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I don't see anything like the MSAR published anywhere. I know this is controversial, but surely there must be some widely agreed upon rough tier list.
I don't see anything like the MSAR published anywhere. I know this is controversial, but surely there must be some widely agreed upon rough tier list.
Tis a very ruff list and many will disagree but here you go, from top tier to bottom:
TCOM/OUHCOM/CCOM
ROWAN/OSUCOM/AZCOM/PCOM/AZCOM/Western/MSUCOM/Touro
DMUCOM/KCUMB-COM/RVUCOM
The rest
Thanks for the reply! I live in MA so I'm looking at nearby schools. How would you compare PCOM, Rowan and Touro NY?
Tis a very ruff list and many will disagree but here you go, from top tier to bottom:
TCOM/OUHCOM/CCOM
ROWAN/OSUCOM/AZCOM/PCOM/AZCOM/Western/MSUCOM/Touro
DMUCOM/KCUMB-COM/RVUCOM
The rest
Thanks for the reply! I live in MA so I'm looking at nearby schools. How would you compare PCOM, Rowan and Touro NY?
1. Original DO schools + those with public university affiliations
2. All others
OP this is the best advice you can get for a DO school's ranking.
Thanks! This is pretty much the conclusion I came to as well based on the old threads. So Rowan has a public university affiliation and PCOM is one of the original 5. Touro doesn't fit either? It seems to have the highest MCAT average.
Thanks! This is pretty much the conclusion I came to as well based on the old threads. So Rowan has a public university affiliation and PCOM is one of the original 5. Touro doesn't fit either? It seems to have the highest MCAT average.
That's true. But judging a school based on MCAT scores is a horrible way to look at it. You can't go wrong with picking PCOM or Rowan, both are solid institutions. At that point it's going to come down to personal preference. Personally I like living in Philadelphia.
PCOM also has great residencies. However, I'm not sure if they give preference to their students.
PCOM also has great residencies. However, I'm not sure if they give preference to their students.
I would definitely agree based on my research that PCOM>Rowan>Touro. But how big is the difference? If I really like living in New York, would it be foolish to go there instead of PCOM?
I don't know how many DO schools I should apply to since I'm also applying to around 20 MD schools. Is 3 enough?
Hard to say not knowing your stats. I'm applying this June most likely and will have far more DOs than MDs on my list.
PCOM=Rowan=NYCOM> Touro NYThanks for the reply! I live in MA so I'm looking at nearby schools. How would you compare PCOM, Rowan and Touro NY?
What is this according to you or something? I would highly disagree with this list. First off MSU is ranked 9th in the nation by US news for best primary care. To put it in perspective Harvard is ranked 11th.
cGPA 3.56 sGPA 3.41 MCAT expecting around a 37
Thanks for the reply! I live in MA so I'm looking at nearby schools. How would you compare PCOM, Rowan and Touro NY?
All I can say is that RowanSOM has a grad at UCSD ER residency and PCOM has a grad doing a EM peds fellowship at an affiliated UCSD hospital. Let that speak for itself and you can take it anyway you want 🙂. Can't speak much for Touro-NY.
Wow and UCSD hospitals are VERY prestigious (highly ranked MD school). Most DO graduates I know have been able to get primary care residencies at MD universities.
Mhmm this looks like a gradual shift towards taking DO applicants seriously. Albeit these are DO grads coming from extremely strong institutions (PCOM and Rowan). You can also check out KCUMB grad Sarah Parks, DO who is now a professor of cardiology at Massachusetts general (did her residency and fellowship at Cooper).
Really cool to meet with some of these guys at UCSD (my undergrad). But these n=1 examples don't remove the fact that PDs can and will still put precedence to MD applicants if the program is very competitive.
Very true, there's also a DO doing a trauma surgery fellowship at Brigham and Women's right now. While i'm sure a lot of these are n=1 examples. I think it's a good sign of the times to come
1. Original DO schools + those with public university affiliations
2. All others
Wow and UCSD hospitals are VERY prestigious (highly ranked MD school). Most DO graduates I know have been able to get primary care residencies at MD universities.
Tis a very ruff list and many will disagree but here you go, from top tier to bottom:
TCOM/OUHCOM/CCOM/MSUCOM
ROWAN/OSUCOM/AZCOM/PCOM/AZCOM/Western/Touro
DMUCOM/KCUMB-COM/RVUCOM
The rest
I pretty much agree with this. I'd probably bump OSUCOM to the top though.
Tis a very ruff list and many will disagree but here you go, from top tier to bottom:
TCOM/OUHCOM/CCOM/MSUCOM
ROWAN/OSUCOM/AZCOM/PCOM/AZCOM/Western/Touro
DMUCOM/KCUMB-COM/RVUCOM
The rest
You see the problem with this, is that "The rest" includes a lot of schools that are also not equal. For one example, you do not have places like ATSU-KCOM (admittedly near and dear to my heart...lol) and UNECOM listed, however they do not belong lumped in with schools like KYCOM, LMU-DCOM, ACOM, WCU etc that fall in the 3.4/24-25 range...This is the problem with the whole tier thing.
I agree. I was super lazy to tier the rest.
