin color does not matter.

How bout this, if Tiger Wood's kid tries to apply to medical school one day, would you consider him disadvantaged and in need of "bonus points" in the application process?

You are 100% right. POOR matters, skin color DOES NOT. A rich black kid is not at a disadvantage lol...a poor white kid DEFINITELY is!!!!

And dude who cares...my new philosophy is that if they were just accepted because of their URM status and didn't deserve it the system will weed them out if they do horrible in medical school. Not saying URM's do bad but I mean if they didn't deserve to be there the system will weed them out (it should at least...all that matters is that you're the best at your job IMO)

 

[WhizoMD]

Again, MOST. I know there are two boxes, i'm saying there should only be one possibility to obtain that extra boost in the application process, and that's by being poor. Skin color does not matter.

How bout this, if Tiger Wood's kid tries to apply to medical school one day, would you consider him disadvantaged and in need of "bonus points" in the application process?

"Underrepresented in medicine means those racial and ethnic populations that are underrepresented in the medical profession relative to their numbers in the general population."

nothing about socioeconomic background in that definition.......

How ironic. I want the best possible physicians, how is that being illogical? I want them extremely intelligent and talented, I don't care what color they are.

If there were a direct +1 correlation between mcat/gpa and physician effectiveness, there'd be no need to have doctors at all, we could just program computers to do the job. There is obviously more to being a good doctor than raw stats.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

1) nothing about socioeconomic background in that definition.......



2) If there were a direct +1 correlation between mcat/gpa and physician effectiveness, there'd be no need to have doctors at all, we could just program computers to do the job. There is obviously more to being a good doctor than raw stats.

1) I know, and that's sad. I don't want some under-qualified kid to be a doctor because "hey, there aren't enough people of his color in medicine". If he actually is qualified, he'll get in anyways, no need for the URM status.

2) Completely agree, so lets just look for the best doctors possible. Let's consider their academic accomplishments, their EC's, their research, and their interview. No need to look at superficial nonsense like skin color.

 

[WhizoMD]

1) I know, and that's sad. I don't want some under-qualified kid to be a doctor because "hey, there aren't enough people of his color in medicine". If he actually is qualified, he'll get in anyways, no need for the URM status.

2) Completely agree, so lets just look for the best doctors possible. Let's consider their academic accomplishments, their EC's, their research, and their interview. No need to look at superficial nonsense like skin color.

1.) getting into medical school != doctor, there are many more opportunities after med school admission to get weeded out if you're incompetent.

also, even though URM's get in with lower stats it doesn't mean they aren't qualified, the adcoms do a very good job of picking students who will be able to successfully complete the curriculum.

In order to become a doctor you have to graduate from medical school, complete a residency program, and pass board exams. Getting into medical school is just the start.

2). It would be nice if skin color was truly "superficial nonsense" as it is in science, but from a social perspective we aren't there yet. If it were truly superficial we wouldn't see the disparities that exist today in many areas.

 

[slowbutsteady]

How ironic. I want the best possible physicians, how is that being illogical? I want them extremely intelligent and talented, I don't care what color they are.

Again, MOST. I know there are two boxes, i'm saying there should only be one possibility to obtain that extra boost in the application process, and that's by being poor. Skin color does not matter.

How bout this, if Tiger Wood's kid tries to apply to medical school one day, would you consider him disadvantaged and in need of "bonus points" in the application process?

Again, you DO know that Stephen Colbert is a liberal pretending to be a conservative. Right?

 

[slowbutsteady]

I'm ignorant? Are you kidding? You're blatantly racist and i'm the ignorant one. Awesome.

Why did you think I was referring to you by saying that some posts reflect ignorance in this thread?

By racist, I assume you mean against white men?

You know you can get banned for calling someone a racist.

Mods?

 

[MedBoundForSure]

some folks are quick to say skin color doesn't matter. That's an easy assumption when one has never been negatively discriminated against based on it.

Hey having a full head of hair at 20 doesn't matter, but then again I have never been bald. That analogy might be a reach...

 

[slowbutsteady]

Poll about Stephen Colbert:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/stephen-colbert-thrilled-_n_209713.html

 

[UAAWolf]

some folks are quick to say skin color doesn't matter. That's an easy assumption when one has never been negatively discriminated against based on it.

Hey having a full head of hair at 20 doesn't matter, but then again I have never been bald. That analogy might be a reach...

