Capped PTO for full-time RPh, use it or lose it?

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Due to management oversight, I never had an official on-boarding meeting with anyone when I was first hired, so I need some guidance regarding capped PTO hours. I reached the cap on 12/8, but I didn't get to take a break off work until 12/20. So there were 13 days in between there where I had stopped accruing PTOs. Is there a way to get reimbursed for those days? I calculated that I lost about 5 PTO hours that I could have been earning. I had told my manager ahead of time that I was reaching the cap soon, asking him what I needed to do to get time off so I can start accruing again, but he either did not seem interested or just flat out ignored my questions. One of my technicians ended up being the one who helped me figure things out so that I was able to use 4 of my PTO days and take my very first vacation in a year and a half. I feel like this could have been prevented if my manager was more responsive to my concerns regarding my maxed out PTO. Would it be asking too much to ask the manager or the HR if I can get those lost 5 hours back? Or as my fiancé suggested, should I just let it go and take it as a lesson learned?

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Hmmm at the people’s republic of California, we get paid out for unused PTO and sick days... is that not the case everywhere?
 
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Hmmm at the people’s republic of California, we get paid out for unused PTO and sick days... is that not the case everywhere?

No, and that's not a state law, that's a company practice. The law is actually if you cannot take the leave due to management interference or emergency, you get paid out. But if there is a policy on leave taking such that it is reasonable to take all your leave within a current year, then it's your loss for not using it.
 
I unfortunately don't think you'll get anywhere.

I am curious, when you joined, you never at any point asked how much PTO you get per year? I also thought everyone is given a learning module that contained info on PTO.
 
I unfortunately don't think you'll get anywhere.

I am curious, when you joined, you never at any point asked how much PTO you get per year? I also thought everyone is given a learning module that contained info on PTO.

Ha, you ever work for a company that is not a large chain? When I started my current job I was shocked how informal the training process was. Not every company has fancy online modules that walk you through every company policy. OP probably signed something that said they read an employee manual and that was that.
 
It doesn't really make much sense for accrual to stop once you reach some arbitrary ceiling and then accumulation restarts once you are below that ceiling. It is more likely you reached your accumulation limit for the year on 12/8, which would have occurred whether or not you used your PTO. Your main concerns for PTO should be whether they roll over or you have to use it or lose it.

If you don't care enough about your PTO to get clarification on your company's policy, that's kind of on you. How do you expect anyone else to care more about your money or benefits than you?
 
I unfortunately don't think you'll get anywhere.

I am curious, when you joined, you never at any point asked how much PTO you get per year? I also thought everyone is given a learning module that contained info on PTO.

I do recall a "how to request time off" module but the info it contained focused on which computer application to use to submit time off requests, it was purely about the "how to" once you have decided to take time off. I don't remember it mentioning whether I can take time off, how often I can do that, PTO accrue rates, the yearly cap, do the unused hours roll over to the following fiscal year, what happens to your PTO if you don't take time off, can you cash them out, and other similarly important topics. Since I joined, I've asked my manager at least twice about PTO and each time I was just told that "you accrue at different rates according to hours worked per week, years of experience, etc etc", and the conversation just ends there. He did not mention at any time that there was a cap, and that I will stop accruing once I reached that cap. I found out about the cap entirely on my own two months ago quite by accident when I had some down time to randomly browse the HR website. I came upon a section of articles on PTO, went through all the links, found a table that explained how PTO is accrued, calculated my own accrue rate, and figured out myself that I will reach the cap in less than two months if I don't ask for some time off soon. But they had put me on the PIP at that time, so I figured asking for time off at that juncture is like asking for trouble and is pretty much out of the question. But as soon as I was off the PIP, I tried resuming the inquiry on PTO and how to take time off for Christmas so my fiancé and I can take turns to drive 7 hours back home together to visit our families for the first time in a year and a half (and to update them on my pregnancy), but again, my inquiry went nowhere. I was in fact told by my manager that it was too late to request ANY time off since it was already mid-December, and that time off requests are finished with for this year. He said if I want time off, I would have to wait until January 1st to put in a time-off request for next year when time off request submissions are open again. One of my technicians urged me to ignore what he told me, and encouraged me to talk directly to my scheduler. As soon as I contacted the scheduler, I was told we were overstaffed this month and that finding coverage for me for Christmas is actually easy. Two days after I talked to the scheduler, I was granted to use 4 of my PTO days and received 9 consecutive days off work as a result. So five days after talking to the scheduler, I started my Christmas break. I can now accrue again, but I lost out on about 4.286 PTO hours. I have my tech to thank, otherwise I am sure it would have turned out worse. I just don't understand the vague and mixed messages on what should have been a simple matter. I even asked my manager whether I could cash out my PTO hours before I hit my cap since I am not allowed to use them, and he ignored me. When I was finally granted time off, it was too last minute for my fiancé to ask for time off from his workplace. So now we are both stuck here for the winter and can't go home to see our families for Christmas. I really should have asked for time off much earlier on, but the vibes I had gotten was that PTO is just not that interesting of a topic to discuss, especially with one's manager. I had better results talking to my technicians, which was surprising.
 