What are the bottom tier ones just out of curiosity?
the infamous LUCOM.What are the bottom tier ones just out of curiosity?
Tis a very ruff list and many will disagree but here you go, from top tier to bottom:
TCOM/OUHCOM/CCOM/MSUCOM
ROWAN/OSUCOM/AZCOM/PCOM/AZCOM/Western/Touro
DMUCOM/KCUMB-COM/RVUCOM
The rest
Yea altereds list shows why it is super hard to do this. Its not really worth it. Also it all really depends on how you're judging a school. If you use gpa/MCAT (altered seemed to weigh this alot) then you may not actually get a good representation of schools. Altered ranked touro ahead of nyit. I have a fair amount of experience of each school and I would say nyit has better clinical education then touro (even with touros high MCAT). I also have heard some bad things about certain schools on here and I visit them and leave very impressed. My advice is to go to visit the schools and ask good questions and judge for yourselves.
Also one school might be better for one person then another depending on your individual situation. For example some may love LECOM for their pathways others might not. Best to see what fits you. If you are from Michigan then its a great option since you get instate tuition but if you're out of state then its a bad option.
As far as generalities go this is my opinion.
Certain school are highly regarded (been around awhile/state schools/desirable locations etc) for example
Ccom
Nsucom
PCOM
Nyit
Western
Dmu
Msucom
Azcom
Osucom
Rowan
Kcumb
TCOM
Oucom (contract makes it questionable)
Certain school are meh (not as well established pretty stable will get you where you need to go) for example
Lecom
RVU
Touro
Vcom
Cusom
Certain schools are newer less stable and have more questionable admissions/rotations/quality
Lmu
Wcu
Lucom
Kycom
Pcom ga
Touro nv
But overall the biggest difference in my opinion is the education you get. As far as outcomes or difference it makes in your life it is very small the difference. 99% you 1 % the school
http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/admissions/contract.htmCompletely agree. Quick question can you explain the contract for OUCOM?
No, OP, no one can give you more than opinion.
And numbers alone do not make for the "best" doctors. And, to further introduce you to the muddy waters you attempt to navigate, some people by choice want to practice family med in rural Arkansas, so match lists are a tricky thing to weigh. Some people choose to slack off, some choose to gun for plastic surgery; it all depends on soooo many factors, that any created list will incite havoc for others.
Do your own research, browse the hundreds of posts on this site. It will be worth it for your own informed understanding.
Yea altereds list shows why it is super hard to do this. Its not really worth it. Also it all really depends on how you're judging a school. If you use gpa/MCAT (altered seemed to weigh this alot) then you may not actually get a good representation of schools. Altered ranked touro ahead of nyit. I have a fair amount of experience of each school and I would say nyit has better clinical education then touro (even with touros high MCAT). I also have heard some bad things about certain schools on here and I visit them and leave very impressed. My advice is to go to visit the schools and ask good questions and judge for yourselves.
Also one school might be better for one person then another depending on your individual situation. For example some may love LECOM for their pathways others might not. Best to see what fits you. If you are from Michigan then its a great option since you get instate tuition but if you're out of state then its a bad option.
As far as generalities go this is my opinion.
Certain school are highly regarded (been around awhile/state schools/desirable locations etc) for example
Ccom
Nsucom
PCOM
Nyit
Western
Dmu
Msucom
Azcom
Osucom
Rowan
Kcumb
TCOM
Oucom (contract makes it questionable)
Certain school are meh (not as well established pretty stable will get you where you need to go) for example
Lecom
RVU
Touro
Vcom
Cusom
Certain schools are newer less stable and have more questionable admissions/rotations/quality
Lmu
Wcu
Lucom
Kycom
Pcom ga
Touro nv
But overall the biggest difference in my opinion is the education you get. As far as outcomes or difference it makes in your life it is very small the difference. 99% you 1 % the school
I like this post. I feel NYITCOM doesn't get the love it should at times
Tier 1a: the school you decide to attend
Tier 1b: the other schools that accept you
Tier 2a: the schools that interview, but don't accept you.
Tier 2b: the schools that invite you to interview but you decline.
Tier 3: the schools that didn't invite you for interview.
Tier 4: the schools you didn't apply to.
Tier 5: LUCOM (even if it falls in tier 1a above).
As a soon to be DO grad I'm here to tell you that where you go doesn't matter much at all. On the interview trail you're a DO applicant whether you are from PCOM or PNWUCOM it will not matter. What will matter is your board scores, your ability to make a positive impression on the faculty and house staff on residency interview day, and your performance in M3. Research comes in for some specialties, but the other 3 things are much more important.
So go where ever you want (unless it's LUCOM 😀) and do your very best. This is not the place to worry too much about how "good" your school is. You learn to be a doctor in residency not medical school, so be very selective then.
Ok everyone once and for all here is the offcial DO school ranking. my momma agrees and she will be publishing it on her blog, so you know it's legit:
1. The school you're matriculating at
2. The other schools that also accepted you
3. The schools that offered you an interview but you withdrew from
4. The schools that waitlisted you
5. The schools that rejected you
6. The schools you didn't even bother applying to
7. Liberty
*youre an idiot if you think there are any official rankings of DO schools
**these official rankings like all the others were pulled out of someones ass