Um everyone is a minority somewhere. If you are white, and ever been to an area that is 99% black, you WILL be discriminated in someway by SOMEONE there.

EVERYONE GETS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMETIMES!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone wishes they are different at some point in their life...whether its their skin color, looks, muscular build, height, baldness, WHATEVER.

 

[MedBoundForSure]

Um everyone is a minority somewhere. If you are white, and ever been to an area that is 99% black, you WILL be discriminated in someway by SOMEONE there.

EVERYONE GETS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMETIMES!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone wishes they are different at some point in their life...whether its their skin color, looks, muscular build, height, baldness, WHATEVER.

that's why I said negatively discriminated against. Something beyond lets get that rich white boy because come on I'd rather be targeted for assumed richness than assumed crackheaded poorness or what have you.

 

[Narmerguy]

Do what you gotta do dude. Don't talk to us about it.

 

[Perrotfish]

Also, don't you think DIVERSITY is good? Diversity brings new insights into a professional field.

I don't care about diversity of race, because I don't think skin color is a meaningful way to differentiate between one person and another. There is nothing about your skin pigmentation that affects what you bring to the the table. It's like making sure the school has a diverse representation of eyebrow thicknesses. Do thick eyebrowed people have insights that are different than thin eyebrowed people?

 

[WhizoMD]

I don't care about diversity of race, because I don't think skin color is a meaningful way to differentiate between one person and another. There is nothing about your skin pigmentation that affects what you bring to the the table. It's like making sure the school has a diverse representation of eyebrow thicknesses. Do thick eyebrowed people have insights that are different than thin eyebrowed people?

yep, lets completely ignore the history associated with those skin pigmentations, and the current disparities that exist between people with different skin pigmentation. 🙄

 

[LizzyM]

Please consider, too, the history of medical services and medical research in America and consider that many people of color do not trust (white) doctors.

 

[MedBoundForSure]

Please consider, too, the history of medical services and medical research in America and consider that many people of color do not trust (white) doctors.

my grandparents don't at all! They always think the docs are trying experimentsl drugs on them to see if it kills people, think they don't understand their health problems or feel like the doctors secretly don't care and are only treating them to make a buck. It's hard to hear.

 

[StormingWynn]

How ironic. I want the best possible physicians, how is that being illogical? I want them extremely intelligent and talented, I don't care what color they are.

Again, MOST. I know there are two boxes, i'm saying there should only be one possibility to obtain that extra boost in the application process, and that's by being poor. Skin color does not matter.

How bout this, if Tiger Wood's kid tries to apply to medical school one day, would you consider him disadvantaged and in need of "bonus points" in the application process?

No, I'd agree that Tiger's kid doesn't need bonus points, but you're missing the point of the program. Yes, there are some people who take advantage of program, but there are much much more who undoubtedly need it. Also, intelligent and talented doesn't equal good doctor. A good doctor is determined by their work ethic, just like in all other professions. What good is it to be the most intelligent and talented person when you can't even relate to your patient and give them the best care possible with the most ease of connection?

1) I know, and that's sad. I don't want some under-qualified kid to be a doctor because "hey, there aren't enough people of his color in medicine". If he actually is qualified, he'll get in anyways, no need for the URM status.

2) Completely agree, so lets just look for the best doctors possible. Let's consider their academic accomplishments, their EC's, their research, and their interview. No need to look at superficial nonsense like skin color.

Again, people will most likely want to be treated by someone who looks like them. Especially the less educated a person is.

Um everyone is a minority somewhere. If you are white, and ever been to an area that is 99% black, you WILL be discriminated in someway by SOMEONE there.

EVERYONE GETS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMETIMES!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone wishes they are different at some point in their life...whether its their skin color, looks, muscular build, height, baldness, WHATEVER.

We are talking about the US here and that's what matters.

I don't care about diversity of race, because I don't think skin color is a meaningful way to differentiate between one person and another. There is nothing about your skin pigmentation that affects what you bring to the the table. It's like making sure the school has a diverse representation of eyebrow thicknesses. Do thick eyebrowed people have insights that are different than thin eyebrowed people?

But, skin color is the most reliable way to determine someones different insights. Why, because most likely they were raised in different areas. It's called self segregation. Blacks hang out with blacks, Hispanics with Hispanics, whites with whites, etc.. When that happens, different views of things tend to be made.

And LizzyM, Great POINT!

