Can I put bodybuilding as EC on my app?

[dreamweaver1988]

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I don't do competitive bodybuilding but I would say it changed my life. Coming into college I weighed around 115 lbs. I started to weight lift heavy and use weight gainers and I gained almost 20 lbs of muscle and lean mass.

bod·y·build·ing

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noun the act or practice of exercising, lifting weights, etc., so as to develop the muscles of the body.


Edit: beaten by above!

Bodybuilding is lame

 

[deleted357625]

Sports change, though, as do the required parameters of involvement from their participants.

And if competition is the only thing that sets a bodybuilder apart from a regular huge-muscled person who works out, eats healthy, and does whatever else bodybuilding requires (minus the competition part), is it any skin off your back if he calls himself a bodybuilder?

I'm certain that you could explain, to an admissions committee or otherwise, why competing in bodybuilding is important to you and the impact the actual competitive sport has on your life. He can call it what he wants, and you can still be superior for competing, and that way no one's involvement is mitigated.

This reinforces my idea, those "regular huge-muscled" people are doing it wrong, that's the thing, it's not all about muscle, how much you bench, or people who claim they're on cycles of this or that which in reality there's no such thing as "cycles" because they're doing it wrong again etc, and that's how most people see it. The term bodybuilding is unknown to most people. I'll just leave it to that.

 

[tantacles]

This reinforces my idea, those "regular huge-muscled" people are doing it wrong, that's the thing, it's not all about muscle, how much you bench, or people who claim they're on cycles of this or that which in reality there's no such thing as "cycles" because they're doing it wrong again etc, and that's how most people see it. The term bodybuilding is unknown to most people. I'll just leave it to that.

Ok! That's great! I learned something! You have so much knowledge of the field that you're teaching someone who had no idea what bodybuilding was exactly what it is! You're an expert in bodybuilding. These people are novices. Clearly, though, some of them must be doing everything right EXCEPT competing, meaning that they are, in fact bodybuilding, right? Because they're doing what you do!

 

[sliceofbread136]

Ok. You're right. We don't understand, and I'm sorry about that, but I'd like to understand you better.

My question, though, is this: How much does it actually hurt you to have your sport associated with those people? I mean, you don't identify with them, right? I'd bet you certainly don't dress like them or style your hair like them based on the comment you just made. Are you worried that you'll be mixed up with them?

I guess I just see someone who competes as being on a different level than people who recreationally lift. To me it seems the word bodybuilding has recently grown to where it implies that you compete. Same with powerlifting. If you think you can classify yourself as a bodybuilder, then go ahead and do it. Many people are going to disagree with you though whether you like it or not.

 

[deleted357625]

Ok. You're right. We don't understand, and I'm sorry about that, but I'd like to understand you better.

My question is this: How much does it actually hurt you to have your sport associated with those people? I mean, you don't identify with them, right? I'd bet you certainly don't dress like them or style your hair like them based on the comment you just made. Are you worried that you'll be identified as one of them?

If so, by whom? By your fellow bodybuilders? Because presumably, they understand the sport and they understand you. I don't think you'd be mistaken for this kind of person at all.

By the layperson? Well, what does the layperson know about competitive bodybuilding? It's a golden opportunity for you to teach someone something new about a sport they've never even heard about.

By a medical school committee? You'll have a chance to explain yourself! And there's a good chance they've come into contact with bodybuilders before. With the correct mindset, though, your status as a competitive bodybuilder could really help you stand out!

So what harm does it actually do to you to acknowledge these people not as equals in bodybuilding prowess, but as people who practice bodybuilding noncompetitively?

It's stupid to associate with BB's when you they have no idea what the sport is, most people think taking protein shakes, and eating egg whites and working out a lot is what it's about. Also, and you even have the people who take advantage and inappropriately use "gear" and just bcuz of that it reinforces their idea of being a BB even more.

ADCOMS don't know so they'll go with it, and if they do they'll just laugh inside if they really knew.

No such thing......it's called working out.....that's what I'm saying, the term BB is referred to the sport to most people not just going to the gym and lifting weights or getting big. You guys don't know because y'all don't understand the sport or people who actually refer to them as BB's. Arnold was popular in the 70's bcuz of BB not working out, and no one referred to going to the gym as BB until now because idiots. So BB is a sport and that was the time and a little earlier before the 70's BB started to be used.

