Can I get into medical school with just average grades/mcat?

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The fact that you are listed as pre-dent and are already interested in the "competitive" specialties such as Derm seems like a flag to me that the lifestyle/money are strong drivers. If this is the case, my personal advice to you is to go for dentistry, as you have a better shot of comfort in that field. But if you think medicine will fulfill you go for it. With your GPA, you will be fine as long as you get the average matriculating MCAT score, which I believe is now slightly above 32.
 
I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this: there are only 19k seats for 42k applicants. They will not take anyone with a pulse.

wow getting into medicine in america is ridiculously easy then. Back in Pakistan. where I'm from, there are some 4000 seats for some 50K applications.
 
wow getting into medicine in america is ridiculously easy then. Back in Pakistan. where I'm from, there are some 4000 seats for some 50K applications.

This is a joke, right?
 
Well since I want to be the best I'll leave my school and head to Pakistan...lmfao
 
This is a joke, right?

Nopes not a joke. And yes everywhere in this world except the US and canada does the combined UG and med school. Infact, the med school degree that you do there is itself termed a "bachelors of medicine", so med school really is treated as an undergrad (my humanity courses in undergrad don't really contribute to my becoming a doctor anyway so if you think about it, that's just an extra 4 years of schooling...u don't need a 4 year degree for a years worth of premed class 😛) . And besides, the high schools there are much more accelerated as far as the material goes (which is really a shame). The generic high school education that everyone gets is the equivalent of AP high school courses. So in a way students are prepared to go to medical school straight after highschool itself. For example, after my highschool, I received college equivalent credit for my high school coursework for gen chem 1 and 2 with labs, General biology 1 and 2, Physics 1 and 2 with labs, and calc 1 and 2. So even when I applied here, my med school prereq credits all came from my coursework in Pakistan. Anyway, so yea they have a 5 year medical school program after highschool. And what usually most international students from India and Pakistan do is that they take their USMLE exams after med school. Most of them do fairly well too considering that they take a good 3 - 6 months to prepare for the exam. It's almost unheard of for anyone to get less than the 90th percentile score (95+ percentile is the norm).

There are ofcourse advantages and disadvantages to going through that system. The biggest advantage is that you don't end up under HUGE HUGE HUGE amounts of debt (about 1 or 2 thousand dollars a year for tuition). And you save 2 - 3 years of your life. My sister, who went through that route and is now a practicing doctor in Boston, was done with med school at 24 and residency at 28 ish.

On the other hand, the biggest disadvantage ofcourse is that if you've been educated internationally there is little to no chance of you getting into any competitive residency program. If you want to go into something like internal medicine then it works out. But radiology, dermatology, even surgery, you can just forget about all of that.

Though there is a lot more clinical exposure in pakistan. Much less rules that you need to follow lolz...and more or less no such thing as ever getting sued. Oh and u have a plethora of dead bodies to dissect.

And I really wasn't kidding about the competition. Imagine a country with a population of 170 million where everyone grows up either wanting to become an engineer, a doctor, or rarely a business student. There is usually no 4th acceptable career option - parental expectations normally don't allow it. And ofcourse the most desirable profession is medicine so most people are brain washed from a fairly early age to want to become doctors. And there is little to no concept of "exploring one's interest" in those countries. When I came here to america, exploring different subjects was a somewhat novel concept to me. It's interesting how almost all students pick a career track in 9th grade. They either choose pre-engineering subjects, pre-medicine subjects, or pre-business (sometimes pre-law too). So really you make that decision of what you want to do for the rest of your life when your around 16. So combine a lot of students going for medicine with the fact that there are not as many medical schools in the country...then you get absurd competition where about 92% of those trying don't make it and have to do something else 🙂

There's a reason that Indians are over represented in medical schools, our parents still truly believe that there are only 2 or 3 respectable professions. And most of us are expected to end up in one of these professions. Anything else would be the equivalent of disappointing a lot of people.
 
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So much for getting a broad, liberal education then... I'll stick with my four years of time to become educated in a wide range of arts and sciences with personal freedom to pursue intellectual interests, thank you.


