Case vs Northwestern?

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I guess I'm just a little confused on why most people on this thread think Case doesn't have a brand name. I've never met anyone from the medical profession who doesn't know what Cleveland Clinic is...
 
Actually, both of the people who told you guys this are wrong. The CCLCM curriculum is about 1/4 PBL, 1/3 seminar, and the rest is clinical and other. Year 1, we have 6 hours of PBL, 8 hours of seminar, 1.5 hours of FCM (medicine and society), 4 hours of clinic/clinical skills/communications, and 1 hour of research seminar per week (6 hours of PBL out of 20.5 hours total per week). Second year is almost the same except we have 8 hours of clinic/clinical skills/communications per week (6 hours of PBL out of 24.5 hours total per week).

Ha, shows you how much Christian knows about CCLCM 🙄
 
nu2004 says: seriously, put these weakass arguments away.

No one is arguing. I am just expressing an opinion and a general perception.
 
I guess I'm just a little confused on why most people on this thread think Case doesn't have a brand name. I've never met anyone from the medical profession who doesn't know what Cleveland Clinic is...


Because Case is not a "brand name" as a school. Harvard, Hopkins, Yale, The Ivy League, Standford for instance, .... are. Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic have been great marketing institutions, creating a "brand" for the medical care of patients competing successfully with other medical practices. ( a bit different than existing for the sole purpose of training and teaching medical students)
 
Because Case is not a "brand name" as a school. Harvard, Hopkins, Yale, The Ivy League, Standford for instance, .... are. Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic have been great marketing institutions, creating a "brand" for the medical care of patients competing successfully with other medical practices. ( a bit different than existing for the sole purpose of training and teaching medical students)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Brand name??

Hospitals are respected for the physicians, surgeons, and researchers that work there. The name of the institution means nothing in itself.

If you browse the residency forums, you will see many discussions of physician leaders who change institutions and leave their former departments in shambles with little more than a prestigious name. It happens all the time since "brand name" places do not typically pay well.

Brand names are marketing tools that appeal to uninformed laypeople. If you are going to become a doctor, you need to get over this and start incorporating evidence into your decision making.
 
One concern about case, their newly revamped (and still being revamped) curriculum has lowered their mean Step 1 score, and these new changes for the 08 class may lower it even more, so if you are interested in something highly competitive this may be something to consider.

First, I'd like to know what evidence you have to back up your statement that the Step 1 went down. You may not be aware that the most recent Step 1 values would correspond to the Class of 2009 which has the traditional curriculum, albeit compressed into 1.6 years with the advent of the research requirement. Hard to speak about the "newly revamped" curriculum when those students haven't yet taken Step 1.

Second, equating a school's overall Step 1 with your individual chance of going into "something competitive" is erroneous in so many ways.
 
I was recently admitted to both Case and Northwestern. Between the two, I am leaning towards Northwestern, but I wanted to hear what others might say out of curiosity's sake. How do the two compare in terms of quality of clinical training, research, and reputation? Any idea which one has better success with landing people into the more competitive residencies?

My knowledge on this matter will be decidedly one-sided...

Case is an excellent school, and I would say its greatest strength is in clinical training due to being the only medical school in a large city with several large medical centers (UHCMC, Metro, and CCF). Concerns about the preclinical curriculum are certainly valid, but remember that how much you learn duing those years (and your performance on Step 1) depend more on your motivation and ability than your professors or small groups.

The pace of life in Cleveland is a lot slower than in the large East Coast cities, or, I'd imagine, Chicago. This is because Cleveland is an undesirable place to live due to the weather. The flipside of this is that there is no traffic, the cost of living is very low, and renting a house for $1200 a month or buying a condo or house is not unusual.

My impression of NW vs. Case for research, residency placement, and reputation is that they are very similar. Case is known for training primary-care physicians, with an emphasis on pediatrics due to the prestige of Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital. If you are interested in cardiology, cardiothoracic surgery, ortho, urology, anesthesia, psychiatry, or neurology, the Cleveland Clinic is where you'd want to do rotations. UH-Case Medical Center and MetroHealth are less famous, but are excellent sites for ortho, emergency, trauma surgery, and primary care/preventative health.

I would say that the two biggest factors in choosing a school should be 1) perceived happiness living in that location, and 2) perceived preparation for your intended specialty (if you have one). Good luck.
 
Hello,

I was recently admitted to both Case and Northwestern. Between the two, I am leaning towards Northwestern, but I wanted to hear what others might say out of curiosity's sake. How do the two compare in terms of quality of clinical training, research, and reputation? Any idea which one has better success with landing people into the more competitive residencies?

I haven't read the rest of the responses but I'll say this: If costs are equal (and even if they're not), avoid PBL like the plague. I'm not sure about NW, but I know that when I interviewed at Case they were transitioning to roughly having all of years 1 and 2 be PBL. I really liked Case otherwise, but PBL is ~ hell (we do 3 hours per week here and that's enough for me). So, if NW does more lecture and less PBL than Case, I'd go there.
 
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