Canadians---IMG?!?

[knovecc]

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Hi everyone, I am currently a Canadian Med student, and have some questions concerning US residencies:

1- Are Canadian students considered IMG in terms of their requirement? (Yes I know that we need visa, like ppl from else where, but for the Step 1 stats, the FA lists US/CANADIAN vs FMG, which confuses me...)

2-Do US med students have to do BOTH Step 1 AND 2 before matching--- If not, how about Canadians?
I heard that, Americans: noly step 1, IMG: both 1 and 2 before matching, but Canadians? grey zone for me now...

3- most importantly: If I apply both Canadian and American residencies at the same time, seems that Canadian matching results will come out one wk earlier... so, if I am matched to a Canadian one, does it mean that my matching application is automatically cancelled for American residency?
otherwise stated: if I get BOTH a Canadian AND an American residency, will I HAVE to go to the Canadian one?

Thank you very much!!!

 

[McGillGrad]

Canadian Grad = US Grad = no difference in the match...

in other words, NOT an IMG

You can go through both matches but if you match in Canada, you are withdrawn from the US match

 

[Pascal8]

Canadian Grad = US Grad = no difference in the match...

in other words, NOT an IMG

You can go through both matches but if you match in Canada, you are withdrawn from the US match

Is a US grad = Canadian Grad in Canada ?

 

[McGillGrad]

Is a US grad = Canadian Grad in Canada ?

Not exactly. Only if certain steps are taken in terms or exams and such. Just like Canadians have to take the USMLE exams, Americans have to take the MCCEE (and the MQCEE in certain provinces). But generally speaking, as long as the length of the residency is equal in both countries (since some are long or shorter in canada/america) it is equal.

 

[knovecc]

You can go through both matches but if you match in Canada, you are withdrawn from the US match

Thanks mcgillgrad, im from montreal too, but the other one...

so that`s why only less than 100 Canadian graduates go to US each year, they didnt even apply CaRMs!?!?

Can you withdraw from CaRMs before the matching result comes out? then take the rist and wait for the US one?

 

[Acherona]

agree with mcgill grad. All canadian schools are lcme accredited therefore you are treated as an AMG for all intents and purposes. However if you need a visa then things can get hairy as programs may find it more annoying to sponsor you rather than just take an AMG or your home province might force a lot of restrictions on you. But the USMLE and application requirements are the same as AMGs if that's what you want to know (some programs don't know this so you should inform them).

If you match canadian you must go and will be withdrawn from the american match.

 

[Acherona]

Thanks mcgillgrad, im from montreal too, but the other one...

so that`s why only less than 100 Canadian graduates go to US each year, they didnt even apply CaRMs!?!?

Can you withdraw from CaRMs before the matching result comes out? then take the rist and wait for the US one?

Yes you can apply and interview through Carms and then just not certify your rank list (the deadline for which is actually a week after the american one).

I think there are a number of reasons so few canadians end up in the US. The main reason is visa. Canada only allows certain specialties to go to the US for training, mostly primary care specialties and psych. In peds for example, they only allow primary care track, so you would not be allowed to do a fellowship in the US (actually this might be a quebec thing, not sure). For family med, the US residency is a year longer, the pay is ultimately lower, and there is less job flexibility so few canadians end up leaving for FM. For Internal, I think many people decide it's better to complete residency in canada and then do a fellowship in the states, which is a much easier process. The canadians that end up matching in the states often have a greencard, are also US citizens/married to a US citizen.

 

[gerickson03m]

Americans have to take the MCCEE : this is WRONG!!!. American trained docs skip the MCCEE and have to take the MCQE1 and 2 for a unrestricted license. I know this because I just did this.

 

[McGillGrad]

Americans have to take the MCCEE : this is WRONG!!!. American trained docs skip the MCCEE and have to take the MCQE1 and 2 for a unrestricted license. I know this because I just did this.

Did you read the licensing laws for the provinces? If you did, then you would know why your response is hilariously WRONG.