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wow getting into medicine in america is ridiculously easy then. Back in Pakistan. where I'm from, there are some 4000 seats for some 50K applications.

wow getting into medical school in pakistan is ridiculously easy then. Back in America. where I'm from, there were some 62000 jobs for some 938K applications for McDonalds.
 
wow getting into medical school in pakistan is ridiculously easy then. Back in America. where I'm from, there were some 62000 jobs for some 938K applications for McDonalds.

Bad analogy, bad argument. Although it isn't easy to become a doctor in the U.S. these Pakistani and Indian Med schools are extremely competitive and they don't rely on the fluffy exyracurriulars that US schools do. Plus an above poster is correct, those kids are born and raised to be either an engineer or doctor, they don't take gap years for the most part. Two totally different lifestyles.
 
Bad analogy, bad argument. Although it isn't easy to become a doctor in the U.S. these Pakistani and Indian Med schools are extremely competitive and they don't rely on the fluffy exyracurriulars that US schools do. Plus an above poster is correct, those kids are born and raised to be either an engineer or doctor, they don't take gap years for the most part. Two totally different lifestyles.

it still doesnt make US admissions "easy". The absolute best and brightest (or at least a subset of) of students in the US apply and have difficulty getting in and still do not always make it. There is only so far that you can increase a GPA or an MCAT score. The extra curriculars are important because by stats alone medschools are already selecting the top 10% - and that is of those who attempt (not apply, but go through the motions and take the mcat) I am not sure what the %ile is of those who apply.

Also, what does it cost to apply to med school in those countries? I am just curious. I know that if we dropped the insane application process and cost - made it just a paper with 'name, GPA, MCAT" that we would have WAY more yearly applicants. Filling out AMCAS is a weed-out process in and of itself :meanie:
 
Bad analogy, bad argument. Although it isn't easy to become a doctor in the U.S. these Pakistani and Indian Med schools are extremely competitive and they don't rely on the fluffy exyracurriulars that US schools do. Plus an above poster is correct, those kids are born and raised to be either an engineer or doctor, they don't take gap years for the most part. Two totally different lifestyles.

note how the wording was very similar. and yeah you're right, us med schools are definitely not as competitive and solely rely on fluffy exyracurriulars.
 
People make this argument, but if you look in the What Are My Chances? subforum you'll see that SDN is quite reasonable in "chancing" applicants that have normal numbers.

Going by the main Nature journal and the main Cell journal, Nature has a higher impact factor. 😛

I have noticed pre-meds tow the "you must have a 6.7 GPA and a 84 on your MCAT to get in" line more so than actual med students. Well premed and the recently accepted, but yet to start med students.
 
I don't understand this question?

There is nothing magical going on when medical schools say, "our students have an average 3.6+ GPA and 31+ MCAT." If you have those stats then you can get into their school. That is their average score for someone accepted.

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So much for getting a broad, liberal education then... I'll stick with my four years of time to become educated in a wide range of arts and sciences with personal freedom to pursue intellectual interests, thank you.


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lolz I would choose the broad, liberal education route myself too. It changes one's perspective on life. That's why I'm over here starting med school right now vs over there finishing up med school *humph*...yay I get my 40K loan for the first year in a few weeks too! Can't wait 😀 😀 😀
 
LOL take a look around at all the new trash med schools opening, both MD and DO. It has become a joke to get accepted to those programs. Somebody posted in another thread that the average matriculant at places like PCOM is a 3.4/28. You telling me that you cant get into a bottom 25% DO program with a 3.4/26? BS!

Yes, if you want a top 50 allopathic program, then a 3.4/26 wont cut it. But a top 50 allopathic program only accounts for about 25% of all medical schools in the United States. The bottom 25% of schools will take anyone with a pulse.


False.

And I think "top" medical schools are overrated.
 

They are ranked with significant weight given to research funds from NIH. This has nothing to do with the caliber of the medical education and training provided at schools.
 
Exactly. A PhD from a top medical school is more meaningful in terms of ranking-weighted effects on training than the MD. Even then, some of the top labs in my field are not even at top 50 medical schools. So I am not sure getting a PhD from a low-ranked school is a "negative". There are good students everywhere.

They are ranked with significant weight given to research funds from NIH. This has nothing to do with the caliber of the medical education and training provided at schools.
 
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