 

[deleted357625]

I guess I just see someone who competes as being on a different level than people who recreationally lift. To me it seems the word bodybuilding has recently grown to where it implies that you compete. Same with powerlifting. If you think you can classify yourself as a bodybuilder, then go ahead and do it. Many people are going to disagree with you though whether you like it or not.

No one knew what BB was until the 70's mainly when Arnold was around..and before or after that era no one referred to working out as BB, so BB is the sport not just the term to work out at the gym and drink your protein shakes.

Yea people laugh at those people deep inside because it's just plain disgusting.

 

[xBODOMx]

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[StoicJosher]

This reinforces my idea, those "regular huge-muscled" people are doing it wrong, that's the thing, it's not all about muscle, how much you bench, or people who claim they're on cycles of this or that which in reality there's no such thing as "cycles" because they're doing it wrong again etc, and that's how most people see it. The term bodybuilding is unknown to most people. I'll just leave it to that.

I agree - but you have to understand that there might be another group of people who know what bodybuilding is, does it right but choose not to compete in it as a sport..

 

[sliceofbread136]

That's why they are called PRO bodybuilders. Or IFBB pros or whatever their classification is.

There are amateur competitions too though. You can't deny that when you hear the word bodybuilding you think tan guys flexing for a crowd. Whether it's fair or not, a large number of gym goers equate bodybuilding with someone who competes.

 

[sliceofbread136]

I agree - but you have to understand that there might be another group of people who know what bodybuilding is, does it right but choose not to compete in it as a sport..

I would call that person a weightlifter. In the end it's all semantics.

 

[xBODOMx]

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[deleted357625]

Ok! That's great! I learned something! You have so much knowledge of the field that you're teaching someone who had no idea what bodybuilding was exactly what it is! You're an expert in bodybuilding. These people are novices. Clearly, though, some of them must be doing everything right EXCEPT competing, meaning that they are, in fact bodybuilding, right? Because they're doing what you do!

I don't think you understand my point it's really not difficult.

lmao no! it's not just competing that separates them, the working out, the eating, the anabolics they use...they are doing it wrong...they are called "gym rats", apparently you never been to the gym or don't even know the term. These "gym rats" are what I'm talking about that give BB a bad name, going to the gym doing all this stuff and never want to even step on stage. Looking BIG is a lot different on stage and in the mirror.

 

[deleted357625]

That's why they are called PRO bodybuilders. Or IFBB pros or whatever their classification is.

Exactly...thank you....do you the term after the IFBB or PRO?

This is like...if I go to the gym and I meet someone and they say they are a bodybuilder I will laugh, you just don't say it....BB is referred to the sport not just working out. This is what I'm saying, so simple.

It's like playing football at home, and you meet someone and say you play football.

 

[tantacles]

I guess I just see someone who competes as being on a different level than people who recreationally lift. To me it seems the word bodybuilding has recently grown to where it implies that you compete. Same with powerlifting. If you think you can classify yourself as a bodybuilder, then go ahead and do it. Many people are going to disagree with you though whether you like it or not.

Believe me: I'm no bodybuilder, regardless of your definition of the word. And I definitely agree with you that people who compete are on a different level than casual lifters.

But the problem here seems not to be the actual definition of the word, but rather the differing connotation it has inside and outside of the bodybuilding community. I'm pretty certain that if I said I were a bodybuilder, everyone would laugh. But I definitely know some people whom I doubt would get a laugh from anyone (anyone who doesn't think bodybuilding is a ridiculous sport without any redeeming quality, that is. We're ignoring those people for now, since they're not really relevant to this conversation) if they called themselves bodybuilders, whether or not they compete. And I really think the only people who would nitpick on this point are other bodybuilders.

So to be honest, I think most people who consider themselves bodybuilders and don't compete are ok with all of you laughing at them. They don't take the sport as seriously as you do, or even seriously at all, according to you, and perhaps they deserve your ridicule. I guess I just don't like the idea of belittling someone for doing something recreationally with no thought of competition because that's essentially what this is.

 

[deleted357625]

Yeah this, not all of us gel our hair, tan, cut our sleeves then hit the gym at 115lbs at 6'1". Stereotyping the entire BB community makes you look like a fool. We hate those kids too. They'll filter themselves out when their noob gains stop coming.

