Can one do well in undergrad sciences without a great HS science background?

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Hey folks; I apologize for the novella length post here,

I've been lurking the forums for about half a year now. I'm currently entering my second semester in community college (had a year between high school and college where I worked), so I'm a youngin'. I was lucky enough to attend a college prep high school on major financial aid, coming out of the horrid California public school system, and was idiotic enough to not apply myself to my studies. Hence, though I was capable of excelling in the humanities and English courses with little work (which has helped me become a great writer), I did horribly in my science courses (Cs and Ds...I think my science score on the ACT was a 22 or 23, which is actually a point or two higher than average in my state but that's not surprising) because I simply didn't care. My extreme apathy was partially due to the fact that I had planned all throughout high school to enlist in the military after graduation, so I felt that I didn't need to push myself past the bare minimum.

Now, the military thing didn't work out and I received a medical separation during training (I'm pretty much fine now), but now I'm stuck at community college (granted, the community college I go to is in San Francisco and it's one of the largest academic institutions in the country; it serves about 100,000 students, with many of which transferring to outstanding 4 year universities like the UCs). So with that, I'm not overwhelmingly worried as to if I will receive a good prereq education from my community college (though I understand that it will come down to the individual instructor and how in-depth he or she covers the material at hand).

I've been veraciously researching various clinical careers over the past year and am leaning toward med school at the moment, though I will obviously have to shadow and pick up some notable, clinical volunteer hours before I make the decision. Nevertheless, I figure getting a degree in Biology with a concentration in Physio (ala SF State) will provide me with all of the prerequisites for essentially any clinical career I would desire (PT, Dentistry, Nursing, PA, Pod, and Med School are all covered via this degree). Now, I'm going to be taking introduction courses to Biology, Physics, and Chemistry as preparation for the general courses (prerequisites for med school and for the Bio degree), but I fear that may not be enough to offset my bare-minimum science knowledge outside of a very rudimentary understanding of anatomy and physiology from being a power lifter. I also don't know, because I was apathetic across the board in high school, if I will end up enjoying science in general, or at least with enough vigor to propel myself into a scientific career. I know the survey intro courses will solidify an enjoyment or not, to an extent...

Guess I'm being a bit neurotic...but hey, aren't all of us?

Thanks for any assistance.
 
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It sounds like we had very similar science experiences in HS. I always did horribly in math and science, then did a complete 180 in college after I realized what I wanted to do with my life. You just have to give the courses the focus and study time that they deserve. Since your science background is not strong, you may need to spend more time with textbooks than other students do. Pre-reading before lecture helped a ton in my lower division sciences.
 
Hey folks; I apologize for the novella length post here,

I've been lurking the forums for about half a year now. I'm currently entering my second semester in community college (had a year between high school and college where I worked), so I'm a youngin'. I was lucky enough to attend a college prep high school on major financial aid, coming out of the horrid California public school system, and was idiotic enough to not apply myself to my studies. Hence, though I was capable of excelling in the humanities and English courses with little work (which has helped me become a great writer), I did horribly in my science courses (Cs and Ds...I think my science score on the ACT was a 22 or 23, which is actually a point or two higher than average in my state but that's not surprising) because I simply didn't care. My extreme apathy was partially due to the fact that I had planned all throughout high school to enlist in the military after graduation, so I felt that I didn't need to push myself past the bare minimum.

Now, the military thing didn't work out and I received a medical separation during training (I'm pretty much fine now), but now I'm stuck at community college (granted, the community college I go to is in San Francisco and it's one of the largest academic institutions in the country; it serves about 100,000 students, with many of which transferring to outstanding 4 year universities like the UCs). So with that, I'm not overwhelmingly worried as to if I will receive a good prereq education from my community college (though I understand that it will come down to the individual instructor and how in-depth he or she covers the material at hand).

I've been veraciously researching various clinical careers over the past year and am leaning toward med school at the moment, though I will obviously have to shadow and pick up some notable, clinical volunteer hours before I make the decision. Nevertheless, I figure getting a degree in Biology with a concentration in Physio (ala SF State) will provide me with all of the prerequisites for essentially any clinical career I would desire (PT, Dentistry, Nursing, PA, Pod, and Med School are all covered via this degree). Now, I'm going to be taking introduction courses to Biology, Physics, and Chemistry as preparation for the general courses (prerequisites for med school and for the Bio degree), but I fear that may not be enough to offset my bare-minimum science knowledge outside of a very rudimentary understanding of anatomy and physiology from being a power lifter. I also don't know, because I was apathetic across the board in high school, if I will end up enjoying science in general, or at least with enough vigor to propel myself into a scientific career. I know the survey intro courses will solidify an enjoyment or not, to an extent...

