Cant be worst then this !!!!!!!

[mikepadira]

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I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

 

[Demeter]

You need a mentor. See if there is a 2nd year or 3rd year student that can help you out. Offer to pay them to tutor you. Are you having with tooth preps? what exactly is going on?

 

[Doc Smile]

I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

Can't be worse?

My classmate first semester D1 got diagnosed with lung cancer, had his entire right lung removed, underwent chemo and radiation - all while his wife was preggo so she couldn't even visit him. . . He passed first year. If he can do it, anybody can.

true story.

 

[mikepadira]

You need a mentor. See if there is a 2nd year or 3rd year student that can help you out. Offer to pay them to tutor you. Are you having with tooth preps? what exactly is going on?

Problem Was mostly with Class 2. I am recovered and at-par now in the sense I am no longer failing in the practicals ( I am 10 Marks short of 70 to clear). Theory I am in 90's. But instructor and school keeps telling me that i am not in pass zone yet and I can be dismissed. This has caused extra stress and pressure on me. I cant sleep. Have to take sleeping pills. My concerns is , what if they dismiss me. Career is over?

 

[drkmgk]

really makes you wonder what kind of dentistry you folks are learning overseas 😀

 

[jay47]

I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

Trust me, it could be WAY WORSE. Imagine you are in the 3rd year, you fail to get your requirements and they kick you out. Now you have thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no way to pay it off and no degree- NOTHING. Like someone else said, get a mentor- it's only a class 2 filling. On a side note, try and work on your grammar and word choice a little. We are going to be professionals, and although I'm sure you are a very intelligent person, using proper English can go a LONG way when it comes to gaining, keeping, and pleasing your patients.

 

[dort-ort]

you want some really good advice. Have you ever thought that maybe dentistry is not the right career for you. or that you are just not cut out for it. so change career. You know, in this forum there are so many problems and issues that people post about. This and that and this and that. Most just reply that oh you can do this or try this or do it this way or that way or etc etc etc. Have any of you ever thought that there are some people that got accepted to dental school and just find out they don't have the mustard to cut it in dentistry.. therefore the only solution is to stop and find another career. we are not in little league where every kid has to play and have a chance wether they can hit the ball or not. we're in the professional league, some will hack it some won't -- not everyone is going to make it. sure in dental school that is small because most are weeded out prior to entering. however, with all the new dental schools opening up -- the talent pool sure is diluting everyday. so there are bound to be some that get in and find out they don't have what it takes didactically or handskill wise. so those that don't need to face the truth and be told to get out.

and to just tell these people who complain that they can barely pass the didactics. or others that complain the faculty is out to get them by failing or conspiring to fail their waxing project. or others are asking about what their chances are if they drop out of one school and try to gain admission at another school. Hard truth -- Bottom line is there are those that don't have it and so must go. I wish people would just see this and stop giving lip service to these people and let them go their merry way. If they are smart enough to get into dental school why would they not be smart enough to figure out themselves what they need to do with all the support and resources available at the school they are at. it just baffles me that people don't just friggin say -- you just don't have the knack for it, find another profession.

 

[Bereno]

you want some really good advice. Have you ever thought that maybe dentistry is not the right career for you. or that you are just not cut out for it. so change career. You know, in this forum there are so many problems and issues that people post about. This and that and this and that. Most just reply that oh you can do this or try this or do it this way or that way or etc etc etc. Have any of you ever thought that there are some people that got accepted to dental school and just find out they don't have the mustard to cut it in dentistry.. therefore the only solution is to stop and find another career. we are not in little league where every kid has to play and have a chance wether they can hit the ball or not. we're in the professional league, some will hack it some won't -- not everyone is going to make it. sure in dental school that is small because most are weeded out prior to entering. however, with all the new dental schools opening up -- the talent pool sure is diluting everyday. so there are bound to be some that get in and find out they don't have what it takes didactically or handskill wise. so those that don't need to face the truth and be told to get out.

