Caribbean Match... am I missing something?

[DocEspana]

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I think we realize whats going on here. I needed to keep my debate and fact-recall skills strong, but now I'm clocking out. Please think of the kittens before you reply to comments on here that seem to dodge any sort of fact in exchange for rhetoric.

 

[HockeyDr09]

I think we realize whats going on here. I needed to keep my debate and fact-recall skills strong, but now I'm clocking out. Please think of the kittens before you reply to comments on here that seem to dodge any sort of fact in exchange for rhetoric.

I was always more of a dog fan but fine, fine. I'll retire for the kittens.

 

[drctother]

Ok people time to pack up and leave

HockeyDr just owned all you "anti-DO"/ "pro-caribbean" with hard stats..... However, I understand if its hard to interpret the numbers as generally people who fail first year math have to go to the caribbean

Oh its ok though im not a mean person and I do understand how ****ty it will be if you dont match out of the caribbean, SO I am offering a once in a life time thing. Students who fail to match out of SGU will have to work right?!

I will hire you as my office assistant. The pay wont be the best but I promise free coffee and cookies if you come to work with a smile

 

[DrFraud]

This debate is Caribbean vs DO match rates. I posted the rates and specialty matches. The DO matches are far superior in both percentage matched and amount of competitive specialties matched. These are the facts. I'm sorry that they disagree with your perspective.

Your 'facts' are a falicy, which consists of aggrigating the good off-shore programs with the lesser off shore programs to hide data that will be less favorable to your arguments and claims.

 

[Instatewaiter]

While this is happening in your head, you self esteem is waxing, and the cognitive discorse that you experiencing of having to go to an alternative pathway is slowly waning as the perception that your choice of alternative medical schools is reinforced by multiple people who have made the same choice as you and they posting cherry picked data, make sweeping generalizations like you, and post anacdotal stories of how everyone who agrees with you must be correct.......

Stangly in anothe parallel universe, the same thing is happening, only in reverse on the SGU forum......

First, I can't tell if you are a native English speaker and just typing fast or if English is a second language or if you are trying to use words that you don't understand to make yourself sound smarter.

Second, others are posting hard data (which you can peruse here: http://www.nrmp.org/data/index.html) and you are making generalizations. If you have data, please post it to prove your point.

Third, you personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with your view point. These ad hominems don't strengthen your point and if anything it just makes you look foolish.

Finally, with regard to your ad hominem directed at me. You should do a bit of research before you assume things about me. Yes I did go to an alternative medical school with regards to this discussion. I graduated from a US MD school. I am now a resident at Hopkins so I'm pretty happy where I am now... you know, the best program in my specialty in the country. I have no horse in this race. You however do, and are making a fool of yourself. Please stop.

The end.

 

[DrFraud]

First, I can't tell if you are a native English speaker and just typing fast or if English is a second language or if you are trying to use words that you don't understand to make yourself sound smarter.

Second, others are posting hard data (which you can peruse here: http://www.nrmp.org/data/index.html) and you are making generalizations. If you have data, please post it to prove your point.

Third, you personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with your view point. These ad hominems don't strengthen your point and if anything it just makes you look foolish.

Finally, with regard to your ad hominem directed at me. You should do a bit of research before you assume things about me. Yes I did go to an alternative medical school with regards to this discussion. I graduated from a US MD school. I am now a resident at Hopkins so I'm pretty happy where I am now... you know, the best program in my specialty in the country. I have no horse in this race. You however do, and are making a fool of yourself. Please stop.

The end.

First, there is more to the data that you and members are describing here, as I have pointed out repeatedly here.

Second, I am glad that you have acheived success in a way that you find fullfilling for yourself, and likewise, I also have done so, but I do not find it neccessary to stroke my own ego by posting personal info in order to articulate an argument.

Third, you and a number of other people posting here seem to have perfected the ad hominem approach to arguing, so I find it hypocritical for you or for others who use this devise to suggest otherwise.

Fourth, I have not atteded either DO or SGU, but I do find it interesting how much time and effort both groups invest into putting down grads from other alternative programs instead of studying to be the best health care providers that they can be.

 

[Poliscidoc]

You still have not mentioned anything regarding the actual match data that I posted earlier. Although this didn't surprise me, I've decided to post a larger majority of the data. I've bolded either D.O or US IMG (Caribbean) depending on which had a higher match total.