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

No, I'd agree that Tiger's kid doesn't need bonus points, but you're missing the point of the program. Yes, there are some people who take advantage of program, but there are much much more who undoubtedly need it. Also, intelligent and talented doesn't equal good doctor. A good doctor is determined by their work ethic, just like in all other professions. What good is it to be the most intelligent and talented person when you can't even relate to your patient and give them the best care possible with the most ease of connection?

Again, people will most likely want to be treated by someone who looks like them. Especially the less educated a person is.

That's what i meant by talented, i meant talented as a physician. An excellent communicator, good bed-side manner.

Perhaps many people do, but would you sacrifice the *quality of your doctor for skin color? I would not, and i don't think anyone should.

*quality - in this case meaning their ability to diagnose and treat illness/injury/whatever.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

Why did you think I was referring to you by saying that some posts reflect ignorance in this thread?

By racist, I assume you mean against white men?

You know you can get banned for calling someone a racist.

Mods?

But you can call people ignorant?

And i don't even need to call you a racist, it's evident all through-out your previous posts.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

yep, lets completely ignore the history associated with those skin pigmentations, and the current disparities that exist between people with different skin pigmentation. 🙄

If you were going in to have a tumor removed from your brain, would you want the best surgeon available or one that matched your skin color?

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

Correct, or how we "feel."

And anyone who criticizes someone for using a legitimate "leg up" in this process is being totally and completely disingenuous. Like you don't take any possible leg up available to you.

Ridiculous.

The URM "advantage" is a legal and important means to increase diversity in medicine.

I highly doubt that most underrepresented minorities have felt that they have had a whole lot of advantages in life up to this point.

The reason they are underrepresented is because WHITE MALES are "overrepresented!!!!"

You have been stealing other people's rightful places in med school, law school, jobs, etc. for 220 years.

It is time you give them back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White males' piece of the American pie has been bigger than they deserve, and it is time to set it right.

And if this generation of white males "suffers" as a result, TOO BAD!!! Your days of entitlement are over.

So stop your freaking, self-serving whining about whether the OP is "Hispanic enough" for you.

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY.

 

[The Poet Sings]

http://www.case.edu/president/aaction/UnpackingTheKnapsack.pdf

i think that some people on here could benefit from reading this. it's about white privilege. i hope it's not too off-topic...

but to keep my post at least half relevant, OP you should check every box you identify with.

 

[slowbutsteady]

But you can call people ignorant?

And i don't even need to call you a racist, it's evident all through-out your previous posts.

You haven't commented on my Stephen Colbert point.

Admit it, you thought he was a right winger like you, rather than a comedian making fun of right wingers like you.

You really need to change your avatar.

 

[TaylorMDhopeful]

1) I know, and that's sad. I don't want some under-qualified kid to be a doctor because "hey, there aren't enough people of his color in medicine". If he actually is qualified, he'll get in anyways, no need for the URM status.

2) Completely agree, so lets just look for the best doctors possible. Let's consider their academic accomplishments, their EC's, their research, and their interview. No need to look at superficial nonsense like skin color.

Under-qualified people of any race do not become doctors. Once you pass medical school and your certification then you are qualified by the measures established in the U.S. for competency in each specialty. Once in medical school each person must take the same tests. There is no URM cell biology test vs ORM test that is curved differently. If a person, regardless of race or background, finishes their medical training then they are capable.

The best possible doctors are not measured by a college pre-med club, how much volunteer work they do, or having a high GPA or MCAT score. That says nothing about how well you will do later in life. Its just set up as a measure for competency to start medical school. I would venture to argue that if you can get above the low 20s on the MCAT and have a decent GPA then you can pass medical school with hard work. People do it all the time. Schools like Howard, Meharry and Morehouse have avg MCAT scores around 24-25 yet their students still pass the USMLE and go on to become doctors in various specialties (ROADS and all).

Um everyone is a minority somewhere. If you are white, and ever been to an area that is 99% black, you WILL be discriminated in someway by SOMEONE there.

EVERYONE GETS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMETIMES!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone wishes they are different at some point in their life...whether its their skin color, looks, muscular build, height, baldness, WHATEVER.

Lol, thats a very roundabout argument. There will always be someone in the world who will discriminate against you based on something about you, sure. but in the US there is an advantage given because there are large minority communities in this country that lack medical care. The same thing is done for some Asian ethnic groups (Hmong) out west. They are given preference where their people need doctors desperately. I think that it is necessary until 1.)The country fixes its priorities and we start to allot more money to education, housing and fixing underserved communities 2.)URM doctors are not URM anymore.