and to just tell these people who complain that they can barely pass the didactics. or others that complain the faculty is out to get them by failing or conspiring to fail their waxing project. or others are asking about what their chances are if they drop out of one school and try to gain admission at another school. Hard truth -- Bottom line is there are those that don't have it and so must go. I wish people would just see this and stop giving lip service to these people and let them go their merry way. If they are smart enough to get into dental school why would they not be smart enough to figure out themselves what they need to do with all the support and resources available at the school they are at. it just baffles me that people don't just friggin say -- you just don't have the knack for it, find another profession.

same exact reply to two different threads? 😏 lol

 

[Vapor1122]

really makes you wonder what kind of dentistry you folks are learning overseas 😀

I'm seriously interesting in learning more about what sort of dental education is going on out there. I mean, really, a class II is bread and butter dentistry. I don't see how this could pose a problem to an upper classman dental student, let alone an all-out dentist. There's gotta be more to this...

 

[BlueToothHunter]

Problem Was mostly with Class 2. I am recovered and at-par now in the sense I am no longer failing in the practicals ( I am 10 Marks short of 70 to clear). Theory I am in 90's. But instructor and school keeps telling me that i am not in pass zone yet and I can be dismissed. This has caused extra stress and pressure on me. I cant sleep. Have to take sleeping pills. My concerns is , what if they dismiss me. Career is over?

Alternative options for you if you fail...

1. Apply for a postgraduate program and then use the backdoor entry into state licensing!

2. Get a teaching job at the very US dental school that failed you! (You'd need to get a very good personal connection/donation/or research degree to overcome the fact that you were dismissed!) 😱

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Alternative options for you if you fail...

1. Apply for a postgraduate program and then use the backdoor entry into state licensing!

2. Get a teaching job at the very US dental school that failed you! (You'd need to get a very good personal connection/donation/or research degree to overcome the fact that you were dismissed!) 😱

Hi,

You are kidding right? DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

Greetings,

Tell me EXACTLY what kind of problem(s) are you having? I can't imagine a school would let a student go because of a simple Class II prep. I will do my best to help you. DP

 

[Daurang]

Hi,
You are kidding right? DP

I've seen it happened all the time.

 

[Daurang]

Problem Was mostly with Class 2. I am recovered and at-par now in the sense I am no longer failing in the practicals ( I am 10 Marks short of 70 to clear). Theory I am in 90's. But instructor and school keeps telling me that i am not in pass zone yet and I can be dismissed. This has caused extra stress and pressure on me. I cant sleep. Have to take sleeping pills. My concerns is , what if they dismiss me. Career is over?

You can be a dental assistant or dental therapist or dental hygienist. There are states that will let unlicensed foreign dentists work in community health centers; no I will not tell you where.

This is only classII prep; how you're gonna do class3, class5, inlay, onlay, crown prep, etc? Would you like someone with the manual dexterity as yourself to work on your teeth? Scary.

 

[doc toothache]

I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

Your bite may have been be too big to fit even in the mouth of a male hippo. Oh, and dismissal will definitely make it worst.

2. Get a teaching job at the very US dental school that failed you! (You'd need to get a very good personal connection/donation/or research degree to overcome the fact that you were dismissed!) 😱

It certainly can happen; that's what US dss need.

 

[mikepadira]

Thanks alot to all the support you guys have showed. I guess alot of people on this forum don't realize that stuff happens when you are stressed and some day even one of you can be stuck somewhere.
I dont want to justify anything. I think I have more to prove then to argue. Thanks.
My point, from the beginning, was , even if somebody didn't do that well in one assignement, can schools go as far as kicking you out?

 

[Mackchops]

My point, from the beginning, was , even if somebody didn't do that well in one assignement, can schools go as far as kicking you out?

Sure. They can do anything they want to if they feel you haven't satisfied the minimum requirements they've set for obtaining a degree through their program. What people don't understand is that you still have to EARN your degree once you get into dental school. You're not just going to go through the motions and get to call yourself "doctor"...

Most schools have resources to help struggling students. Find out what yours are and make use of them. Reach out for help now because once it's too late... well, it's too late!