 

[mules05]

Anyone know about working in Canada after completing a residency? Could one do a US residency, then fellowship in Canada, and remain in Canada as an attending? I ask because I know an attending who did med school, residency, and one fellowship in Canada, then did a sub-fellowship in the US, and is now on faculty in the US. Could the same sort of thing be done in reverse?

 

[McGillGrad]

Yes, it is an option. You just need to make sure to take the MCCEE and possibly the MCQEE1/2 depending on the province. Also, there are visa issues if you're not Canadian.

Anyone know about working in Canada after completing a residency? Could one do a US residency, then fellowship in Canada, and remain in Canada as an attending? I ask because I know an attending who did med school, residency, and one fellowship in Canada, then did a sub-fellowship in the US, and is now on faculty in the US. Could the same sort of thing be done in reverse?

 

[gerickson03m]

Did you read the licensing laws for the provinces? If you did, then you would know why your response is hilariously WRONG.

By all means take the test... its fun D: You obviously have not been through the process so you input is not needed.

http://www.mcc.ca/en/exams/ee/exemptions.shtml

"An international medical graduate (IMG) or a graduate from an AOA-accredited U.S. School of Osteopathic Medicine (U.S. osteopath) who is a specialist certified in Canada or the U.S. may be eligible for an exemption from the requirement of a pass standing on the Medical Council of Canada Evaluation Examination (MCCEE). Once an exemption is granted, an IMG is eligible to apply directly to the MCC Qualifying Examination (QE) Part I."

Once again.. please read before you make a fool out of yourself.

 

[McGillGrad]

Anyone who wants to practice in Canada needs to take the MCCEE or its equivalent.

If you are board certified in the US, then you have taken its equivalent.

What do you not understand about that?

By all means take the test... its fun D: You obviously have not been through the process so you input is not needed.

http://www.mcc.ca/en/exams/ee/exemptions.shtml

"An international medical graduate (IMG) or a graduate from an AOA-accredited U.S. School of Osteopathic Medicine (U.S. osteopath) who is a specialist certified in Canada or the U.S. may be eligible for an exemption from the requirement of a pass standing on the Medical Council of Canada Evaluation Examination (MCCEE). Once an exemption is granted, an IMG is eligible to apply directly to the MCC Qualifying Examination (QE) Part I."

Once again.. please read before you make a fool out of yourself.

 

[gerickson03m]

Anyone who wants to practice in Canada needs to take the MCCEE or its equivalent.

If you are board certified in the US, then you have taken its equivalent.

What do you not understand about that?

Bro, you have just said the same thing as in my FP. I actually feel sorry for you, life is confusing and hard but it does not have to be.

 

[McGillGrad]

Bro, you have just said the same thing as in my FP. I actually feel sorry for you, life is confusing and hard but it does not have to be.

I feel sorry for me too. I just had to read what you wrote.

 

[jd23208]

is it absolutely necessary for an IMG to apply for residency in Canada before he can practice? or is it possible for an IMG to start practicing as a GP in rural areas once he has passed all necessary exams and not apply for residency training in Canada?

 

[NewCanadian]

Not exactly. Only if certain steps are taken in terms or exams and such. Just like Canadians have to take the USMLE exams, Americans have to take the MCCEE (and the MQCEE in certain provinces). But generally speaking, as long as the length of the residency is equal in both countries (since some are long or shorter in canada/america) it is equal.

"Americans have to take the MCCEE..."
OMG. No. the MCC EE is for so-called IMGs - a graduate of a medical school outside North America.

 

[Doctor Bob]

Tangential question...
Are the exams in both english and french? Can you choose which language you take the test in?


(edit... thanks gutonc)

 

[gutonc]

Actually, this thread got testy 6 years ago and then died. Only to be resurrected to ask a fairly tedious question that 45 seconds on the Googelz would have answered.

 

[Doctor Bob]

Actually, this thread got testy 6 years ago and then died. Only to be resurrected to ask a fairly tedious question that 45 seconds on the Googelz would have answered.

Oh dangit. It's the times that I forget to look at the posting-dates that I stick my foot in my mouth.

(go go gadget edit!)