case vs nyu

[Jia7]

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Hey everyone,

I have looked up threads on both schools and comparisons made in the past. However, the last one was in 2009 and I wanted to see student opinions on these schools now (especially if you have attended case or nyu). I calculated the expenses and the difference will not be that significant for me to only consider the costs. Specifically I want to know:

1. How is the clinical education? What you like or don't like about the program? Are there enough patients and enough diversity among patients?

for the students at Case -

2. How well does the PBL curriculum prepare you for the boards?

for students at NYU -

3. does the large student body affect your clinical education?

Thank you so much for your help!

 

[phungy]

I'm a D2 at NYUCD and have been going to clinic once a week since last September. Here are my observations:

1. Clinical education will beat almost any other. You're in NYC, you will see the broad spectrum of patients. The graduates I've talked to immediately worked in private practice without feeling the need to enhance their skills in GPR/AEGD.

Cons:
-some days you won't have enough clinic faculty
-the increase in PMV requirements to pass and to get an A

3. The large body doesn't affect the clinical education at all. You are divided among one of many GPDs (General Practice Directors) and you definitely won't have any issues with not having enough patients. As mentioned above, some days you may not have enough clinic faculty so you will be waiting awhile for signatures.

 

[Sephisabin]

The clinical education at NYU is excellent. You're broken up into 14 different group practices that each run as independent clinics. It's basically like being in a clinic of 50 people (25 D3s and 25 D4s).

 

[Tooth]

Hey everyone,

I have looked up threads on both schools and comparisons made in the past. However, the last one was in 2009 and I wanted to see student opinions on these schools now (especially if you have attended case or nyu). I calculated the expenses and the difference will not be that significant for me to only consider the costs. Specifically I want to know:

1. How is the clinical education? What you like or don't like about the program? Are there enough patients and enough diversity among patients?

for the students at Case -

2. How well does the PBL curriculum prepare you for the boards?

for students at NYU -

3. does the large student body affect your clinical education?

Thank you so much for your help!

NYU is in Manhattan!

Case is in Cleveland!

How in the world did you calculate the cost to "not be that significant"?

I calculated the cost to be over $100K more at NYU.

 

[Daurang]

NYC is a great city to spend your college years. But if it costs $100K more, take Case.

 

[DrReo]

NYU is in Manhattan!

Case is in Cleveland!

How in the world did you calculate the cost to "not be that significant"?

I calculated the cost to be over $100K more at NYU.

Why on earth would you double think Case? Pass fail, cheaper, and an excellent clinical experience (along with NYU- but worth 100k?)???

 

[Pennywisdom]

I heard that Case is no longer Pass/Fail. Is this true?

 

[Mackchops]

I've had an excellent clinical experience at NYU and loved spending four years living in NYC. As far as the size of the school I think it leads to a lot of red tape and hit or miss attempts to standardize our education, but there's something to be said for having so many more faculty to discuss patient care with! 4 out of 5 dentists recommend something because you can never get dentists to agree! At NYU we have something like 700 faculty who all really know their stuff...

I applied to Case but withdrew before my interview so I can't really say much about it. I heard you get your own chair and the receptionist does all the patient scheduling for you -- which could be good/bad when you're trying to hurry up that last RPD before graduating? Supposed to be a good school and since it's not NYU it'll be cheaper.

 

[picaso]

Why on earth would you double think Case? Pass fail, cheaper, and an excellent clinical experience (along with NYU- but worth 100k?)???

That's why you need to do your own research and not rely on posts on SDN.
Case is no longer Pass and Fail.

 

[Jia7]

Hi everyone,

thanks for responding! The reason I calculated it to be "not that significant" is because it will be about 40-50K over four years. The financial estimates show it to be 70K but if i don't spend as much as NYU estimates and if i own a car in cleveland, that 70 changes to less than 40K. So according to my family and friends who are better at calculating the loan repayment stuff, they said it would not be a huge difference in how much I am paying back each month. That being said, of course, cost IS a factor but i don't want it to be the only factor I use to pick case.

Case is no longer P/F as the boards are P/F and so they are going to start grading from this Fall. Case is in Cleveland and I should be thinking about the location as its four years and not a small amount of time that I will be spending in this place. I do love the small student size, having my own chair and seeing patients at the end of first semester part of it. However, I would love living in NYC and I did really like NYU when I visited. The facilities seem really nice and they have a lot of opportunities for community work or research (or anything since its a large institution it has more diversity in the opportunities). Students at both schools seem to love it and that makes it even harder to make a decision.

Any suggestions on what else I should be thinking about when making this decision?

Students at NYU - do you have to wait a while in clinics to get your work checked or do you have a lot of faculty available there?

Thanks again for all your help!

 

[Mackchops]

Students at NYU - do you have to wait a while in clinics to get your work checked or do you have a lot of faculty available there?

Thanks again for all your help!

There's something like 4-5 faculty for 40-50 students on any given general clinic day. Add a perio, pros, and/or endo and there's usually plenty of faculty. The popular faculty will have a line of students following them around and sometimes it can be frustrating waiting for one of the more "hands-on" faculty to come by and help you on a case. I haven't really had a problem and my patients are fine with it -- they know that they're at a school and treatment takes longer here than in private practice.

 

[Dental156]

Im a third year at Case. As for clinical experience, mine has been really good so far. I have a wide array of patients (not everyone feels this way, but i think it's because they aren't picky when they are admitting, see below) and now that the fourth years are out I have some pretty complex cases that have been transferred to me. The clinic is set-up in groups of about 15-19 students and each group has a doctor in charge. There are actually two doctors to each group one is there on mondays and wednesdays the other on tuesdays and thursdays and they switch every other friday. For any complex case you usually work with a specialist who is assigned to be on the floor on certain days of the week.
In my opinion there are plenty of patients, but you don't always get patients that have what you need. So lets say you are getting low on patients or you need to do some crowns then you go over to admitting and admit a patient, if they have what you need you can keep them if they don't you can give them away. The more you admit the more chances you have of getting exactly what you need.
The worst thing about clinic is all the paper work.

As for PBL, i dont' really remember it. I guess I didn't think it was that great. What was nice was all the independent study time that came along with it, time to do whatever you choose. I think the best thing about Case in regards to board prep is one of the science teachers. He is really smart and a great teacher and he does board study groups that are really helpful.