 

[mike3kgt]

You can be a dental assistant or dental therapist or dental hygienist. There are states that will let unlicensed foreign dentists work in community health centers; no I will not tell you where.

This is only classII prep; how you're gonna do class3, class5, inlay, onlay, crown prep, etc? Would you like someone with the manual dexterity as yourself to work on your teeth? Scary.

I didn't pass a single class II practical (prep) during my first year of dental school. I thought I figured it out by my senior year but then I failed the class II prep portion of the clinical boards. I didn't pass those exams because they were REALLY picky and standards were exceptionally high in regards to certain parameters.

You know what? I graduated top in my class and now in the last year of prosthodontics residency. I am doing fine and you bet I can prep a mean inlay, onlay, and crown prep 😉.

Then again, this was my first time doing it. Given that the OP is already a dentist and have most likely spent a year or two in practice, if they are having such a hard time, getting through may be tougher for him than most traditional students.

 

[Y.M]

I am a foreign trained dentist. I got the admission this Fall and started. It was the happiest day of my life. Unfortunately, the first two assignment on the practical lab I didn't do well. Now, I am stucked with low grade and school is warning me that they will dismiss if I dont improve. I have improved and at-par now but the damage is already done. School is again and again warning me that they will dismiss. I am probably 10 marks short of required score. I am mentally scared and very very low. I work more then 12 Hrs every weekend in the lab. Just scared what will happen if I am dismissed. What can be my backup for worst case scenerio.

you are blowing things out of proportion, life can get way worse than that......

 

[mikepadira]

I didn't pass a single class II practical (prep) during my first year of dental school. I thought I figured it out by my senior year but then I failed the class II prep portion of the clinical boards. I didn't pass those exams because they were REALLY picky and standards were exceptionally high in regards to certain parameters.

You know what? I graduated top in my class and now in the last year of prosthodontics residency. I am doing fine and you bet I can prep a mean inlay, onlay, and crown prep 😉.

Then again, this was my first time doing it. Given that the OP is already a dentist and have most likely spent a year or two in practice, if they are having such a hard time, getting through may be tougher for him than most traditional students.

Actually, you quoted my problem accurately. I didn't want to mention it myself as some people will take it otherwise. People who are being too judgemental , doesnot know what I have already earned? Thanks alot for your help

 

[Daurang]

Actually, you quoted my problem accurately. I didn't want to mention it myself as some people will take it otherwise. People who are being too judgemental , doesnot know what I have already earned? Thanks alot for your help

But this is not your first year! This is like your 4th/5th year in practice right?

 

[FreeFallin]

Can't be worse?

My classmate first semester D1 got diagnosed with lung cancer, had his entire right lung removed, underwent chemo and radiation - all while his wife was preggo so she couldn't even visit him. . . He passed first year. If he can do it, anybody can.

true story.

👍

 

[trust068]

practice is the best way to go. when I was in school i laughed one of my classmate's prep who keep receiving fail grade. I thought it looks funny, but the guy work and practice over and over. Now I have to admit he cuts better than me and he certainly deserves the right to laugh at me now.

btw, do you use loupe and loupe light? maybe it is time to adopt different tools and styles.

i would also recommend to talk to instructor and request recommendation. I did that when I was in school and it helps a lot, they troubleshoot my problems very well.

 

[omaralt]

i can tell you with utmost certainty that i would have a tough time passing my D1 class II practicals. those damn typodont teeth mark so easily and are much more difficult to cut than regular teeth. if thats all you know then its no problem; however as somebody who has experience on real teeth it's very tough to go back to typodont teeth. either way, practice makes perfect. buy a bunch of teeth and practice every night until you can do it in your sleep. good luck

 

[doctor123456789]

Shouldn't this already be second nature to you? Assuming you went through similar schooling in another country.

 

[WannaBeDentist]

Plastic typodont teeth and REAL enamel and dentin are much different to work with. Someone who does amazing work for years can have a hard time adapting to plastic teeth.