 

[searun]

You haven't commented on my Stephen Colbert point.

Admit it, you thought he was a right winger like you, rather than a comedian making fun of right wingers like you.

You really need to change your avatar.

Those of us who are descendants of the Nez Perce tribe in the Wallowa Mountains of Oregon are a little more accomodating of alternative points of view. Relax. You do not have a monopoly on truth.

 

[UAAWolf]

Please consider, too, the history of medical services and medical research in America and consider that many people of color do not trust (white) doctors.

I agree they may relate more to people of their culture, BUT- it is absolutely racist of them to feel that way.

 

[BBender716]

I agree they may relate more to people of their culture, BUT- it is absolutely racist of them to feel that way.

Agreed, if by "feel that way", you mean "not trusting". Do the racism check and reverse it: if many white people did not trust doctors who were people of color, would that be racist?

...yes.

 

[UAAWolf]

Agreed, if by "feel that way", you mean "not trusting". Do the racism check and reverse it: if many white people did not trust doctors who were people of color, would that be racist?

...yes.

Exactly my point

 

[RogueUnicorn]

do you even know what tuskegee is? if your grandparents or someone you knew was involved in that, how well would you trust a white doctor? i love it when the clueless bandy about terms like racism...

 

[Ischemic]

I agree they may relate more to people of their culture, BUT- it is absolutely racist of them to feel that way.

LOL ... ever think why they started thinking like this in the first place? I mean you don't just become a racist ... something has to be done to you for you to feel like that. And I wonder what could have ever happened ... 🙄

Also, way to be culturally competent in your comment. You gonna ask a muslim woman why she's being difficult and not wanting to be examined by you, a male doctor or maybe berate an asian patient because they prefer homeopathic medicine to pill-popping?

 

[StormingWynn]

That's what i meant by talented, i meant talented as a physician. An excellent communicator, good bed-side manner.

Perhaps many people do, but would you sacrifice the *quality of your doctor for skin color? I would not, and i don't think anyone should.

*quality - in this case meaning their ability to diagnose and treat illness/injury/whatever.

You do realize, like a lot of people on here have said, people who pass the Medical board test are equally qualified to do the job as anyone else who passes them, right?

 

[slowbutsteady]

You do realize, like a lot of people on here have said, people who pass the Medical board test are equally qualified to do the job as anyone else who passes them, right?

👍

Apparently, he does not realize that.

 

[UAAWolf]

do you even know what tuskegee is? if your grandparents or someone you knew was involved in that, how well would you trust a white doctor? i love it when the clueless bandy about terms like racism...

Therefore it is ok for minorites to be racist and not for whites. Wait...K thx bye.

LOL ... ever think why they started thinking like this in the first place? I mean you don't just become a racist ... something has to be done to you for you to feel like that. And I wonder what could have ever happened ... 🙄

Also, way to be culturally competent in your comment. You gonna ask a muslim woman why she's being difficult and not wanting to be examined by you, a male doctor or maybe berate an asian patient because they prefer homeopathic medicine to pill-popping?

Extremely intelligent extrapolation. All I said is that it is racist of them to choose doctors based on skin color. This is undebatable fact. However, one must do the best in any situation. Obviously you would work to connect with the patient and gain their trust if they felt that way...but this absolutely does not change the fact that they may be racist against white physicians. That was my point. That is all. Please go back and find the part where I said I would yell at an Asian lady for taking homeopathic meds plz.

 

[Morsetlis]

Even Asian doctors don't yell at Asian ladies for taking homeopathic meds.

 

[Rach83]

All I said is that it is racist of them to choose doctors based on skin color. This is undebatable fact. However, one must do the best in any situation. Obviously you would work to connect with the patient and gain their trust if they felt that way...but this absolutely does not change the fact that they may be racist against white physicians. That was my point.

I'm not sure why some of you keep saying that choosing a doctor you are most comfortable with is racist. In high school and college, you look around and often you see little cliques of asian kids hanging out, AA kids, hispanic kids, and white kids forming little groups. Are they all racist because they happen to be more comfortable with one another due to the things they have in common? I don't think so.... so why then would it be racist for a patient to prefer a doctor that they might feel more comfortable with (especially since being a patient is already uncomfortable, these things might take on more importance)?