Specialty

PGY-1 Positions

Anesthesiology
D.O 103
U.S IMG 23


Dermatology
D.O 26
U.S IMG 0

Emergency Medicine
D.O 375
U.S IMG 109

Emergency Med/Family Med
D.O 10
U.S IMG 1

Family Medicine
D.O 656
U.S IMG 439

Internal Medicine (Categorical)
D.O 609
U.S IMG 460

Neurological Surgery
D.O 12
U.S IMG 3

Neurology
D.O 31
U.S IMG 20

Obstetrics-Gynecology
D.O 173
U.S IMG 76

Orthopedic Surgery
D.O 87
U.S IMG 3

Otolaryngology
D.O 11
U.S IMG 1

Pathology
D.O 31
U.S IMG 31

Pediatrics
D.O 251
U.S IMG 147

Physical Medicine & Rehab
D.O 18
U.S IMG 9

Plastic Surgery (Integrated)
D.O 11
U.S IMG 0

Psychiatry (Categorical)
D.O 132
U.S IMG 129

Radiology-Diagnostic
D.O 8
U.S IMG 4

Surgery (Categorical)
D.O 122
U.S IMG 51

Surgery-Preliminary (PGY-1 Only)
D.O 19
U.S IMG 81

Transitional (PGY-1 Only)
D.O 267
U.S IMG 33

Urology
D.O 19
U.S IMG 0

There are more D.O's the U.S IMG's in 19 of 21 specialties, and 1 specialty had the same amount. How anyone can question whether or not to go D.O or Caribbean surprises me. If you want the M.D initials, then go for it, just know the risks. If you want to practice in the U.S however, you will be better off going to a D.O school. Just look at the data. This does not even take into account the attrition rates for the Caribbean school. Couple that with the fact that there is a possibility that Caribbean schools will be losing rotation sites, and it will be getting even worse for Caribbean grads.

Here is some more data. This is ONLY from the MD match, there were another 1600 DO's that matched in the AOA match.

Active Applicants
DO = 2,045
US IMG = 3,695

Matched
DO = 1,444
US IMG = 1,749

Unmatched
DO = 601
US IMG = 1,946 😱😱

Matching %
DO = 70%
US IMG = 47%

Of the US IMG's that made it through medical school, 1,946 of them didn't even match. This does not even take into consideration how many Caribbean grads didn't make it through the curriculum.

I really hope anyone who has to decide between Caribbean and D.O reads this post. You can't really make an educated decision without all of the data.

Again I ask, why even argue over this? The data is clear.

Did anybody read this?

This thread continues because DrFraud has produced no data?

 

[DocEspana]

Did anybody read this?

This thread continues because DrFraud has produced no data?

yes. I did and I figured the thread died there. And yes it continued because most of us (myself included) cant help but quote him and argue points. I've since stopped killing the kittens/feeding the trolls.

 

[Instatewaiter]

First, there is more to the data that you and members are describing here, as I have pointed out repeatedly here.

What you havent done is actually post that data. How 'bout you do that if there is "more data"?

Second, I am glad that you have acheived success in a way that you find fullfilling for yourself, and likewise, I also have done so, but I do not find it neccessary to stroke my own ego by posting personal info in order to articulate an argument.

Let's recap what happened: I disagreed with you. Instead of arguing a point, you tried to insult me by insinuating that I go to an "alternative medical school" and have a chip on my shoulder when fact I graduated from a US med school with a very solid record. So you look like an idiot, and instead of just wiping the egg off of your face and moving on like an adult you make a second ad hominem. I mean really buddy? You want to do personal attacks, fine:

Now why haven't you posted any personal info? Well there are 2 likely reasons-either you are one level headed person without need to "stroke your own ego" or what you have to post is at best mediocre and would basically cause everyone on this board to laugh at you. Given your propensity for personal attacks and the fact that you are arguing so vehemently, #1 (the level-headed hypothesis) seems unlikely.

