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Hi, dont know if anyone can help. I am trying to decide between medical school in the caribbean (AUC, SGU, or ROSS) or the U.K.? Sometimes I hear the caribbean is better because it mirrors U.S. training...and other times I hear that the U.K. is better because better chances of getting residency of your choice.

If anyone knows anything on this subject, please respond.

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Caribbean without a doubt. The UK schools are not as well established and that could lead to problems with licensure in certain states. I think Texas requires a school to be in existance for at least 15 years? Ross, AUC and St. George all older than 25 years. Residency programs are familiar with the big 3 and will yield to less problems than the UK schools. There is no competitive advantage to attending a UK school.

If you think you can fool a program director into thinking your school is somewhat prestigious simply because it's located in the U.K., you are very wrong. Residency programs are very well aware of private schools like St. Christophers in England, which are basically Caribbean schools in Europe. They are full of Americans who failed to get into a U.S. school. The schools in Ireland are viewed in the same way.
 
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delroy are you delusional?

REAL UK schools do NOT include St Chris's. Most UK and Irish schools have been around for HUNDREADS of years. Irish schools such as UCD, UCC and trinity are recognized world wide.

Not only are you ignorant of the truth but totally misleading someone else.

read something before you spout off such crap.
 
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Mike,

The way I read Daelroys post is that he is presuming* the OP is talking about St. Chris et. al. rather than real UK schools. I agree with everything you say about the history of real UK/Irish schools though (for example: my school had been training doctors for 300 years before Flexner and the 1st US schools).

All the best,

W4G.

*Not an unfair assumption given they are closer to Carib. schools than UK schools in nature (and admissions standards).
 

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well, I dont think UK schools are inferior, their education is probably far superior to a carib education.

But a lot of the hospitals I've rotated have had foreign trained doctors, excluding carib grads, and many have said that not training at US hospitals hurt them in the match.
 

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From my experience US residency directors (in US east coast IM University programs anyway) look up to UK clinical training and are keen to have residents from UK schools. Real UK schools that is - obviously this does not extend to St Chris and other fake schools (for which I heard open scorn)!

At the end of the day don't pick a medical school on how it'll help you get a residency in any particular place or speciality - pick the medical school that will let you be the best doctor you can be and the rest will fall into place...
 

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If you are planning on residency in the US AND you are a US citizen the Carib schools are better in terms of USMLE focused studies.

Irish schools such as those mentioned are excellent schools and will train you very well, but you will have to jump through a couple extra hoops for a US residency.

If I truly had the opportunity and the extra year then I would have gone Irish and enjoyed every minute of it. But the Carib (Ross/SGU/AUC) is a fine alternative.
 
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McGill

I would agree with that with one addition, make sure you know what your getting into int he carib. It isnt easy as evidenced by the 50% (orso) drop out or failure rate.
 

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Mike MacKinnon said:
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I would agree with that with one addition, make sure you know what your getting into int he carib. It isnt easy as evidenced by the 50% (orso) drop out or failure rate.
Just to elaborate for others... probably around 50% overall for ALL caribbean schools... maybe about 10 to 15% at the big 3 (AUC, SGU, Ross)
 

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Mike MacKinnon said:
delroy are you delusional?

REAL UK schools do NOT include St Chris's. Most UK and Irish schools have been around for HUNDREADS of years. Irish schools such as UCD, UCC and trinity are recognized world wide.

Not only are you ignorant of the truth but totally misleading someone else.

read something before you spout off such crap.
Mike

Check your facts next time before you insult someone else because you just exposed yourself for being a fool. Yes, St. Chris is not part of the British educational system but none of the other REALBritish medical school accept American students with 2.0 GPA's and weak MCAT's like some caribbean medical school. The schools the OP was inquiring about were the ones in Britain and Ireland that accept American students who were unable to get into medical school in the United States ie: their version of Caribbean schools. What the hell did you think he was inquiring about, Oxford? Use some common sense. Anyone who is seriously considering a Caribbean medical school isn't inquiring about a real British/Irish school you *****. I take it you didn't do to well on the verbal section of the MCAT with reasoning like yours.

If you think residencies will look favorably upon you simply becaue you attended Royal College in Ireland then you are sadly mistaken because residency directors know RCSI and other Irish school accept rich Americans with weak admission stats. If you think a program director is going to give your bonus points because you went to Ireland for medical school versus a Caribbean school, you are in for a shock because you will endure the same hurdles as them. It's sad there are a lot of people like yourself who flock to these schools with this false impression until they apply for residency and discover the truth. Educate yourself before you make a huge mistake. And by educating yourseld, I'm not talking about talking to your future roommate at RCSI or wherever you are going. Talk to an actual residency director or a senior resident that graduated from a U.S. school and ask them if they look more favorably upon Irish grads versus St. George/Ross/AUC grads. I already know the answer to that but I suggest you learn the truth for yourself.
 
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What are you an idiot?