On another note, if you disagree with me, and think that being more comfortable with those who share your background IS racist, then my problem here is that certain "racists" aren't being forced to challenge their racism because they will have no trouble finding an ORM doctor. Not sure why it's fair for the elderly black man to have to get over his discomfort with white docs, when white and asian patients rarely have to go out of that comfort zone. I don't personally think these people are necessarily racist for being more comfortable with ORM docs, as per the paragraph above I don't throw that term around easily, just saying that it's easy to say an AA patient should just get over the discomfort without thinking about how difficult it would be for some whites and asians to go to an AA doc. Fortunately for them, they do not have to struggle with that reality.

 

[HawaiiHereICome]

http://fora.tv/2009/04/16/Race_vs_Class_The_Future_of_Affirmative_Action




Some might suggest that most beneficiaries of Aff.Action are not poor.

---------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saIVafSC38k

 

[HawaiiHereICome]

I'm not sure why some of you keep saying that choosing a doctor you are most comfortable with is racist. In high school and college, you look around and often you see little cliques of asian kids hanging out, AA kids, hispanic kids, and white kids forming little groups. Are they all racist because they happen to be more comfortable with one another due to the things they have in common? I don't think so.... so why then would it be racist for a patient to prefer a doctor that they might feel more comfortable with (especially since being a patient is already uncomfortable, these things might take on more importance)?

On another note, if you disagree with me, and think that being more comfortable with those who share your background IS racist, then my problem here is that certain "racists" aren't being forced to challenge their racism because they will have no trouble finding an ORM doctor. Not sure why it's fair for the elderly black man to have to get over his discomfort with white docs, when white and asian patients rarely have to go out of that comfort zone. I don't personally think these people are necessarily racist for being more comfortable with ORM docs, as per the paragraph above I don't throw that term around easily, just saying that it's easy to say an AA patient should just get over the discomfort without thinking about how difficult it would be for some whites and asians to go to an AA doc. Fortunately for them, they do not have to struggle with that reality.

So if I owned a pharmacy, knew my customers preferred non-black pharmacists [they "trusted them more"], then consequently never hired black pharmacists that wouldn't be racist - racial discrimination. Ridiculous

dis·crim·i·na·tion

   /dɪˌskrɪm

əˈneɪ

ʃən/ Show Spelled[dih-skrim-uh-ney-shuh

n] Show IPA
–noun1.an act or instance of discriminating.
2.treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class,or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3.the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4.Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.

 

[Rach83]

So if I owned a pharmacy, knew my customers preferred non-black pharmacists [they "trusted them more"], then consequently never hired black pharmacists that wouldn't be racist - racial discrimination. Ridiculous

Well I think there is a difference between you deliberately choosing not to hire qualified black pharmacists and a black person walking up to the pharmacy, seeing a white person and a black person behind the counter, and instinctively feeling more comfortable choosing the black pharmacist for assistance (same for an asian, white, hispanic person gravitating to specific people).

Maybe I'm way off assuming that this comfort level is somewhat normal (and often is unavoidable esp for older people) since I am not black and have lived in enough different countries/cities/cultures that I personally feel comfortable with pretty much anyone. Just seems to make sense to me, the same way I wouldn't blame a little person for being more comfortable seeing a doctor who also was a little person.

 

[slowbutsteady]

Is a women sexist because she prefers a female doctor?

no

Is a man sexist because he prefers a male doctor?

yes

 

[slowbutsteady]

Is a black person racist because he/she prefers a black doctor?

no

Is a white person racist because he/she prefers a white doctor?

yes

 

[sprintuser]

Are Asians, specifically Vietnamese people, considered a minority?

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Therefore it is ok for minorites to be racist and not for whites. Wait...K thx bye.

lol right. you can write of centuries of complete fcked up history with "it's still not ok for them to be RACIST!!!" thanks for the reductionism. the sad part here isn't that you'll never get it, it's that you think you already do. kthxbye.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

If you were going in to have a tumor removed from your brain, would you want the best surgeon available or one that matched your skin color?

Do you mind posting your stats?

And I think you are forgetting that to be a good surgeon you have to pass the boards and residency. So they would be highly qualified regardless.

 

[298609]

law and order on tnt (i think) was all about AA last night. there was this black guy who murdered someone and his lawyer was arguing "AA pressure to be better than everyone because if he was just average people would say he got the position because he was black" made him do it.

beyond the scope of the ridiculous argument made by the lawyer (but i mean, he's a defense lawyer, kind of his job) jack mccoy and he had an excellent couple of discussions on AA and it's fairness or lack thereof.


yes, i know, it's just a tv show...