Guess I'm being a bit neurotic...but hey, aren't all of us?

Thanks for any assistance.

Just do well in your science classes, and you're good.
 
Definitely possible. I went to an arts middle and high school, so our science classes were a joke because nobody cared and the teachers were jaded. About 70% of my graduating class went to arts conservatories for college. I was beyond nervous to start college science courses. I thought I'd hate them and do awful.

But I didn't! I'm now a sophomore, majoring in neuroscience, and have a 4.0 sGPA. Anecdote, but anything is possible 🙂
 
It sounds like we had very similar science experiences in HS. I always did horribly in math and science, then did a complete 180 in college after I realized what I wanted to do with my life. You just have to give the courses the focus and study time that they deserve. Since your science background is not strong, you may need to spend more time with textbooks than other students do. Pre-reading before lecture helped a ton in my lower division sciences.

You think the intro courses I have to take as prerequisites for the prerequisites are going to alleviate some of the deficiency? I believe they're your basic survey courses.
 
I didn't read your whole post, but enough to know where you're getting at. I grew up in the ghetto, still live there, but am finishing up at a state university this year with two science degrees. The public school system, especially in the area I grew up in is horrendous, so I was at a disadvantage hitting my university.... However, I'm not a spoiled, entitled like many of the others who were bred for academics and being future physicians, and I have an insane
 
You think the intro courses I have to take as prerequisites for the prerequisites are going to alleviate some of the deficiency? I believe they're your basic survey courses.

I don't think you should worry so much about not being competitive. Perhaps what you may want to ask is whether you still want to pursue your major at the end of those classes. Most people I know who started as pre-med and changed majors didn't only do it because they failed their classes; they did it because they hated the classes (chemistry, in particular). And if you hate what you're doing, you won't be as focused and invested to perform well.
 
Spoiled and entitled*** err premature send on my phone, but continuing on - I have an insane drive that fuels me, sometimes neurotically. So with that said. I graduated high school 3.5 GPS, 23 ACT - got a scholarship though. Ouch, not spectacular, but here is the kicker.



I have 149 credit hours completed at something like a 4.2 gpa, all taken at a public university. Never got anything lower than a solid A. I also got a 30 on my MCAT. I underperformed on it sadly, but naturally with my upbringing you'd expect to not have stellar standardized test taking skills. Anyways, I'm graduating this semester with two science degrees. It is possible. You just have to work hard and stay focused.
 
I didn't read your whole post, but enough to know where you're getting at. I grew up in the ghetto, still live there, but am finishing up at a state university this year with two science degrees. The public school system, especially in the area I grew up in is horrendous, so I was at a disadvantage hitting my university.... However, I'm not a spoiled, entitled like many of the others who were bred for academics and being future physicians, and I have an insane

Don't know what you were going to finish your post with, but I assume it had something to do with drive or motivation. That, I know I need to develop as well. I've definitely gotten better as per my first semester of CC (made my first 4.0 ever, albeit in social science courses and a math course equivalent to Algebra I lol), but I feel that the level I pushed myself too was still not very out of my comfort zone considering the material wasn't overwhelmingly challenging. That's definitely going to have to change.

And yeah man, I know where you're coming from, to an extent. Born and raised working/lower middle class. Never been pushed or groomed in any direction, though my parents have always been very supportive of whatever direction I take in life short of trying to start a career at McDonalds.
 
You think the intro courses I have to take as prerequisites for the prerequisites are going to alleviate some of the deficiency? I believe they're your basic survey courses.

Probably. I don't know which courses those are at SF State, but I am also in the CSU system. We had a pre-chem type course at my university that helped set me up for future science courses. Partially because of content, partially because it taught me how to study.
 
I didn't read your whole post, but enough to know where you're getting at. I grew up in the ghetto, still live there, but am finishing up at a state university this year with two science degrees. The public school system, especially in the area I grew up in is horrendous, so I was at a disadvantage hitting my university.... However, I'm not a spoiled, entitled like many of the others who were bred for academics and being future physicians, and I have an insane

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Probably. I don't know which courses those are at SF State, but I am also in the CSU system. We had a pre-chem type course at my university that helped set me up for future science courses. Partially because of content, partially because it taught me how to study.