So I'm guessing either you couldn't match the first time out or all you could get was a crappy community psych residency after coming from AUC. Stop me when I'm getting too close to home. Unlike some on this board, I do my research. From your posts, right after the match in 2010 you say,
"I learned 2 important things after going through the match and this applies to everyone...
1) don't ever underestimate the competitiveness of a specialty
2) have a backup plan "

So basically, you underestimated the competitiveness of whatever you were applying to, didn't match and didn't have a back up plan. Perhaps that is why you are still listed as a medical student when you should be a resident. Now how's that Carribean education working out for you?

But I'm just speculating.

 

[GTP]

What you havent done is actually post that data. How 'bout you do that if there is "more data"?




Let's recap what happened: I disagreed with you. Instead of arguing a point, you tried to insult me by insinuating that I go to an "alternative medical school" and have a chip on my shoulder when fact I graduated from a US med school with a very solid record. So you look like an idiot, and instead of just wiping the egg off of your face and moving on like an adult you make a second ad hominem. I mean really buddy? You want to do personal attacks, fine:

Now why haven't you posted any personal info? Well there are 2 likely reasons-either you are one level headed person without need to "stroke your own ego" or what you have to post is at best mediocre and would basically cause everyone on this board to laugh at you. Given your propensity for personal attacks and the fact that you are arguing so vehemently, #1 (the level-headed hypothesis) seems unlikely.

So I'm guessing either you couldn't match the first time out or all you could get was a crappy community psych residency after coming from AUC. Stop me when I'm getting too close to home. Unlike some on this board, I do my research. From your posts, right after the match in 2010 you say,
"I learned 2 important things after going through the match and this applies to everyone...
1) don't ever underestimate the competitiveness of a specialty
2) have a backup plan "

So basically, you underestimated the competitiveness of whatever you were applying to, didn't match and didn't have a back up plan. Perhaps that is why you are still listed as a medical student when you should be a resident. Now how's that Carribean education working out for you?

But I'm just speculating.

Lol alright. I think Dr Fraud has been pwned enough 🙂. I think he has learned his lesson.

 

[DrFraud]

What you havent done is actually post that data. How 'bout you do that if there is "more data"?




Let's recap what happened: I disagreed with you. Instead of arguing a point, you tried to insult me by insinuating that I go to an "alternative medical school" and have a chip on my shoulder when fact I graduated from a US med school with a very solid record. So you look like an idiot, and instead of just wiping the egg off of your face and moving on like an adult you make a second ad hominem. I mean really buddy? You want to do personal attacks, fine.

Yeah you don't have too much of a chip on your shoulder......You may claim to have a very outstanding academic record, but the manner that you communicate your intelligence and how you handle dealing with someone who you disagree with online suggests that you are anything but a scholar.

 

[DrFraud]

Lol alright. I think Dr Fraud has been pwned enough 🙂. I think he has learned his lesson.

naw, I still believe that for many people here who went DO, finding a group to bash, and doing this annonomously online somehow is supposed to make up for the fact that you didn't get your first choice of going LCME MD. This debate is much much more than a discussion of statistics or comparision of two professions.

 

[CascadaFan]

So moving on to something more productive.

Rebecca Black- Marketing Genius?

 

[HockeyDr09]

So moving on to something more productive.

Rebecca Black- Marketing Genius?

Marketing Genius!

Lower your volume for this one, it scared the crap out of me.


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[MRSAful Fate]

Marketing Genius!

Lower your volume for this one, it scared the crap out of me.


[YOUTUBE]pi00ykRg_5c[/YOUTUBE]

That cover is pretty awesome

 

[oar2386]

naw, I still believe that for many people here who went DO, finding a group to bash, and doing this annonomously online somehow is supposed to make up for the fact that you didn't get your first choice of going LCME MD. This debate is much much more than a discussion of statistics or comparision of two professions.

Your right, its a one sided butt kicking.
Anyone have a meme of a kid with his fingers in his ears going lalalalalala carribean is better lalalalalalalala. Cause that would totally be dr fraud

 

[Kgizzle]

i guess the point dr Fraud is trying to make is that attending a top 4 carribean school=DO when it comes to the match. Only problem is he hasn't really provided any evidence to back up those claims...also, it is quite obvious from the numbers that were posted that DO out competes carribean schools in terms of matching into specialties... so i guess what im trying to say is yesterday was thursdayyyyy....today is fridayyy...we we we gonna party... dammit

 

[patel2]

To the mods: IMO the post about Match Outcomes of DO (AOA +ACGME) versus IMG should be stickied somewhere, as it is a good piece of data for someone new to the forum considering both options.

