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Can I practice in Mexico?

Discussion in 'General Residency Issues' started by johndoe44, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. johndoe44

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    Okay, so everyone's knows my situation and that I resigned. I'm wondering if anyone knows how I could be employed and work as a physician in Mexico?

    I cannot really find much info on the web about this.

    I have an MD, passed all 3 steps and completed one year of internship. Is that enough to work abroad and if so where and how do I apply?
     
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  3. link2swim06

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    Are you 100% fluent in spanish?
     
  4. johndoe44

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    Moderate, better with medical Spanish.
     
  5. johndoe44

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    Does no one know about practicing anywhere abroad?
     
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    When you say moderate do you mean you can order dinner in spanish or do you mean you would be comfortable explaining a complex medical pt to a specialist over a crappy phone signal?

    I don't think you would survive in a foreign system unless you have fully mastered the language. Let me put it this way. If step 1/2/or 3 were all wrote in spanish would your score decrease significantly? Would you be able to do all of step 2 cs in spanish or would have issues with it?

    If you answered yes to either of these I think you are going to have a hard time there.

    I don't know much about practicing overseas but I'd think going to an english speaking country would be a million times easier.
     
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    1. You started this thread less than 12 hours ago, and on a Friday. It's a residency forum; most people are working, on-call, post-call, etc. Give people a few days to log in to SDN and comment.
    2. Most people here are only familiar with the US medical system and don't know much about practice abroad; the international forums may be of more use in this regard.
     
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    Smurfalicious? I'll bet you have a lot of cats.
     
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    That was an uncalled for insult.

    What she was telling you was the truth. Responding with an insult is not only a TOS violation, but doesn't generate a lot of empathy and interest in helping you from other users.
     
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    not the best way to get people to help you…and if this is the attitude that popped up in the icu…well…things make a little more sense...
     
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    I think your best bet is getting some advice from MDesquire
     
  12. BoardingDoc

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    I literally LOLed at home.
     
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    I really do not get you feel the need to be hostile. If you want people to just agree with you, get some friends who have no real idea who think you probably speak Spanish “very well” and go with that. If you are not fluent, you are going to have a really hard time getting through in Mexico. Especially when the pressure is on, the tone and pace is going to increase drastically.
     
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    To OP; call Mexico up and explain that you have completed your steps and you're ready to start working.
     
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    I would suggest just skipping the border and seeing if a clinic in Cuidad Juarez will hire you "off the books." I don't see why this plan wouldn't work in reverse. Besides, "medicine" is a loosely defined term outside of the first world. Or maybe you could pull bullets for the cartel. This is very exciting, I can't wait to read the memoirs or the obituary.
     
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    I just graduated from a school in Mexico, and plan (fingers crossed) to match in the states this year. USMLE doesn´t have any weight down here, other than looking good on a resume. You need to get your diploma certified by SEP to get a medical license. This is hard. Be prepared to turn in a translated, apostilled copies of your academic record since first grade, yes as in when you were 5 (or however old you are in first grade). Help from a lawyer familiar with the process would probably greatly help. Getting a work visa is another obstacle to overcome, not familiar with this process as I am here on a student visa.

    http://www.sep.gob.mx/es/sep1/Estudios_Obtenidos_en_el_Extranjero_yo_por_Extranjeros_Nivel_Licenciatura#.VBILnaP4K4Q
     
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    Man, I was just kidding. No, this is not the attitude I had in the ICU; this forum apparently has a system in place "TOS violation" that appears to work better than our resident evaluation system. Anyway, that is in the past.

    I'm not a rude guy, my world is falling apart, I want an anvil to drop on my head in the morning and I honestly don't have a pot to piss in so yeah I am not really myself lately. Not that any of you "program directors" really give a S^&T, its just another day at the office. When I saw my PD for a serious conversation the Monday after he claimed victory by getting me to sign my resignation he started the conversation " I had a really nice, relaxing weekend. Much needed time swimming with the grand kids and just having a beautiful Sunday." Well I am so very glad you haven't lost any sleep while my life is shattering. It was like having a conversation Monday morning after Sunday night football. "Hey, how about writing a letter that I can actually give another PD instead of the piece of garbage you gave me.