I'm actually taking them at City College of San Francisco. I plan to transfer to a CSU (probably SF State to save money) as a junior once I finish all the lower division courses (and O-Chem II since might as well get that out of the way at CC when O-Chem I is required to transfer).
 
You think the intro courses I have to take as prerequisites for the prerequisites are going to alleviate some of the deficiency? I believe they're your basic survey courses.

Sorry, I didn't quite get your first post. So you haven't taken any science pre-reqs at all in community college? If so, you've essentially got a clean slate to work with and the "intro to intro" courses you're talking about should ease you into your science courses easily enough.
 
Sorry, I didn't quite get your first post. So you haven't taken any science pre-reqs at all in community college? If so, you've essentially got a clean slate to work with and the "intro to intro" courses you're talking about should ease you into your science courses easily enough.

Nope, I haven't. I was gonna take the Intro to Chem course this semester but CCSF is impacted to hell and thus I couldn't get it. I'll be lucky to transfer to SF State in 4 years, and that's with taking courses all year round 😡.
 
I really appreciate the help, guys. If anybody else wants to chime in with advice, feel free to do so.
 
Don't know what you were going to finish your post with, but I assume it had something to do with drive or motivation. That, I know I need to develop as well. I've definitely gotten better as per my first semester of CC (made my first 4.0 ever, albeit in social science courses and a math course equivalent to Algebra I lol), but I feel that the level I pushed myself too was still not very out of my comfort zone considering the material wasn't overwhelmingly challenging. That's definitely going to have to change.

And yeah man, I know where you're coming from, to an extent. Born and raised working/lower middle class. Never been pushed or groomed in any direction, though my parents have always been very supportive of whatever direction I take in life short of trying to start a career at McDonalds.

I hope you caught my follow up. Hit the send button too soon. 🙁 Even if you did start in the fundamental courses in college that's not bad. In high school I took what they called "calculus". Lolerskates. It wasn't anything like college calc, so I quickly dropped that bad boy in my sophomore year and jumped into a precalc to build my foundation. The. I did calc a year later. Also started in CHM 101 and went all the way through biochem. Whether the lack of skill or knowledge is due to lack of effort early on or due to circumstance, do what you have to do to catch up and get a solid foundation. I like what you're doing and where you're going. Take it slow, go hard the whole time, and don't worry about the future more than you have to. Be like... The little engine that could! Choo Choo?
 
Spoiled and entitled*** err premature send on my phone, but continuing on - I have an insane drive that fuels me, sometimes neurotically. So with that said. I graduated high school 3.5 GPS, 23 ACT - got a scholarship though. Ouch, not spectacular, but here is the kicker.



I have 149 credit hours completed at something like a 4.2 gpa, all taken at a public university. Never got anything lower than a solid A. I also got a 30 on my MCAT. I underperformed on it sadly, but naturally with my upbringing you'd expect to not have stellar standardized test taking skills. Anyways, I'm graduating this semester with two science degrees. It is possible. You just have to work hard and stay focused.

I was unaware this was possible in college?
 
I hope you caught my follow up. Hit the send button too soon. 🙁 Even if you did start in the fundamental courses in college that's not bad. In high school I took what they called "calculus". Lolerskates. It wasn't anything like college calc, so I quickly dropped that bad boy in my sophomore year and jumped into a precalc to build my foundation. The. I did calc a year later. Also started in CHM 101 and went all the way through biochem. Whether the lack of skill or knowledge is due to lack of effort early on or due to circumstance, do what you have to do to catch up and get a solid foundation. I like what you're doing and where you're going. Take it slow, go hard the whole time, and don't worry about the future more than you have to. Be like... The little engine that could! Choo Choo?

I did catch it.

I'm just going to have to develop that drive. I've become much less of a procrastinator than I was in HS. I just need to put 100% into my work now. Thanks for the encouragement, man. Good luck on continuing to defy the odds.
 
I did catch it.

I'm just going to have to develop that drive. I've become much less of a procrastinator than I was in HS. I just need to put 100% into my work now. Thanks for the encouragement, man. Good luck on continuing to defy the odds.

Ya, man, get it!
 
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