 

[DrFraud]

i guess the point dr Fraud is trying to make is that attending a top 4 carribean school=DO when it comes to the match. Only problem is he hasn't really provided any evidence to back up those claims...also, it is quite obvious from the numbers that were posted that DO out competes carribean schools in terms of matching into specialties... so i guess what im trying to say is yesterday was thursdayyyyy....today is fridayyy...we we we gonna party... dammit

No what I am trying to say is that a DO or a DO student's desire to see himself/herself in a better light than others is due to two factors - 1) a result of being a DO and knowing that you are an alternative to LCME MD and the 2), your need to elevate your self esteem by looking for another group of alternative students to put down in the way that you feel put down by U.S LCME MDs in order to rescue your self worth.

A graduate from my school has a much better chance of matching into an Allopathic residency that the aggrage data from DO programs posted on this thread. Regardless of which set of data is more favorable, my aforementioned statements summarize my opinion of why you and others feel the need to bash IMG MDs annonomously online.

 

[patel2]

No what I am trying to say is that a DO or a DO student's desire to see himself/herself in a better light than others is due to two factors - 1) a result of being a DO and knowing that you are an alternative to LCME MD and the 2), your need to elevate your self esteem by looking for another group of alternative students to put down in the way that you feel put down by U.S LCME MDs in order to rescue your self worth.

A graduate from my school has a much better chance of matching into an Allopathic residency that the aggrage data from DO programs posted on this thread. Regardless of which set of data is more favorable, my aforementioned statements summarize my opinion of why you and others feel the need to bash IMG MDs annonomously online.

Maybe that's true, but you go to AUC which has a 25%+ attrition rate first year. If DOs eliminated the bottom 1/4 of their class from day 1, I'm sure the match lists would seem much better. Second, you provide no data or proof about any of the claims you make regarding your match. It's not a matter of bashing IMG MDs or elevating status versus the other (personally, I am neither DO nor IMG), but providing pre-meds who are considering both routes with the DO perspective, and some solid data to back up this perspective. ValueMD is the source of providing the other side of the argument (i.e. why the DO stigma outweighs all other risks).

And when an MD posts on this forum supporting the notion that DOs ultimately fare better in the overall match, you start a series of ad hominem attacks on him, because your "DOs carry a chip on their shoulders" theory isn't as applicable to that situation.

 

[DrFraud]

Maybe that's true, but you go to AUC which has a 25%+ attrition rate first year. If DOs eliminated the bottom 1/4 of their class from day 1, I'm sure the match lists would seem much better. Second, you provide no data or proof about any of the claims you make regarding your match. It's not a matter of bashing IMG MDs or elevating status versus the other (personally, I am neither DO nor IMG), but providing pre-meds who are considering both routes with the DO perspective, and some solid data to back up this perspective. ValueMD is the source of providing the other side of the argument (i.e. why the DO stigma outweighs all other risks).

And when an MD posts on this forum supporting the notion that DOs ultimately fare better in the overall match, you start a series of ad hominem attacks on him, because your "DOs carry a chip on their shoulders" theory isn't as applicable to that situation.

You are forgetting something....I am an MD!!!! Again, I don't carry around statistics in my back pocket about this information, because quite frankly, I really don't believe this debate is about interpreting data as much as it is about wanting the data to say one thing vs. another and to use the data to supports an argument.

There are lots of astericks that can be placed in front of the numbers on both sides of this equation, but the bottom line is that graduates from my program have a better than 70% match rate which is the aggrage data for DOs who applied to Allopathic. Is it 91%? Is it 96%? I'm honestly not sure. I am sure it is much better than 70%, but again, I really don't believe that this is debate is about who can provide the better data set.

This is really much more of an emotional argument, as evidence by the vitriol that has been directed at me for challenging opinions that shape the self-worth of DOs and DO students.

 

[HockeyDr09]

To the mods: IMO the post about Match Outcomes of DO (AOA +ACGME) versus IMG should be stickied somewhere, as it is a good piece of data for someone new to the forum considering both options.