This may or may not be the issue. We as outsiders should try not to judge a FTD.

 

[longhornpride]

Shouldn't this already be second nature to you? Assuming you went through similar schooling in another country.

We have DIIs helping some advanced standing students with crown preps and temp blocks. One AS student told me she's never down a crown prep in her life at the beginning of this year. Seriously, how did they ever allow you to become a dentist overseas? For those students, they should be required to be in school for more than 2 years. It's scary to think they'll be working on real people soon.

With that said, there are also some AS students who do beautiful work and you can tell that they are experienced dentists. Those are the ones that really don't need to be wasting their time in pre-clin lab.

 

[Marmaduke]

I think people are being way too judgmental and a little bit pompous in regards to Advanced Standing students and their experiences. You realize these are complete different countries with completely different standards of what they may and may not do with teeth? Some countries may not have the luxury of gold crowns or endodontic treatment or inlays or onlays. I'm assuming most do but I can't with confidence say all countries do. For some, I'm sure if the tooth is too broken down the best option is to extract. I'd be pretty surprised if a dentist from a developing nation ever placed veneers outside of school (if even). And school may have been years ago. That's kind of why AS students are back in dental school, to learn American standards. So I'm not really sure why people are concerned about them working on people...they're not....they're in school learning how we do things here. Duh. And as other people mentioned transitioning from real teeth to ivorine probably takes more practice than this guy might have initially thought. Try to be more helpful and less snooty.

As far as the OP, what others have said is true. Practice, practice, practice. Get an upperclassman to help you practice your form and judge your work. Be more critical of your own work. Did they give you example preps? Use those as your template. Be extremely deliberate with your handpiece and gradual with tooth reduction until you get used to how the bur cuts the ivorine and the strokes come more naturally to you. most of the time when I look at the work of people doing poorly with their preps, its because they really don't know how to give their work a critical eye. Things that are visually and obviously wrong, they never bothered fixing and unless you've been too aggressive with reduction, you probably can fix what's wrong. And this might not be practical for clinical work (probably wont be necessary either) but running over everything with a slow speed helps the ivorine preps look really nice and presentable and gets rid of "enamel spurs" and things like that. or an enamel hatchet if you're feeling guilty.

good luck! and realize that you can't let stress keep you from being productive. fact remains you're going to have to work your butt off for a while. stop dwelling on the letters and focus on producing A+ work from here on out.

 

[mike3kgt]

Seriously, how did they ever allow you to become a dentist overseas? For those students, they should be required to be in school for more than 2 years. It's scary to think they'll be working on real people soon.

Should be in school for more than 2 years? Scary they will be working on patients with 2 years or less education?? Hrmm.... what does this sound like:

http://www.dentistry.umn.edu/programs_admissions/DentalTherapyPrograms/home.html

🙄

 

[Mackchops]

Should be in school for more than 2 years? Scary they will be working on patients with 2 years or less education?? Hrmm.... what does this sound like:

http://www.dentistry.umn.edu/programs_admissions/DentalTherapyPrograms/home.html

🙄

👍

 

[flapaTron]

I think people are being way too judgmental and a little bit pompous in regards to Advanced Standing students and their experiences. You realize these are complete different countries with completely different standards of what they may and may not do with teeth? Some countries may not have the luxury of gold crowns or endodontic treatment or inlays or onlays. I'm assuming most do but I can't with confidence say all countries do. For some, I'm sure if the tooth is too broken down the best option is to extract. I'd be pretty surprised if a dentist from a developing nation ever placed veneers outside of school (if even). And school may have been years ago. That's kind of why AS students are back in dental school, to learn American standards. So I'm not really sure why people are concerned about them working on people...they're not....they're in school learning how we do things here. Duh. And as other people mentioned transitioning from real teeth to ivorine probably takes more practice than this guy might have initially thought. Try to be more helpful and less snooty..

dude. op (an internationally certified dentist) can't fabricate a clinically acceptable class II, not fancy gold crowns or esthetics. CLASS II PREP! that speaks volumes to the training. 👎