This is an example, you people take everything way too critical, think outside the box bro....omg it was a pure perception. Go head and picture a skinny or moderately built person, the same thing goes with them..

 

[tantacles]

I don't think you understand my point it's really not difficult.

lmao no! it's not just competing that separates them, the working out, the eating, the anabolics they use...they are doing it wrong...they are called "gym rats", apparently you never been to the gym or don't even know the term. These "gym rats" are what I'm talking about that give BB a bad name, going to the gym doing all this stuff and never want to even step on stage. Looking BIG is a lot different on stage and in the mirror.

But I'm not talking about gym rats. I'm talking about people who literally do what you do but simply don't compete. Not people who take anabolic steroids. People who do EVERYTHING that you do to keep in top condition but simply don't take it to the next level.

 

[deleted357625]

believe me: I'm no bodybuilder, regardless of your definition of the word. And i definitely agree with you that people who compete are on a different level than casual lifters.

But the problem here seems not to be the actual definition of the word, but rather the differing connotation it has inside and outside of the bodybuilding community. I'm pretty certain that if i said i were a bodybuilder, everyone would laugh. but i definitely know some people whom i doubt would get a laugh from anyone (anyone who doesn't think bodybuilding is a ridiculous sport without any redeeming quality, that is. We're ignoring those people for now, since they're not really relevant to this conversation) if they called themselves bodybuilders, whether or not they compete. And i really think the only people who would nitpick on this point are other bodybuilders.

So to be honest, i think most people who consider themselves bodybuilders and don't compete are ok with all of you laughing at them. They don't take the sport as seriously as you do, or even seriously at all, according to you, and perhaps they deserve your ridicule. I guess i just don't like the idea of belittling someone for doing something recreationally with no thought of competition because that's essentially what this is.

the only people who woudln't laugh is people on here because they have no idea....but yes...most people would laugh at you plain and simple, nothing to it.

 

[deleted357625]

But I'm not talking about gym rats. I'm talking about people who literally do what you do but simply don't compete. Not people who take anabolic steroids. People who do EVERYTHING that you do to keep in top condition but simply don't take it to the next level.

Those people too. Your not understanding, I hate the computer, it's hard to have that one-on-one communication to explain more thoroughly. I'll stop here, it's hard to talk about a topic like this over a forum ha

 

[sliceofbread136]

Believe me: I'm no bodybuilder, regardless of your definition of the word. And I definitely agree with you that people who compete are on a different level than casual lifters.

But the problem here seems not to be the actual definition of the word, but rather the differing connotation it has inside and outside of the bodybuilding community. I'm pretty certain that if I said I were a bodybuilder, everyone would laugh. But I definitely know some people whom I doubt would get a laugh from anyone (anyone who doesn't think bodybuilding is a ridiculous sport without any redeeming quality, that is. We're ignoring those people for now, since they're not really relevant to this conversation) if they called themselves bodybuilders, whether or not they compete. And I really think the only people who would nitpick on this point are other bodybuilders.

So to be honest, I think most people who consider themselves bodybuilders and don't compete are ok with all of you laughing at them. They don't take the sport as seriously as you do, or even seriously at all, according to you, and perhaps they deserve your ridicule. I guess I just don't like the idea of belittling someone for doing something recreationally with no thought of competition because that's essentially what this is.

I never said I belittled people who recreationally lift. I recreationally lift and am an average looking guy. You're right that the definition of who is a "bodybuilder" varies greatly by who you are talking to. I'm fine with someone calling themselves whatever they want, but some people are going to disagree with you. But in the end the only thing that matters is what YOU think. Back to the original question, on an application I would put that I was a weightlifter and not a bodybuilder as to avoid confusion.

And why are you being so defensive?

 

[ThirdEye]

I've been bodybuilding for 20 years and never competed. I don't call myself a bodybuilder because that's not my career, but I for sure do bodybuilding as a hobbie.

I do like the term weightlifter more, as stated above

 

[tantacles]

Those people too. Your not understanding, I hate the computer, it's hard to have that one-on-one communication to explain more thoroughly. I'll stop here, it's hard to talk about a topic like this over a forum ha

Ok. Well, I just want to bring up another example of something similar.

I think that most people would define being a drag queen as being a dude in a dress. That's pretty equivalent to the big anabolic steroid guy in this analogy.