I agree with this 😀. A sticky with the data would be awesome. The forum is full of Carb. MD vs DO threads and I feel it would be a valuable resource for people to at least have some concrete data about something. If a mod was interested in that at all, they could PM me and I'll make the data more presentable, and cite everything.

 

[GTP]

You are forgetting something....I am an MD!!!! Again, I don't carry around statistics in my back pocket about this information, because quite frankly, I really don't believe this debate is about interpreting data as much as it is about wanting the data to say one thing vs. another and to use the data to supports an argument.

There are lots of astericks that can be placed in front of the numbers on both sides of this equation, but the bottom line is that graduates from my program have a better than 70% match rate which is the aggrage data for DOs who applied to Allopathic. Is it 91%? Is it 96%? I'm honestly not sure. I am sure it is much better than 70%, but again, I really don't believe that this is debate is about who can provide the better data set.

This is really much more of an emotional argument, as evidence by the vitriol that has been directed at me for challenging opinions that shape the self-worth of DOs and DO students.

Dr. fraud. Go back to valuemd. We have been through this already. DO match is ~100%. Stop ignoring the AOA matches. It's actually starting to get annoying. Why do we have to keep rehashing this for you?

 

[Kgizzle]

No what I am trying to say is that a DO or a DO student's desire to see himself/herself in a better light than others is due to two factors - 1) a result of being a DO and knowing that you are an alternative to LCME MD and the 2), your need to elevate your self esteem by looking for another group of alternative students to put down in the way that you feel put down by U.S LCME MDs in order to rescue your self worth.

A graduate from my school has a much better chance of matching into an Allopathic residency that the aggrage data from DO programs posted on this thread. Regardless of which set of data is more favorable, my aforementioned statements summarize my opinion of why you and others feel the need to bash IMG MDs annonomously online.

I am not trying to bash you or your degree. I'm just being realistic. All the data presented previously clearly shows that being a DO offers you a better chance to specialize and obtain an ACGME spot. Additionally, the stigma attached to the DO degree does not come close to matching that of a foreign trained physician. Unfortunately what you fail to realize is that most of us cannot put 4 years of effort, have over 200k in debt and not match just because of a hunch/opinion. The burden of proof lies on you, my friend. If you can show succintly that attending a top 4 carrib school is better than matriculating from a DO school then im pretty sure most people would opt for that option.

PS. its not just DOs hating looks like US MDs are hating too

 

[Grey Wind]

So let's actually look at the data, shall we?
http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2010.pdf

There were just over 2000 DO applicants and just under 10,000 IMGs. So, you should expect roughly 5x as many IMGs

Derm- there are a total of 360 PGY 1 and PGY 2 positions
DOs took 1, IMGs took 9. So DOs make up 0.2%, IMGs make up 9 times that (2.25%).

Therefore, neither are even close to appropriately represented but IMGs are closer

Ortho- 653 filled. 3 by osteo (0.4%), 15 by IMG (2.2%)

ENT- 279 spots- 1 DO (0.35%), 5 IMG (1.8%)

Neurosurg- 188 spots 1 DO 7 IMG

Plastics -69 spots, 0 DOs, 3 IMG

The data shows that DOs are not appropriately represented, or even close... neither are IMGs. There is a very obvious bias against DOs as anyone who has actually gone through the match will tell you.




First, I doubt the DO bias ever came up and second they wouldn't tell you straight to your face even if it did.

Since actions speak louder than words let's look at the residency class make up at some of these places. Let's pick a non-competitive specialty like IM and look at some of the well known programs.

Johns Hopkins Hospital, MGH, Brigham and Womens, BIDMC, Duke, Penn, UCSF, OHSU, Stanford, UVA, Columbia, Mt Sinai, Wash U, Michigan, Yale, Vandy

I guarantee I can find a student from even the lowest tier MD school in these programs but you can't find a single DO student. You however do see some IMGs (for instance JHH has 3 that I know of). I am not saying that there is no IMG bias because there is. But, were there no DO bias you would expect over 150 DOs to be in these programs alone. There are none.

Even places like Penn, that have a DO school blocks away, have 0 DO students in their IM program. They do have students from both Jeff and Temple though.

I am not saying this to start a war. But to say that there is no DO bias when there obviously is and to say that program directors told you they have no bias when they don't take a single DO seems funny.