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It doesn't really make much sense for accrual to stop once you reach some arbitrary ceiling and then accumulation restarts once you are below that ceiling. It is more likely you reached your accumulation limit for the year on 12/8, which would have occurred whether or not you used your PTO. Your main concerns for PTO should be whether they roll over or you have to use it or lose it.

It doesn't make sense, how? But that was what HR told me, unless I am completely confused which I suspect I am. Pharmacotherapy class is so much easier to understand than company benefits.😕

On retrospect, not being allowed to accrue additional PTO hours once an arbitrary ceiling is reached is kind of the same thing as the concept of "use it or lose it", isn't it? Or am I not understanding that correctly?

I still have 143 unused PTO hours left in my bucket. I was told by HR they do roll over to the next fiscal year... My techs said they had better roll over, they reminded me that I might need these hours for my maternity leave in May.
 
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If you don't care enough about your PTO to get clarification on your company's policy, that's kind of on you. How do you expect anyone else to care more about your money or benefits than you?

I do care, I'm just not sure I was aggressive enough to find a truly helpful answer in time. I am grateful to my techs, who seemed to also care enough to steer me in the right direction.
 
Ha, you ever work for a company that is not a large chain? When I started my current job I was shocked how informal the training process was. Not every company has fancy online modules that walk you through every company policy. OP probably signed something that said they read an employee manual and that was that.

Those modules are fancy. Talking to a friendly co-worker is still a thousand times better than a module. That was my lesson learned. I'll just pretend I volunteered 4 hours of my time at work! My wonderful fiancé just told me that I still have my store, an alive and kicking karate kid in my belly, and a roof over my head, so that's what matters.
 
I apologise but you said a lot there. Do you have questions your manager didn't answer still?
 
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Ha, you ever work for a company that is not a large chain? When I started my current job I was shocked how informal the training process was. Not every company has fancy online modules that walk you through every company policy. OP probably signed something that said they read an employee manual and that was that.

I believe op works for Walgreens.

If not, benefits would be the first thing I would ask about.
 
I apologise but you said a lot there. Do you have questions your manager didn't answer still?

Not yet. But give me five more months, and I'll definitely have more questions then! In the meantime, could you please tell me all you know about maternity leave and how that's requested/handled? That seems to be another taboo topic unsuitable for asking at work. 😀🙄
 
I apologise but you said a lot there. Do you have questions your manager didn't answer still?

Yeah I was just a little upset at myself. Sorry for writing a novel. It's not like I had a family dinner to attend to or anything, and the night feels long. +pity+
 
Not yet. But give me five more months, and I'll definitely have more questions then! In the meantime, could you please tell me all you know about maternity leave and how that's requested/handled? That seems to be another taboo topic unsuitable for asking at work. 😀🙄
 
you typically get 6 weeks disability pay (contact Sedgwick). You may get longer if c-section (8 weeks), not sure. Also i believe there is a 1 week delay from the delivery date so you would need to use PTO for that week. Anything beyond 6 weeks and up to 12 you would need to fill out a request for paid leave and use PTO/banked vacay.
 
you typically get 6 weeks disability pay (contact Sedgwick). You may get longer if c-section (8 weeks), not sure. Also i believe there is a 1 week delay from the delivery date so you would need to use PTO for that week. Anything beyond 6 weeks and up to 12 you would need to fill out a request for paid leave and use PTO/banked vacay.

Based on previous maternity leaves, this all looks right.
 
Lesson of the story, take vacation frequently, don't let it build up.
 
Use it...Who would be so stupid let it capped and going expired? That's your benefit right there...Come on.... common sense.
 
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