People who know a little bit more about drag queens (or a lot more, for that matter) might say that drag queens are men who dress as women.

But among that elite subset of drag women who perform in front of an audience (presumably in some sort of stage-like venue), there are a significant number that refuse to refer to dudes in dresses, even the ones that glam themselves up, wear the seven inch stiletto heels, and have better bodies than Beyonce (or insert appropriate female celebrity here), as drag queens.

And I have some idea of why they do it. They do it because they feel that they're superior because they perform. Because a drag queen performs. And the fact that a drag queen performs gives her a higher status.

But I would wager that the only people laughing when those "drag queens" refuse to imbue non-performers with the title is to stroke their own egos. And I can guarantee you that the only ones enforcing that ridiculous standard are the drag queens themselves.

And that's what's happening here as well, insofar as I can tell. Your bodybuilding is clearly superior to whatever these other guys are doing, but if they call what they're doing bodybuilding, I guarantee it does you no harm. You'll still have whatever status is imbued upon you by being a competitive bodybuilder. But please stop telling people they're wrong to identify themselves with a title that shows how they like to spend their time.

 

[BiopsychStudent]

I think its really only appropriate to refer to yourself directly as as a "runner", "swimmer", or "body-builder" if you do it professionally or compete in some capacity. Maybe "weight-lifting" or "recreational body-building" might work as hobbies? Though I think its stupid to say a sport or hobby can't possibly be personally meaningful if you don't compete in some capacity.

But ultimately, what is the point of the hobbies section? There seems to be two schools of thought here:

1) Is it to give yourself a little personality so you don't look like every other lab-monkeying, African-baby-saving premed? In which case listing weight-lifting as a hobby is probably cool.

2) Or is it purely to showcase significant achievements? In which case "writing short-stories for fun" won't cut it and you better be published in the New Yorker.

 

[gettheleadout]

Those people too. Your not understanding, I hate the computer, it's hard to have that one-on-one communication to explain more thoroughly. I'll stop here, it's hard to talk about a topic like this over a forum ha

I think the problem here is that what you think of as the definition of bodybuilding is altered by your perspective from familiarity with the sport of bodybuilding. "Bodybuilding" as a general use term refers simply to (as Wikipedia puts it nicely) "a form of body modification involving intensive muscle hypertrophy."

Now you can argue that the term "means" whatever you want, but the literal definition refers to building the body up, typically for aesthetic appeal.

 

[tantacles]

I never said I belittled people who recreationally lift. I recreationally lift and am an average looking guy. You're right that the definition of who is a "bodybuilder" varies greatly by who you are talking to. I'm fine with someone calling themselves whatever they want, but some people are going to disagree with you. But in the end the only thing that matters is what YOU think. Back to the original question, on an application I would put that I was a weightlifter and not a bodybuilder as to avoid confusion.

And why are you being so defensive?

You're right; I am being a bit defensive. And really, I think it is belittling to laugh at people for calling themselves bodybuilders when, for all intents and purposes, they are. Chuckling a little at their expense, though, isn't exactly what I was talking about, and the other primary poster's comments about what they're doing not being bodybuilding but rather being something else were the ones I was responding to. You seem to have a very grounded view and recognize that people can call themselves whatever they want, which is really all that I was trying to get across.

 

[sliceofbread136]

I think its really only appropriate to refer to yourself directly as as a "runner", "swimmer", or "body-builder" if you do it professionally or compete in some capacity. Maybe "weight-lifting" or "recreational body-building" might work as hobbies?

But ultimately, what is the point of the hobbies section? There seems to be two schools of thought here:

1) Is it to give yourself a little personality so you don't look like every other lab-monkeying, african-baby-saving premed? In which case listing weight-lifting as a hobby is probably cool.

2) Or is it purely to showcase significant achievements? In which case "writing short-stories for fun" won't cut it and you better be published in the New Yorker.

Hobbies are generally used to show you have something to help you cope with the stresses of medical school, and it makes you appear more well rounded.

 

[tantacles]

I think its really only appropriate to refer to yourself directly as as a "runner", "swimmer", or "body-builder" if you do it professionally or compete in some capacity. Maybe "weight-lifting" or "recreational body-building" might work as hobbies? Though I think its stupid to say a sport or hobby can't possibly be personally meaningful if you don't compete in some capacity.