FYI, not that it really matters, but for those out there that care JHH has 2 DO's in their ER residency program. i'm pretty sure i've seen DO's in some of their other programs, but am too tired to look.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/emergencymedicine/residency/people/Pgy1.html

 

[DocMiles]

FYI, not that it really matters, but for those out there that care JHH has 2 DO's in their ER residency program. i'm pretty sure i've seen DO's in some of their other programs, but am too tired to look.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/emergencymedicine/residency/people/Pgy1.html

Hopkins actually has 2 DO's in their EM PY1 class and 7 in their entire program

 

[OzelloPiRat]

Plus two on faculty.

 

[HockeyDr09]

American University of the Caribbean (Dr. Fraud Land) 2010 Match Data

Anesthesiology - 1
Emergency Medicine - 11
Family Practice - 46
General Surgery - 4
Internal Medicine - 59
Neurology - 3
OB/GYN - 12
Pathology - 1
Pediatrics - 16
Prelim Medicine - 9
Prelim Surgery - 6
Psychiatry Residency - 12
Radiology - 2
Traditional Year - 5
Total 187

~340 students start a year. They have three start dates, January, May, and September. I am trying to find concrete evidence showing their actual enrollment numbers, but they virtually impossible to find.


DMU-COM Class of 2010

Anesthesiology - 9
Emergency Medicine - 26
Family Medicine - 43
Internal Medicine - 30
Medicine-Preliminary - 6
Neurology - 4
Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine - OMT 1
Obstetrics - Gynecology - 14
Ophthalmology - 4
Otolaryngology - 1
Pathology -3
Pediatrics -16
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation - 10
Psychiatry - 9
Radiology - Diagnostic - 3
Surgery - General - 6
Surgery - Neurological - 1
Surgery - Orthopaedic - 6
Surgery - Otolaryn & Facial Plastic - 2
Traditional Rotating Internship - 7

Total Students - 201
Started with ~212

One start date.


You can draw your own conclusions from the data.

 

[Kgizzle]

case closed?

 

[Rook1317]

As painful as it was, I couldn't help myself and I read this entire thread. Good read for anyone considering the Carib. My advice: even if it takes an extra year to get into a DO program, DO it!

 

[drctother]

haha oh man this is still going. I feel like we need to get pictures of each DO at their hospital and than take pictures of the AUC grads (or X-students with their sad faces and debt bills) to convince these people ahh

I will always believe DO > Caribbean and frankly I dont give two ****s if people in the caribbean drop out or succeed. Good on them if they succeed. If people think my choices are limited cuz I went DO, i will laugh at your stupidity and see you in 10 years when im fully licensed and loving life

 

[GTP]

American University of the Caribbean (Dr. Fraud Land) 2010 Match Data

Anesthesiology - 1
Emergency Medicine - 11
Family Practice - 46
General Surgery - 4
Internal Medicine - 59
Neurology - 3
OB/GYN - 12
Pathology - 1
Pediatrics - 16
Prelim Medicine - 9
Prelim Surgery - 6
Psychiatry Residency - 12
Radiology - 2
Traditional Year - 5
Total 187

~340 students start a year. They have three start dates, January, May, and September. I am trying to find concrete evidence showing their actual enrollment numbers, but they virtually impossible to find.


DMU-COM Class of 2010

Anesthesiology - 9
Emergency Medicine - 26
Family Medicine - 43
Internal Medicine - 30
Medicine-Preliminary - 6
Neurology - 4
Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine - OMT 1
Obstetrics - Gynecology - 14
Ophthalmology - 4
Otolaryngology - 1
Pathology -3
Pediatrics -16
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation - 10
Psychiatry - 9
Radiology - Diagnostic - 3
Surgery - General - 6
Surgery - Neurological - 1
Surgery - Orthopaedic - 6
Surgery - Otolaryn & Facial Plastic - 2
Traditional Rotating Internship - 7

Total Students - 201
Started with ~212

One start date.


You can draw your own conclusions from the data.

Thank you man..hopefully now fraud can take a hint and shut the **** up.

 

[munchymanRX]

Haha, most epic troll I've seen on SDN in a while.


One good troll deserves another, I guess....