    I followed all the rules, I stood firm but wavered when I knew I was in for termination. Programs that I actually have a decent chance of getting a PGY 2 spot and writing me back but I have to "clear" this with him before he will send his letter; and this turd is CALLING THEM to speak about my inadequacies!! This guy is on my last nerve. In hind sight, I should have said screw it and lawyered up just to piss him off because really at this point my career that I love is gone, my wife is having to support the both of us, I can't find a job at all because an MD alone without business experience is worth much less than the 300K dollars I spent getting it. So yeah, that's my life. So I am so sorry that I am a little upset; and I am being honest I truly mean I am sorry for being upset. Honestly, now I am just angry. So angry I could scream and this whole ordeal was completely and utterly unjustifiable and the reality is there is nothing you can do except take it with a smile. All I know is Karma is a bitch and this prick will get what is coming to him one day.
     
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    If you are just venting on here as a "safe place" to be able to vent, that's one thing. You are biting the hands that are trying to help, but I can understand wanting to vent somewhere. If you even give a hint of this attitude when it comes to applying for a position for next year, it will come back to bite you. You are in a position that you now have the additional red flag of leaving a program.

    Yes, you are unhappy about the situation, but it is what it is now and you need to do your best to make that situation not hurt you to recover your career. You can expect that ANY pd will want to talk to your past pd, regardless of the letter you have just because of the nature of the situation. You want to remain on has much of your old PDs good side that you can to try and make it easy for you. In hind sight, no, you should not have lawyered up. Your career is not gone at this point, you do have a chance to recover. The lawyer option shoots that one away.

    As for it be unjustifiable, in almost all instances where this happens, there is more to the story. There is a good chance that there were problems with your performance that you did not have the insight to be able to see for yourself. You don't know what you don't know. Maybe they could have provided better feedback. Maybe you could have solicited more feedback during the rotation. I don't know, I wasn't there. Going forward where all of this is someone else's fault and you have no blame will NOT help you find another position. As @gutonc said in another thread, you need to go with your tail between your legs and look for those new positions. Don't blame others, don't make excuses. Just go out there and find a position that allows you continue to become a board certified physician.
     
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    Yep, your exactly right TG I am definitely using this as a "safe place" to vent. I just want to get back to work but can't and it is frustrating. One thing that I keep hearing though that is really redundant is this "lack of insight" that I seem to have. I honestly should have asked for more feedback but I didn't and the most cowardly thing any person can do is write a bunch of non-sense 2 weeks after a rotation ends so you don't have to face the person. You're absolutely right about one thing though, you cannot know what you do not know and that is the whole problem. I would expect anyone who has an issue with me to address it personally. If you cannot do that then I am sorry that that person does not like to be confrontational but I cannot stand passive aggressive people which seem to seem to comprise the medical system. "Oh I don't want to tell him XYZ because its uncomfortable, instead i'll just write a bunch of non sense on the evaluation and then I won't have to see him again."

    This is exactly what happened and apparently that does not bother anyone else? Actually, a lot of people think this is a good strategy and a good way to avoid confrontation. Well, if you honestly think that way then you do not belong in TEACHING medicine to anyone. You can be the smartest and best physician in the world but a terrible teacher which is what they pay these attendings to do. Again, just venting but also I believe there is a lot of truth to that.

    Regarding the last thing; blaming others. I make a conscious effort to own up to any mistake I have made and I take responsibility for what happened. It still does not make it right the way it went down. I definitely have humility and I will definitely go into my interviews professionally and address the issue and that will be that. However, gutonc I will not walk anywhere with my tail between my legs and beg for anything.
     
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