But ultimately, what is the point of the hobbies section? There seems to be two schools of thought here:

1) Is it to give yourself a little personality so you don't look like every other lab-monkeying, African-baby-saving premed? In which case listing weight-lifting as a hobby is probably cool.

2) Or is it purely to showcase significant achievements? In which case "writing short-stories for fun" won't cut it and you better be published in the New Yorker.

Good arguments all.

 

[BenzylAcetate]

*youtube imbedding fail*

 

[wlee43]

Some of u seem butthurt that u have run of the mil hobbies to list no one cares about. U mad?

 

[druggeek]

Of course put it on there. I myself do competitive powerlifting, but I strive to have a top notch physique.

 

[varsityblue]

No, it's not weird to list bodybuilding as an EC. E.g., if I have room, I'll put down recreational cooking.

 

[sliceofbread136]

Of course put it on there. I myself do competitive powerlifting, but I strive to have a top notch physique.

Stats? In your opinion whats the minimum total you would need to start competing?

 

[druggeek]

Stats? In your opinion whats the minimum total you would need to start competing?

Gym stats are 375 bench press, 505 squat, and 545 deadlift. But I'm also in a medium weight class.

Your total depends on your weight, but to give an answer, I would say 1000 pounds for sure (unless you're in a very light weight class). Anything lower and you're better off spending more time lifting then tapering off/competing, etc.

 

[JJMrK]

TBH, if I saw this on your AMCAS I'd certainly ask you what competitions/organized events you had participated in. Not to quiz you, but because it sounds cool and it's something I'd be interested in discussing further. I don't really want to hear about the hour you spend at the gym every morning, though; everybody does that.

IMO, weight lifting or exercising is great if it's your answer to my question about what you do for fun/in your free time. If I read it on your AMCAS it just looks like filler unless there is some competition or organized event to go along with it.

 

[tantacles]

TBH, if I saw this on your AMCAS I'd certainly ask you what competitions/organized events you had participated in. Not to quiz you, but because it sounds cool and it's something I'd be interested in discussing further. I don't really want to hear about the hour you spend at the gym every morning, though; everybody does that.

IMO, weight lifting or exercising is great if it's your answer to my question about what you do for fun/in your free time. If I read it on your AMCAS it just looks like filler unless there is some competition or organized event to go along with it.

You would ask him this question even if it were just a hobby?

 

[DrFit]

@XbdomX- QFT.

You clearly don't have any idea what an actual bodybuilder is. By failing to recognize the variety of organizations and levels at which to compete besides the untested IFBB level, you show that you're not a BB'er. Congrats on the weight loss though, strong work indeed.

What's the difference between a bodybuilder and a rec. weightlifter? Oh ya know, about triple the time spent actually lifting, cooking, preparing, measuring out food and micronutrients to actually step on stage and not look like a tool. Most guys that that say they are bb'er but have never competed are either fat- haven't seen their abs (all of them) ever, or super skinny -have a 6 pack but no ice chest to put it in.

Finally, every interview I've been on I've been asked what organization I've competed in, what my powerlifting total was, what are the olympic lifts, how the class structure works for NPC shows, and of course how much I bench. There really is no argument here. Competition is the difference maker in any of these sports.

Also- don't call yourself a weightlifter. That moniker is reserved for Olympic lifters and any person whose actually trained for a long time and knows what they're talking about recognizes this. If someone called themselves a weightlifter but couldn't tell me what a snatch was (earmuffs) I'd laugh pretty hard. If you just workout you happen to be a fitness enthusiast or physical culturist......nothing wrong with that.

 

[wlee43]

TBH, if I saw this on your AMCAS I'd certainly ask you what competitions/organized events you had participated in. Not to quiz you, but because it sounds cool and it's something I'd be interested in discussing further. I don't really want to hear about the hour you spend at the gym every morning, though; everybody does that.

IMO, weight lifting or exercising is great if it's your answer to my question about what you do for fun/in your free time. If I read it on your AMCAS it just looks like filler unless there is some competition or organized event to go along with it.