Rebecca Black...the voice of our generation?

 

[drctother]

Haha, most epic troll I've seen on SDN in a while.


One good troll deserves another, I guess....


Rebecca Black...the voice of our generation?

Rebecca Black for President?????👍

 

[munchymanRX]

Rebecca Black for President?????👍

Black////Palin 2012!!

 

[DrFraud]

Thank you man..hopefully now fraud can take a hint and shut the **** up.

It's posts like this that remind me day in and day out how low a stardard that exists these days at some programs that are in the business of educating doctors.

As long as you wish to try and live the life a U.S. LCME MD by trying to find another groups to kick around, in the end all you will be doing is reminding the world every time you do go on a rant like this that you are trying to compensate for the fact that you didn't get your first choice - LCME MD.

 

[GTP]

It's posts like this that remind me day in and day out how low a stardard that exists these days at some programs that are in the business of educating doctors.

As long as you all want to try and live the life a U.S. LCME MDs by trying to find other groups to kick around, in the end all you will be doing is reminding the world every time you do go on a rant like this that you are trying to compensate for the fact that you didn't get your first choice - LCME MD.

lol we are not talking about my bedside manners here. But sorry if I hurt your feelings. However, you should stop rehashing your "D.Os have low self-esteems and need others to put down" theory. HockeyDr posted data showing collective D.O vs IMG results. You complained about that. New data has now been posted about DMU vs. AUC, which should hopefully put all your anecdotal beliefs to bed.

 

[oar2386]

It's posts like this that remind me day in and day out how low a stardard that exists these days at some programs that are in the business of educating doctors.

As long as you wish to try and live the life a U.S. LCME MD by trying to find another groups to kick around, in the end all you will be doing is reminding the world every time you do go on a rant like this that you are trying to compensate for the fact that you didn't get your first choice - LCME MD.

Aren't you at AUC because you failed to get your first choice ....US md.
Hypocrite

 

[munchymanRX]

The stench of dead kittens is getting overwhelming, guys.

Please think of all the baby cats.......

 

[DocEspana]

The stench of dead kittens is getting overwhelming, guys.

Please think of all the baby cats.......

👍

:troll:

 

[Instatewaiter]

A graduate from my school has a much better chance of matching into an Allopathic residency that the aggrage data from DO programs posted on this thread. Regardless of which set of data is more favorable, my aforementioned statements summarize my opinion of why you and others feel the need to bash IMG MDs annonomously online.

Well then please post this data because all the data we have says basically the contrary.

You are forgetting something....I am an MD!!!! Again, I don't carry around statistics in my back pocket about this information, because quite frankly, I really don't believe this debate is about interpreting data as much as it is about wanting the data to say one thing vs. another and to use the data to supports an argument.

That brings me to my next question... which you never answered. You say you are an MD, so you graduated... Did you match?

FYI, not that it really matters, but for those out there that care JHH has 2 DO's in their ER residency program. i'm pretty sure i've seen DO's in some of their other programs, but am too tired to look.

Believe it or not the JHH EM program is not a very good program as EM programs go. It is not even the best program in Baltimore. Pretty much every other program at Hopkins is the top or one of the top programs in the country. The EM program isn't even close although it is still pretty well regarded. That said, one of the best PGY1s is a DO and he is an excellent resident and really knows his stuff. He definitely out performs most of his MD classmates.

 

[DocEspana]

Believe it or not the JHH EM program is not a very good program as EM programs go. It is not even the best program in Baltimore. Pretty much every other program at Hopkins is the top or one of the top programs in the country. The EM program isn't even close although it is still pretty well regarded. That said, one of the best PGY1s is a DO and he is an excellent resident and really knows his stuff. He definitely out performs most of his MD classmates.

Not trying to disagree with you, but it is a level I trauma center. Shouldn't that, alone, qualify it as a pretty strong ER program since they have to take all the junk the other hospitals around town wont even look at. I feel like that should lend it a lot of respect for its EM program over others in baltimore.

(with that said. Don't know anything about Maryland hospitals, nor what better hospitals might exist for EM within baltimore proper. It just seems odd to have more than one level I trauma center and have it be better than JHH within the same city.)