He asked and i quote:

Hi, dont know if anyone can help. I am trying to decide between medical school in the caribbean (AUC, SGU, or ROSS) or the U.K.? Sometimes I hear the caribbean is better because it mirrors U.S. training...and other times I hear that the U.K. is better because better chances of getting residency of your choice.

If anyone knows anything on this subject, please respond.

Thanks


He did not at all suggest he meant schools like St Chris. You are clearly delusional. He said "UK Schools". In fact, all UK schools take in up to 10% non-UK students including North American.

You said this:

Caribbean without a doubt. The UK schools are not as well established and that could lead to problems with licensure in certain states. I think Texas requires a school to be in existance for at least 15 years? Ross, AUC and St. George all older than 25 years. Residency programs are familiar with the big 3 and will yield to less problems than the UK schools. There is no competitive advantage to attending a UK school.

If you think you can fool a program director into thinking your school is somewhat prestigious simply because it's located in the U.K., you are very wrong. Residency programs are very well aware of private schools like St. Christophers in England, which are basically Caribbean schools in Europe. They are full of Americans who failed to get into a U.S. school. The schools in Ireland are viewed in the same way.


YOUR post suggests he is talking about places like St Chris, his dosent at all. Moreover, your totally wrong as to what people think of real Irish schools, there are no private ones and they are seen in a very high regard.

Then in your most recent rant of lunacy you stated this:

Yes, St. Chris is not part of the British educational system but none of the other REALBritish medical school accept American students with 2.0 GPA's and weak MCAT's like some caribbean medical school. The schools the OP was inquiring about were the ones in Britain and Ireland that accept American students who were unable to get into medical school in the United States ie: their version of Caribbean schools.

No where did the poster say he had a 2.0 GPA. No where did he suggest he did badly. You made that up in your delusional mind. Again, idiot.

Lastly, your challenging someone who works in the system and knows the truths of the matter (besides researching it for the last year myself). You, obviously, are clueless. Now next time you want to fight a battle of witts.... please dont come unarmed.
 

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Mike MacKinnon said:
Lastly, your challenging someone who works in the system and knows the truths of the matter (besides researching it for the last year myself). You, obviously, are clueless. Now next time you want to fight a battle of witts.... please dont come unarmed.
Right! :rolleyes: You know absolutely nothing and I'm not afraid to call you on that. You don't impress anyone let alone me.
 
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daelroy said:
Right! :rolleyes: You know absolutely nothing and I'm not afraid to call you on that. You don't impress anyone let alone me.
Awesome

A reply which totally validates me and shows you for an idiot. Well done.
 

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Mike MacKinnon said:
YOUR post suggests he is talking about places like St Chris, his dosent at all. Moreover, your totally wrong as to what people think of real Irish schools, there are no private ones and they are seen in a very high regard.

No where did the poster say he had a 2.0 GPA. No where did he suggest he did badly. You made that up in your delusional mind. Again, idiot.
Hey Mike

If a person is deciding between caribbean and UK/Irish/European schools, chances are he doesn't have competitive stats. He doesn't have to say anything; it's implied unless of course you think he has a 3.5 and 30 MCAT and just prefers to attend Ross, and other European schools because he wants to "broaden his horizons" versus going to a U.S. school. The last I checked, people with high stats aren't dying to study medicine in the Caribbean.

***** :rolleyes:
 
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daelroy said:
Hey Mike

If a person is deciding between caribbean and UK/Irish/European schools, chances are he doesn't have competitive stats. He doesn't have to say anything; it's implied unless of course you think he has a 3.5 and 30 MCAT and just prefers to attend Ross, and other European schools because he wants to "broaden his horizons" versus going to a U.S. school. The last I checked, people with high stats aren't dying to study medicine in the Caribbean.

***** :rolleyes:
Delroy

No, you make that assumption and insult me because your assumption is simply baseless. Your guessing. As for EU schools, the average entrance stats for UK schools is a GPA >3.8 and an MCAT > 30. So it is entirely possible. You just realise you made a mistake and now your trying to backpedal.

BTW, it isnt working.

Mike MacKinnon CEN CFRN BSN RN
 

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Mike MacKinnon said:
Delroy

No, you make that assumption and insult me because your assumption is simply baseless. Your guessing. As for EU schools, the average entrance stats for UK schools is a GPA >3.8 and an MCAT > 30. So it is entirely possible. You just realise you made a mistake and now your trying to backpedal.

BTW, it isnt working.

Mike MacKinnon CEN CFRN BSN RN
How is my assumption baseless? If someone is seriously considering caribbean schools, you are assuming he/she has competitive stats to get into a true EU school that has competitive admission stats. That's like someone saying: "Yeah, I applied to Harvard, Yale, Duke, Stanford and Ross." That's the type of weak argument you are making. Use your common sense. If someone is asking about Caribbean medical schools then chances are they don't have the stats to even consider a real medical school in Britain.

You just didn't think and now you are trying to spin your way out of this. Think before you get angry next time.
 
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