I dont understand what you're trying to say. So if I write it down as a hobby you're still going to think it's filler and nothing significant unless I compete? By that logic hobby section should be empty for most people cause I don't have the time to master 3-4 hobbies and likewise for most people. I do it cause I enjoy it but my career aspirations is to become a doctor not a bodybuilder so Im not going to spend a lot of my resources on BBing. Also even though everyone works out as you claim, there a difference between those who take it seriously and those who don't. I spend alot of time and dedication to it including my diet and supp so I dont see how thats same as someone who works out 30 min a couple times a week

 

[JJMrK]

You would ask him this question even if it were just a hobby?

Probably. I've never come across it so I can't tell you for sure. To me bodybuilding implies the bulking/cutting phases, eating, and competitions.

I would put "weight training" or something on AMCAS if you really want to put it on there under hobbies. I'd probably put list it last, after any organized activities. It's kind of like saying pickup basketball vs college-level intramurals.

 

[PantherPride]

I dont understand what you're trying to say. So if I write it down as a hobby you're still going to think it's filler and nothing significant unless I compete? By that logic hobby section should be empty for most people cause I don't have the time to master 3-4 hobbies and likewise for most people. I do it cause I enjoy it but my career aspirations is to become a doctor not a bodybuilder so Im not going to spend a lot of my resources on BBing. Also even though everyone works out as you claim, there a difference between those who take it seriously and those who don't. I spend alot of time and dedication to it including my diet and supp so I dont see how thats same as someone who works out 30 min a couple times a week

Where you want to list weight training depends on how significant it is in your life. If you're very dedicated to weight lifting it would be great to place under hobbies because you do spend much of your time in the gym. If you take weight lifting very seriously and either compete in competitions nationally or spend your time training people or something, then it would be appropriate to list as an EC. If you go to the gym once or twice a week casually, then it would probably be seen as filler if you put it anywhere on your application

 

[PwrBldr]

Don't mean to bring this thread back from the dead, but was looking for something else and came across this thread. Being a competitive natural bodybuilder who has won a few titles and is working toward winning my pro card, I wanted to put in my 2 cents for anyone applying in future cycles.

For everyone discussion the difference b/t designating recreational vs competitive bodybuilding, I think PantherPride hit it on the head with listing it as an EC if you have competed in a show (especially if you have won/placed or trained someone) and under hobbies if you have not. If you are a recreational lifter, I would put it under hobbies and list it as either weight training (this will not be confused with olympic power lifting as mentioned earlier) or working out as to prevent any confusion. If you compete, I would make sure to list it as an EC for a specific competition or as competitive bodybuilding under hobbies for the same reason.

If you have never competed, there is a huge difference between the two in terms of dedication and time commitment in order to get stage ready. It is hard to describe unless you have actually gone through it, but prepping for shows has probably been the most mentally and physically challenging thing I have every done even over playing a college sport and taking a full 18 hr semester simultaneously.

Also, if you do list it, be prepared to talk about it in your interview. For the majority of my interviews, I was either directly asked about it or the interviewer commented on it at some point. As stated before, if you don't look the part I would probably leave it out completely, even if you have competed, because unless you are huge you are just going to look athletic in a suit. I am a pretty big guy (5'11 205 8% bf), and the first thing one of my interviewers said was a comment about a bodybuilding title I held and that she couldn't see all my muscles because I was wearing a suit. The suit I was wearing was tailored to fit my shoulder to waist drop too, so it wasn't like I was wearing a something super baggy. Just something to keep in mind.

Sorry for the book, but hope this helped someone. If ya'll have any questions feel free to pm me.

 

[ciruji]

For those who say don't list it if I don't compete...so the hobbies you guys list are those you take very seriously and compete in??

X2,

Is a freaking hobby.. hence why everything needs to have: leadership role, competition, etc. ? Jeez, just enjoy the pleasure of doing your hobby.

 

[Chansey]

what if you aren't up to the level of bodybuilder.....

but you work out on regular basis and have lost a good amount of weight in the past few months? (like 50+ lbs)

Read this story!!

 

[Kochanie]

Any Genova Witnesses?

 

[Levrone]

I love competing (natural bodybuilding) and a big injury I got recently helped in my decision to apply to med school. I hope that's something unique and helps me somewhat

 

[FutureOncologist]

I listed bodybuilding as a hobby. Never competed, never won anything. I mentored a few people in getting in shape and I listed it under that as well. Only time it came up was during interviews. One interviewer asked how I got into it and stayed with it. Another asked me some questions to make sure I knew what I was talking about.