 

[Grey Wind]

Believe it or not the JHH EM program is not a very good program as EM programs go. It is not even the best program in Baltimore. Pretty much every other program at Hopkins is the top or one of the top programs in the country. The EM program isn't even close although it is still pretty well regarded. That said, one of the best PGY1s is a DO and he is an excellent resident and really knows his stuff. He definitely out performs most of his MD classmates.[/QUOTE]

well, i'm still impressed 😉 i dont know anything other than the name recog regarding these programs.

http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/currentresidents.html

some DO's in their IM bayview residency as well.

 

[hopeinternist]

aren't you at auc because you failed to get your first choice ....us md.
Hypocrite

+1

 

[gravitywave]

Not trying to disagree with you, but it is a level I trauma center. Shouldn't that, alone, qualify it as a pretty strong ER program since they have to take all the junk the other hospitals around town wont even look at. I feel like that should lend it a lot of respect for its EM program over others in baltimore.

(with that said. Don't know anything about Maryland hospitals, nor what better hospitals might exist for EM within baltimore proper. It just seems odd to have more than one level I trauma center and have it be better than JHH within the same city.)

...and it's because Maryland is a little weird when it comes to accrediting trauma centers. they actually have a more comprehensive designation above Level I, the UM trauma center has it, and JHH doesn't. JHH presumably is weaker, even with the Level I status, precisely because they don't get all the stuff that no one else will touch. the worst cases will go to UM.

....and that's why school name doesn't mean much.

carry on. 🙂

 

[DocEspana]

...and it's because Maryland is a little weird when it comes to accrediting trauma centers. they actually have a more comprehensive designation above Level I, the UM trauma center has it, and JHH doesn't. JHH presumably is weaker, even with the Level I status, precisely because they don't get all the stuff that no one else will touch. the worst cases will go to UM.

....and that's why school name doesn't mean much.

carry on. 🙂

Oh yea. UM Shock Trauma. Totally forgot about that. I should know it. My DO-crush (Dr. Miglietta) went there. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Grey Wind]

...and it's because Maryland is a little weird when it comes to accrediting trauma centers. they actually have a more comprehensive designation above Level I, the UM trauma center has it, and JHH doesn't. JHH presumably is weaker, even with the Level I status, precisely because they don't get all the stuff that no one else will touch. the worst cases will go to UM.

....and that's why school name doesn't mean much.

carry on. 🙂

good info, thankya

 

[Instatewaiter]

Not trying to disagree with you, but it is a level I trauma center. Shouldn't that, alone, qualify it as a pretty strong ER program since they have to take all the junk the other hospitals around town wont even look at. I feel like that should lend it a lot of respect for its EM program over others in baltimore.

(with that said. Don't know anything about Maryland hospitals, nor what better hospitals might exist for EM within baltimore proper. It just seems odd to have more than one level I trauma center and have it be better than JHH within the same city.)

Looks like gravity wave beat me to it but Shock Trauma gets basically all the trauma in Baltimore and most in maryland. They have basically an entire building for trauma cases. From what I have heard, it's pretty impressive. They are arguably the best trauma program in the country and unquestionably better than hopkins. So while Hopkins probably sees a lot of the crazy IM and surgery cases because it's hopkins, these tend to get admitted directly to the floor rather than through the ED. If they do come through the ED, the attending (medicine or surgery) admitting to the hospital them basically tells the ED what to do.

I can tell you from what I have seen (with the exception of some exceptional residents) the ED at hopkins is nothing special.

well, i'm still impressed 😉 i dont know anything other than the name recog regarding these programs.

http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/currentresidents.html

some DO's in their IM bayview residency as well.

EM is kinda a weird bag when it comes to what are some of the great programs. Things like Denver, Shock trauma and a bunch of others are the good programs. So unless you are well versed in EM you wouldn't even think twice about some of these programs if you saw them on a match list.

That said, EM is one of those specialties where DOs have made major in-roads so you will likely see some DOs even at top programs. Things like Medicine, surgery and surgical subspecialties are things where similar inroads have not been made.

So while Bayview's IM program is a high second tier vs borderline top tier program- It is not on the same plane as MGH, BWH, UCSF or JHH. It is a very good program though, with a very solid match list. They have a bunch of DOs from NYCOM if I remember correctly and one was a chief resident recently.